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49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread
49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread
Aug 28, 2021 at 1:55 AM
- ninerjok
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So as I've tried to be open minded about what it is Kyle's actually trying to accomplish I came up with basically two things. Let me preface it by saying he's not necessarily devising some outrageously genius thing with his version of the dual QB system. But what he's attempting to do is quite groundbreaking to say the least, especially if it's actually successful. First of all he's going way the hell outside the box at least with anything I can remember from the league the past 30 years or so. (Of course you could say this is about the same thing as what the Saints were doing the past few years but it's really not because Taysom Hill never did conventional QB things in that role.) So in my estimation he's basically just saying, f**k the way NFL teams have treated the QB position for the past 60 years or whatever. I'm going to look at this from a different perspective with a fresh set of eyes. IOW he's like, screw tradition I have 2 QBs who can both legitimately produce and I'm gonna try my own version of Frankenstein here. Of course he'll be walking a very fine line but if anyone can pull it off I really believe it's him. I sort of compare it to the Miami Dolphins when they started using the wildcat about 14 years ago because ironically they didn't have a starting QB worth s**t. Now the wildcat wasn't a new concept but at the time they achieved by far the most success with this specific formation package. Who knows, maybe the whole thing will blow up in Shanahan's face but maybe it will all be highly effective as well. I don't really see much downside because he can be very calculated and deliberate how he implements the "Shanaplan" dual QB system. The good thing is by the time opposing teams start to catch on how to really defend it he could be finished with this whole crazy experiment since Jimmy will probably be gone no later than next offseason.
Aug 28, 2021 at 7:45 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by ninerjok:
So as I've tried to be open minded about what it is Kyle's actually trying to accomplish I came up with basically two things. Let me preface it by saying he's not necessarily devising some outrageously genius thing with his version of the dual QB system. But what he's attempting to do is quite groundbreaking to say the least, especially if it's actually successful. First of all he's going way the hell outside the box at least with anything I can remember from the league the past 30 years or so. (Of course you could say this is about the same thing as what the Saints were doing the past few years but it's really not because Taysom Hill never did conventional QB things in that role.) So in my estimation he's basically just saying, f**k the way NFL teams have treated the QB position for the past 60 years or whatever. I'm going to look at this from a different perspective with a fresh set of eyes. IOW he's like, screw tradition I have 2 QBs who can both legitimately produce and I'm gonna try my own version of Frankenstein here. Of course he'll be walking a very fine line but if anyone can pull it off I really believe it's him. I sort of compare it to the Miami Dolphins when they started using the wildcat about 14 years ago because ironically they didn't have a starting QB worth s**t. Now the wildcat wasn't a new concept but at the time they achieved by far the most success with this specific formation package. Who knows, maybe the whole thing will blow up in Shanahan's face but maybe it will all be highly effective as well. I don't really see much downside because he can be very calculated and deliberate how he implements the "Shanaplan" dual QB system. The good thing is by the time opposing teams start to catch on how to really defend it he could be finished with this whole crazy experiment since Jimmy will probably be gone no later than next offseason.
I think you wrote all that just so you can say "Shanaplan". If it works, the strategy may spread and become a Shandemic.
Aug 28, 2021 at 7:51 AM
- qnnhan7
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Originally posted by thl408:
I think you wrote all that just so you can say "Shanaplan". If it works, the strategy may spread and become a Shandemic.
lol Delta Shanariant
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Aug 28, 2021 at 7:56 AM ]
Aug 28, 2021 at 8:10 AM
- ninerjok
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
So as I've tried to be open minded about what it is Kyle's actually trying to accomplish I came up with basically two things. Let me preface it by saying he's not necessarily devising some outrageously genius thing with his version of the dual QB system. But what he's attempting to do is quite groundbreaking to say the least, especially if it's actually successful. First of all he's going way the hell outside the box at least with anything I can remember from the league the past 30 years or so. (Of course you could say this is about the same thing as what the Saints were doing the past few years but it's really not because Taysom Hill never did conventional QB things in that role.) So in my estimation he's basically just saying, f**k the way NFL teams have treated the QB position for the past 60 years or whatever. I'm going to look at this from a different perspective with a fresh set of eyes. IOW he's like, screw tradition I have 2 QBs who can both legitimately produce and I'm gonna try my own version of Frankenstein here. Of course he'll be walking a very fine line but if anyone can pull it off I really believe it's him. I sort of compare it to the Miami Dolphins when they started using the wildcat about 14 years ago because ironically they didn't have a starting QB worth s**t. Now the wildcat wasn't a new concept but at the time they achieved by far the most success with this specific formation package. Who knows, maybe the whole thing will blow up in Shanahan's face but maybe it will all be highly effective as well. I don't really see much downside because he can be very calculated and deliberate how he implements the "Shanaplan" dual QB system. The good thing is by the time opposing teams start to catch on how to really defend it he could be finished with this whole crazy experiment since Jimmy will probably be gone no later than next offseason.
