Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Our run-game only works well when the defense isn't expecting it or gets fooled. It's broken, if it weren't, then we wouldn't have so much difficulty in short yardage. We average the most on 1st downs but fall hard after that. There is a reason and it is because we don't have RB's who fall forward on contact.

There's also a reason why Kyle keeps looking for the next RB. We won't go all the way with the RBs we have.

Just because we have struggled in short yardage run situations does not mean the run game is broken.

We went from 21st in 2017 to 13th last year. All without our FQB for the most part and with a collection of 3rd, 4th and 5th string backs having to share some load because Brieda was playing with a bum wheel.

You are confusing what you want with what we need. You have made it clear you desire a workhorse yet Kyle's offense and the Shanahan run scheme has proven over the years it can produce without one.

The team ranked 4th in 2016 but I don't care if the tram ranks that high again as ling as the offense is top 10 overall.

We underwent a scheme change when Kyle came in. That can take some time to get going but we have already seen improvement and we are all familiar with it's proven track record of success, our run game is not broken.

The Coleman injury sucks, but knowing we have a plug and play system makes that pill a tad easier to swallow. Brieda should see a heavy dose of carries and Mostert and Wilson can help shoulder the load until we get Tevin back.
I hate how stubborn KS is being about going outside the organization to get an upgrade at WR. I have complete faith in Deebo living up to his potential, but not during his rookie season.

It seems like we were willing to almost go all in for Beckham Jr, so why stop there? Offer up our 2020 first around the league and see who bites. If that's too pricey, then maybe try your hand at AJ Green now that he's getting closer to playing. Or how about a reciever like DeVante Parker, since Miami is a train wreck and will be selling off pieces soon.

Goodwin shouldn't be starting for any team in this league who is trying to contend. He should only be used similar to how New England uses Dorsett.
Originally posted by Nastastical:
I hate how stubborn KS is being about going outside the organization to get an upgrade at WR. I have complete faith in Deebo living up to his potential, but not during his rookie season.

It seems like we were willing to almost go all in for Beckham Jr, so why stop there? Offer up our 2020 first around the league and see who bites. If that's too pricey, then maybe try your hand at AJ Green now that he's getting closer to playing. Or how about a reciever like DeVante Parker, since Miami is a train wreck and will be selling off pieces soon.

Goodwin shouldn't be starting for any team in this league who is trying to contend. He should only be used similar to how New England uses Dorsett.

after seeing Tyrell Williams on the f**kin Raiders, I'm just like..........

Amazing how much better Carr looks now with some weapons. Jimmy G is gonna have a tough time this year, unless these young guys step up.
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
I hate how stubborn KS is being about going outside the organization to get an upgrade at WR. I have complete faith in Deebo living up to his potential, but not during his rookie season.

It seems like we were willing to almost go all in for Beckham Jr, so why stop there? Offer up our 2020 first around the league and see who bites. If that's too pricey, then maybe try your hand at AJ Green now that he's getting closer to playing. Or how about a reciever like DeVante Parker, since Miami is a train wreck and will be selling off pieces soon.

Goodwin shouldn't be starting for any team in this league who is trying to contend. He should only be used similar to how New England uses Dorsett.

after seeing Tyrell Williams on the f**kin Raiders, I'm just like..........

Amazing how much better Carr looks now with some weapons. Jimmy G is gonna have a tough time this year, unless these young guys step up.

there is nothing wrong with our wr group. this offseason, i hope they don't touch the wrs and just invest on the OL.

In '17 Jimmy rolled with Goodwin, Louis Murphy, Aldrick Robinson and rookies Taylor, Kittle & Bourne and he did just fine.
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Yeah our WRs are cool...Deebo and Hurd gonna be real good by the end of the season (need more reps).

Having said that, I really hoped we would've taken a look at Tyrell Williams and/or Deseasn Jackson in the off season.
Originally posted by LVJay:
Yeah our WRs are cool...Deebo and Hurd gonna be real good by the end of the season (need more reps).

Having said that, I really hoped we would've taken a look at Tyrell Williams and/or Deseasn Jackson in the off season.

Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Our run-game only works well when the defense isn't expecting it or gets fooled. It's broken, if it weren't, then we wouldn't have so much difficulty in short yardage. We average the most on 1st downs but fall hard after that. There is a reason and it is because we don't have RB's who fall forward on contact.

There's also a reason why Kyle keeps looking for the next RB. We won't go all the way with the RBs we have.

Just because we have struggled in short yardage run situations does not mean the run game is broken.

