NY Jets HC-Robert Saleh

Originally posted by John_Candy:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. We've got 9 DL who 'can' bull rush and 1 pure speed rusher.

I was just talking about speed rushers needing to have another move to be successful consistently.

But yeah, Saleh 'big' fingerprints are all over this line.

Yup. It's 100% his philosophy.

If there's a critique of his (Ford's) game, I guess, it would probably be his work against the run. Given the other players you have at defensive end who can play the run pretty well, would it be more advantageous to keep Ford fresh second and third down situation?

"Always. The versatility of our defense up front, the whole design of it is so you can get big guys to play big downs when you've got 12, 13-personnel in there. When they get their speed group out there, we can get faster

This is not a DC who is going to have speedy ER's dictating an offense on 1st and 2nd downs.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by John_Candy:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. We've got 9 DL who 'can' bull rush and 1 pure speed rusher.

I was just talking about speed rushers needing to have another move to be successful consistently.

But yeah, Saleh 'big' fingerprints are all over this line.

Yup. It's 100% his philosophy.

If there's a critique of his (Ford's) game, I guess, it would probably be his work against the run. Given the other players you have at defensive end who can play the run pretty well, would it be more advantageous to keep Ford fresh second and third down situation?

"Always. The versatility of our defense up front, the whole design of it is so you can get big guys to play big downs when you've got 12, 13-personnel in there. When they get their speed group out there, we can get faster

This is not a DC who is going to have speedy ER's dictating an offense on 1st and 2nd downs.

I just find it really hard to believe that Kyle couldn't upgrade the defensive coordinator position in three years.

I'm really disappointed

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

I just find it really hard to believe that Kyle couldn't upgrade the defensive coordinator position in three years.

I'm really disappointed

Me too. I even understood giving him one more year...but damn, there were quite a few DC's available over the last three off seasons IIRC.

Now saleh has an excuse to having our defense in the lower tier.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by John_Candy:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. We've got 9 DL who 'can' bull rush and 1 pure speed rusher.

I was just talking about speed rushers needing to have another move to be successful consistently.

But yeah, Saleh 'big' fingerprints are all over this line.

Yup. It's 100% his philosophy.

If there's a critique of his (Ford's) game, I guess, it would probably be his work against the run. Given the other players you have at defensive end who can play the run pretty well, would it be more advantageous to keep Ford fresh second and third down situation?

"Always. The versatility of our defense up front, the whole design of it is so you can get big guys to play big downs when you've got 12, 13-personnel in there. When they get their speed group out there, we can get faster

This is not a DC who is going to have speedy ER's dictating an offense on 1st and 2nd downs.

I just find it really hard to believe that Kyle couldn't upgrade the defensive coordinator position in three years.

I'm really disappointed

Jeep, we did get two guys Kocurek and Woods , who are specialists of DL and DBs. Those were our holes. Saleh is a LB coach. Now we have all three levels of D covered. And both guys, are top notch. But by so doing, beefing up our D coaches, we also put on staff two guys who if things get rough and the D bellies up...either one can step in and assume the DC slot and we wont' miss a step.

Huge difference between THAT and having NOBODY here who could step up. So kyle covered our holes at DB and DL coaching plus put in place a safety valve should things go south. That's fair, it's smart and allows for a line of accession should poor D play occur. Our holes are covered and next man up is in place. You ever consider both guys K and W were brot in not just for their help where we are weak in coaching but also as a competition to see who is a better D coach?

Mike Pettine called a good game tonight. I hope Saleh makes me proud on Sunday. I have high hopes. U got all the horses now. No more excuses.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Mike Pettine called a good game tonight. I hope Saleh makes me proud on Sunday. I have high hopes. U got all the horses now. No more excuses.

He and Pagano were great

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by John_Candy:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. We've got 9 DL who 'can' bull rush and 1 pure speed rusher.

I was just talking about speed rushers needing to have another move to be successful consistently.

But yeah, Saleh 'big' fingerprints are all over this line.

Yup. It's 100% his philosophy.

If there's a critique of his (Ford's) game, I guess, it would probably be his work against the run. Given the other players you have at defensive end who can play the run pretty well, would it be more advantageous to keep Ford fresh second and third down situation?

"Always. The versatility of our defense up front, the whole design of it is so you can get big guys to play big downs when you've got 12, 13-personnel in there. When they get their speed group out there, we can get faster

This is not a DC who is going to have speedy ER's dictating an offense on 1st and 2nd downs.

I just find it really hard to believe that Kyle couldn't upgrade the defensive coordinator position in three years.