I think you wrote all that just so you can say "Shanaplan". If it works, the strategy may spread and become a Shandemic.
That is funny but I actually didn't mean to write an entire novel lol. The term Shanaplan didn't even cross my mind until I had written about 27 sentences or so. Other 49er fans had coined the term long before I ever used it. But you probably already knew that haha.
[ Edited by ninerjok on Aug 28, 2021 at 8:12 AM ]
Aug 28, 2021 at 9:49 AM
- 49er-from-Yavin-IV
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Originally posted by ninerjok:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
So as I've tried to be open minded about what it is Kyle's actually trying to accomplish I came up with basically two things. Let me preface it by saying he's not necessarily devising some outrageously genius thing with his version of the dual QB system. But what he's attempting to do is quite groundbreaking to say the least, especially if it's actually successful. First of all he's going way the hell outside the box at least with anything I can remember from the league the past 30 years or so. (Of course you could say this is about the same thing as what the Saints were doing the past few years but it's really not because Taysom Hill never did conventional QB things in that role.) So in my estimation he's basically just saying, f**k the way NFL teams have treated the QB position for the past 60 years or whatever. I'm going to look at this from a different perspective with a fresh set of eyes. IOW he's like, screw tradition I have 2 QBs who can both legitimately produce and I'm gonna try my own version of Frankenstein here. Of course he'll be walking a very fine line but if anyone can pull it off I really believe it's him. I sort of compare it to the Miami Dolphins when they started using the wildcat about 14 years ago because ironically they didn't have a starting QB worth s**t. Now the wildcat wasn't a new concept but at the time they achieved by far the most success with this specific formation package. Who knows, maybe the whole thing will blow up in Shanahan's face but maybe it will all be highly effective as well. I don't really see much downside because he can be very calculated and deliberate how he implements the "Shanaplan" dual QB system. The good thing is by the time opposing teams start to catch on how to really defend it he could be finished with this whole crazy experiment since Jimmy will probably be gone no later than next offseason.
I think you wrote all that just so you can say "Shanaplan". If it works, the strategy may spread and become a Shandemic.
That is funny but I actually didn't mean to write an entire novel lol. The term Shanaplan didn't even cross my mind until I had written about 27 sentences or so. Other 49er fans had coined the term long before I ever used it. But you probably already knew that haha.
Shansplaining
Aug 28, 2021 at 10:03 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by grapesofrathman:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by JTB1974:that's what Kyle said also,.. about Kyle giving Cohn stuff to spin so he is able to get clicks lol
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Kyle just owned Cohn lol
Didn't see it but I am sure whatever it was, Cohn will spin it like he got under Kyle's skin and made him lose his cool.
interview was live on youtube
Oooooo, someone needs to find this NAO!
@5:05
Question: "What do you gain by not naming the starting QB?"
Kyle was playfully saying that not naming the starting QB gets the reporters more clicks. That's how I interpreted it.
I wish Kyle would have winked at Grant after saying that line.
I didn't see Kyle doing any owning of anyone. He simply answered Cohn's question. And at the end, he simply said that he will try to get you guys more clicks.
[ Edited by Joecool on Aug 28, 2021 at 10:03 AM ]
Aug 28, 2021 at 4:30 PM
- pasodoc9er
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I think the bizarre practice with the rapid fire changing Jimmy with the 1s, and Trey with the 2s, then next series vice versa and JG with the 2s, playing the 1s (D). That was some of the weirdest stuff yet that kyle has messed with, but i don't think it was just to see how it worked out…altho that was good info to know….how JG worked with #2s and how Trey worked with #1s. It also helped both the #1 D and #2 D , seeing totally different talented QBs, almost back to back. It tended to make the both DLines sharper.
There were 2 other reasons kyle did that, I believe. One was to get the OLs accustomed to working with JG and his cadence then virtually next play working with Trey and his cadence. Much of what kyle did was acclimate the OL to both QBs.
Reason 2 was to really screw with opponents HCs & DCs, . They are all now well aware now that not only can Trey come in on a moment's notice, but the OL is ready for him and runs smoothly. As Jonnydel has pointed out several times, don't be surprised to see inside the 10 yd line, 3rd down and 4, to see Trey slide in and RPO and the D has no idea is the Pass or Run. A true RPO.
There won't be a DC out there that isn't aware of Trey possibly being on the field on a "must have" 3rd and 4 from our own 45. Just makes their preparation for their 9er game that much more difficult. Advantage kyle.
There were 2 other reasons kyle did that, I believe. One was to get the OLs accustomed to working with JG and his cadence then virtually next play working with Trey and his cadence. Much of what kyle did was acclimate the OL to both QBs.