We went from 21st in 2017 to 13th last year. All without our FQB for the most part and with a collection of 3rd, 4th and 5th string backs having to share some load because Brieda was playing with a bum wheel.

You are confusing what you want with what we need. You have made it clear you desire a workhorse yet Kyle's offense and the Shanahan run scheme has proven over the years it can produce without one.

The team ranked 4th in 2016 but I don't care if the tram ranks that high again as ling as the offense is top 10 overall.

We underwent a scheme change when Kyle came in. That can take some time to get going but we have already seen improvement and we are all familiar with it's proven track record of success, our run game is not broken.

The Coleman injury sucks, but knowing we have a plug and play system makes that pill a tad easier to swallow. Brieda should see a heavy dose of carries and Mostert and Wilson can help shoulder the load until we get Tevin back.

Are these short yardage rankings? What I want is to be able to get 3 yards when we need 3 damn yards. There's a reason why our RBs aren't up there in TDS. Kyle prefers finesse in the red zone and short yardage.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
I hate how stubborn KS is being about going outside the organization to get an upgrade at WR. I have complete faith in Deebo living up to his potential, but not during his rookie season.

It seems like we were willing to almost go all in for Beckham Jr, so why stop there? Offer up our 2020 first around the league and see who bites. If that's too pricey, then maybe try your hand at AJ Green now that he's getting closer to playing. Or how about a reciever like DeVante Parker, since Miami is a train wreck and will be selling off pieces soon.

Goodwin shouldn't be starting for any team in this league who is trying to contend. He should only be used similar to how New England uses Dorsett.

after seeing Tyrell Williams on the f**kin Raiders, I'm just like..........

Amazing how much better Carr looks now with some weapons. Jimmy G is gonna have a tough time this year, unless these young guys step up.

there is nothing wrong with our wr group. this offseason, i hope they don't touch the wrs and just invest on the OL.

In '17 Jimmy rolled with Goodwin, Louis Murphy, Aldrick Robinson and rookies Taylor, Kittle & Bourne and he did just fine.

You are right.

OL must be our priority at next years draft and in buy ups. There is a serious lack of depth
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Our run-game only works well when the defense isn't expecting it or gets fooled. It's broken, if it weren't, then we wouldn't have so much difficulty in short yardage. We average the most on 1st downs but fall hard after that. There is a reason and it is because we don't have RB's who fall forward on contact.

There's also a reason why Kyle keeps looking for the next RB. We won't go all the way with the RBs we have.

Just because we have struggled in short yardage run situations does not mean the run game is broken.

We went from 21st in 2017 to 13th last year. All without our FQB for the most part and with a collection of 3rd, 4th and 5th string backs having to share some load because Brieda was playing with a bum wheel.

You are confusing what you want with what we need. You have made it clear you desire a workhorse yet Kyle's offense and the Shanahan run scheme has proven over the years it can produce without one.

The team ranked 4th in 2016 but I don't care if the tram ranks that high again as ling as the offense is top 10 overall.

We underwent a scheme change when Kyle came in. That can take some time to get going but we have already seen improvement and we are all familiar with it's proven track record of success, our run game is not broken.

The Coleman injury sucks, but knowing we have a plug and play system makes that pill a tad easier to swallow. Brieda should see a heavy dose of carries and Mostert and Wilson can help shoulder the load until we get Tevin back.

Are these short yardage rankings? What I want is to be able to get 3 yards when we need 3 damn yards. There's a reason why our RBs aren't up there in TDS. Kyle prefers finesse in the red zone and short yardage.

The reason we struggle in short yardage is because we don't have a bruiser of a back. Coleman and breida are both made of glass and juice is too slow. Wilson jr should help out a lot getting those 3rd and 4th and short done.
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
there is nothing wrong with our wr group. this offseason, i hope they don't touch the wrs and just invest on the OL.

In '17 Jimmy rolled with Goodwin, Louis Murphy, Aldrick Robinson and rookies Taylor, Kittle & Bourne and he did just fine.

Originally posted by LVJay:
Yeah our WRs are cool...Deebo and Hurd gonna be real good by the end of the season (need more reps).

Having said that, I really hoped we would've taken a look at Tyrell Williams and/or Deseasn Jackson in the off season.

Agree, our WRs are fine, they just need to get acclimated to the NFL and step it up. Kyle doesnt have a short yardage ground gainer specialist, because he'll throw in those short yardage situations. That's the typical WCO philosophy right there.

So I think we have the horses to run Kyle's ground game because Brieda and Mostert have the hands to catch a flair out or wheel rout pass.