I'm really disappointed

Jeep, we did get two guys Kocurek and Woods , who are specialists of DL and DBs. Those were our holes. Saleh is a LB coach. Now we have all three levels of D covered. And both guys, are top notch. But by so doing, beefing up our D coaches, we also put on staff two guys who if things get rough and the D bellies up...either one can step in and assume the DC slot and we wont' miss a step.

Huge difference between THAT and having NOBODY here who could step up. So kyle covered our holes at DB and DL coaching plus put in place a safety valve should things go south. That's fair, it's smart and allows for a line of accession should poor D play occur. Our holes are covered and next man up is in place. You ever consider both guys K and W were brot in not just for their help where we are weak in coaching but also as a competition to see who is a better D coach?

Yes you are right, it seems like that is Kyle's plan.
Just was hoping Kyle would bring in an experienced DC. Let's hope the three of them combined can put together a good game plan for Tampa and going Fwd & do some reasonable in-game adjustments all year.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Mike Pettine called a good game tonight. I hope Saleh makes me proud on Sunday. I have high hopes. U got all the horses now. No more excuses.

Pettine and Trubisky did a great job limiting the bears offense. Real dynamic duo

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I know Saleh is allergic to pass rushers but is this guy any good?

Per source, Dolphins have released Nate Orchard, their top pass rusher. The Tank continues

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) September 3, 2019

Better than the preseason superhero that people lost their minds over.

Did they release Nate Orchard for injury or because of a cap space problem?

wait till another team signs him and NT would be like wtf!! why didn't we sign a future hall of famer?

True. The NT is like any other fan base in that regard. A bird in the Bush is worth two in the hand.

Originally posted by John_Candy:

Love this quote.

A speed rusher is always as good as his bull rush

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/127940-transcript-robert-discusses-buccaneers-jimmie-latest-alexander-verrett/

Personally, Charles Haley's biggest asset was his brain. The guy knew when to rush and when to read and react.

In my opinion, a speed rusher's only as good as the Defensive Tackle that plays next to him. That bodes well for Bosa and Ford because of Buckner.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by John_Candy:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. We've got 9 DL who 'can' bull rush and 1 pure speed rusher.

I was just talking about speed rushers needing to have another move to be successful consistently.

But yeah, Saleh 'big' fingerprints are all over this line.

Yup. It's 100% his philosophy.

If there's a critique of his (Ford's) game, I guess, it would probably be his work against the run. Given the other players you have at defensive end who can play the run pretty well, would it be more advantageous to keep Ford fresh second and third down situation?

"Always. The versatility of our defense up front, the whole design of it is so you can get big guys to play big downs when you've got 12, 13-personnel in there. When they get their speed group out there, we can get faster

This is not a DC who is going to have speedy ER's dictating an offense on 1st and 2nd downs.

Agree. It's a hodge podge of philosophies that aren't really well integrated. As I understood the Seifert/Carroll defense, it was the pass rushers that dictated the scheme, because it was a turnover based defensive philosophy - Saleh's philosophy seems to be all over the place, but seems to be centered on yardage, specifically run yardage. Which is fine, but it's not well integrated into a turnover based philsophy, and I think runs counter to the current pass happy NFL.

It's a passing league and you want to be strong against the pass on all four downs. Yet his defense' emphasis is a lot of DT's and only two legitimate pass rushers. Which is fine, legit pass rushers are hard to find, but he seems to be doing it BassAckwards - case in point - the wide 9. What a stupid formation to use on first and 10 or 3rd and short. You have good solid DT's that can stop the run and you split them out wide so that they can't stop the run. By the way, the same DT's aren't the best at stopping the pass either.

YOu just have to shake your head and hope talent trumps this stupid scheme of Saleh's. Oh well.

Originally posted by Giedi:

case in point - the wide 9. What a stupid formation to use on first and 10 or 3rd and short. You have good solid DT's that can stop the run and you split them out wide so that they can't stop the run.

The only change from our under front from the previous seasons to the base wide 9 for the interior defensive linemen is to the nose. He moves over a hair and plays over the weak guard's inside shoulder. Nothing changes for the 3t except he's on the strong side now.

I just finished reading Saleh's presser and this quote about Jimmy Ward caught my eye.
"You know, our performance staff, they do all these tests, he comes out above average in everything. It's been bad luck. I know, you're like, history repeats itself or whatever. The stuff that happens to him is bad luck. It really is bad luck, so something good is going to happen to him. He's a good man, so it's got to."
This is the same thing compulsive gamblers tell themselves. Just one more time, lucks got to change, but it never does.

Saleh needs to release the Cracken on the Bucs.