Reason 2 was to really screw with opponents HCs & DCs, . They are all now well aware now that not only can Trey come in on a moment's notice, but the OL is ready for him and runs smoothly. As Jonnydel has pointed out several times, don't be surprised to see inside the 10 yd line, 3rd down and 4, to see Trey slide in and RPO and the D has no idea is the Pass or Run. A true RPO.
There won't be a DC out there that isn't aware of Trey possibly being on the field on a "must have" 3rd and 4 from our own 45. Just makes their preparation for their 9er game that much more difficult. Advantage kyle.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Aug 28, 2021 at 4:36 PM ]
Aug 29, 2021 at 5:46 PM
- pasodoc9er
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I think the bizarre practice with the rapid fire changing Jimmy with the 1s, and Trey with the 2s, then next series vice versa and JG with the 2s, playing the 1s (D). That was some of the weirdest stuff yet that kyle has messed with, but i don't think it was just to see how it worked out…altho that was good info to know….how JG worked with #2s and how Trey worked with #1s. It also helped both the #1 D and #2 D , seeing totally different talented QBs, almost back to back. It tended to make the both DLines sharper.
There were 2 other reasons kyle did that, I believe. One was to get the OLs accustomed to working with JG and his cadence then virtually next play working with Trey and his cadence. Much of what kyle did was acclimate the OL to both QBs.
Reason 2 was to really screw with opponents HCs & DCs, . They are all now well aware now that not only can Trey come in on a moment's notice, but the OL is ready for him and runs smoothly. As Jonnydel has pointed out several times, don't be surprised to see inside the 10 yd line, 3rd down and 4, to see Trey slide in and RPO and the D has no idea is the Pass or Run. A true RPO.
There won't be a DC out there that isn't aware of Trey possibly being on the field on a "must have" 3rd and 4 from our own 45. Just makes their preparation for their 9er game that much more difficult. Advantage kyle.
Bump…that post was from yesterday. I did miss on JG running it in from in close for a TD.
Aug 29, 2021 at 5:50 PM
- JTB1974
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LOL Kyle is still not declaring a starter for week 1. I guess it's smaret, Why gives the Lions any time to gameplan. Even though there is a 99.9% chance Jimmy starts.
[ Edited by JTB1974 on Aug 29, 2021 at 5:51 PM ]
Aug 29, 2021 at 7:28 PM
- thl408
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Originally posted by JTB1974:
LOL Kyle is still not declaring a starter for week 1. I guess it's smaret, Why gives the Lions any time to gameplan. Even though there is a 99.9% chance Jimmy starts.
It doesn't really matter who starts. Just matters how the snaps are divided up and whether it works. Can't wait to see how Kyle is trying to envision this.
Aug 29, 2021 at 7:32 PM
- Sanfran_chrisco
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
LOL Kyle is still not declaring a starter for week 1. I guess it's smaret, Why gives the Lions any time to gameplan. Even though there is a 99.9% chance Jimmy starts.
It doesn't really matter who starts. Just matters how the snaps are divided up and whether it works. Can't wait to see how Kyle is trying to envision this.
film breakdown gonna be fun this season yea?
Aug 29, 2021 at 8:26 PM
- grapesofrathman
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
LOL Kyle is still not declaring a starter for week 1. I guess it's smaret, Why gives the Lions any time to gameplan. Even though there is a 99.9% chance Jimmy starts.
It doesn't really matter who starts. Just matters how the snaps are divided up and whether it works. Can't wait to see how Kyle is trying to envision this.
First play of scrimmage: T-Formation, Sudfeld under Center, Sanu directly behind, Lance left of Sanu, Garoppolo right of Sanu
Aug 30, 2021 at 6:43 AM
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Originally posted by grapesofrathman:
First play of scrimmage: T-Formation, Sudfeld under Center, Sanu directly behind, Lance left of Sanu, Garoppolo right of Sanu
Then what happens?
[ Edited by WestCoastForever on Aug 30, 2021 at 6:45 AM ]
Aug 30, 2021 at 7:24 AM
- a49erfan77
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Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by grapesofrathman:
First play of scrimmage: T-Formation, Sudfeld under Center, Sanu directly behind, Lance left of Sanu, Garoppolo right of Sanu
Then what happens?
Sudfeld fumbles the snap and the defense recovers. All three QBs tear their ACLs scrambling for the loose ball.
Aug 30, 2021 at 8:12 AM
- grapesofrathman
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Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by grapesofrathman:
First play of scrimmage: T-Formation, Sudfeld under Center, Sanu directly behind, Lance left of Sanu, Garoppolo right of Sanu
Then what happens?
Sudfeld fumbles the snap and the defense recovers. All three QBs tear their ACLs scrambling for the loose ball.
And Grant Cohn lives happily ever after