But I do agree that ShanaLynch needs to either draft some interior OLinemen or develop the youngsters they have on the roster. I prefer the latter.

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Are these short yardage rankings? What I want is to be able to get 3 yards when we need 3 damn yards. There's a reason why our RBs aren't up there in TDS. Kyle prefers finesse in the red zone and short yardage.

Freeman had 11 TD's in each 2015 and 2016 seasons, while TC had 8 in 2016 with Kyle as OC in Atlanta. He has proven he can score with his scheme in the RZ by running.

This offense is not quite there yet.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by WildBill:
In the end the players need to play and execute. Jus causing the pass interference on the Kittle TD was his and not Shanny, he is a vet knows the rules, same with Mike Mc who lined up off the line to cause an illegal formation. That's on the player.

Yeah, it sounds like Kyle thought the same after the game. He said the penalties and miscues made the score much closer than it should.

Considering how this offense was in the first game, I'm really looking forward to mid and late season and how the offense will be at that point. Barring injuries, I think this offense is explosive - for example the Richie TD and the Mostert TD called back. *knock on wood* if everybody stays reasonably healthy, I can see this offense getting really good and possibly getting as efficient and explosive as some of our previous super bowl teams. Once Taylor, Hurd, and the others get healthy and start playing - it's going to be exciting to see some fireworks later in the year.

Must learn on the D for a few games until then. And the defense must be more consistent and discipline.

Meanwhile, the most glaring on offense is penalties, and to me 3rd&short needs a lot of work

I agree. 3rd and short, and redzone. Although I think two redzone td's were called back. Defense is going to be ahead of the offense in general the first two or three weeks. Once that synchronicity kicks in, then the offense should start clicking and the defense can coast after a possible 14 point head start in the 2nd half (for example).

The wide 9 is a weakness against run oriented teams. I just hope the Bungles aren't a ball control run oriented offense. IF so, that Wide 9 will be a big liability in the Bungles game. Key to use the wide 9 is have a good offense that gets a jump on the other team, then you can coast using wide 9 against a one dimensional passing team that's been forced to be one dimensional because of Kyle's offense.

You have mentioned several times the wide 9s being used later in game when we are up by 14 pts and other team is just throwing it. I couldn't agree more, and against a team that runs the ball, say 50/50, wide 9s appear to be disaster on runs , esp up the gut....but a heckuva tool for passrush.

Wonder if Saleh /kyle will ultimately use it for PR and NOT early in games when teams are running to set up the passing game later?
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
after seeing Tyrell Williams on the f**kin Raiders, I'm just like..........

Amazing how much better Carr looks now with some weapons. Jimmy G is gonna have a tough time this year, unless these young guys step up.

Dude, Derek Carr has had a ton of weapons in every season except for his rookie year. Amari Cooper takes a fat dump on Tyrell Williams as a WR. His success on Monday is better attributed to him regaining his confidence in himself and his OL coupled with a great gameplan by Jon Gruden.

Before we worry about the WRs, we should be concerned with the fact that they're running wide open, and the QB is struggling to consistently get them the ball.
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
You have mentioned several times the wide 9s being used later in game when we are up by 14 pts and other team is just throwing it. I couldn't agree more, and against a team that runs the ball, say 50/50, wide 9s appear to be disaster on runs , esp up the gut....but a heckuva tool for passrush.

Wonder if Saleh /kyle will ultimately use it for PR and NOT early in games when teams are running to set up the passing game later?

One way to cure some of the Wide 9 weaknesses is to put the LB's on the line of scrimmage to plug those wide splits - at the beginning and then drop the LB"s into coverage. I've seen Saleh do that in the first quarter of the pre-season games and in the regular season. Another is simply to invite the run and - overload the run, on a run blitz, but if you guess wrong on the blitz, it's a big gainer. Another is to pinch the DLine and/or Slant the DLine - there are various ways to fix the run weakness of the wide 9, but they are all unsound from a balance point of view.

Having said that, if Kyle's offense can get untracked and score first - I wouldn't hesitate to employ the Wide 9 right away, specially on passing yardage and in their own part of the field. In other words, if Saleh can give the ball back to the offense and Kyle gets up 14 points on the opposition, I don't mind having the wide 9 the rest of the game.
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by LVJay:
Yeah our WRs are cool...Deebo and Hurd gonna be real good by the end of the season (need more reps).

Having said that, I really hoped we would've taken a look at Tyrell Williams and/or Deseasn Jackson in the off season.


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