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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Doing it by opponents, I see 10 or 11:


W Bucs...turmoil, no QB,

W Bengals ..no way kyle loses to Bengals.

L. Steelers , but maybe a tossup. Lost RB, WR, and got new RB. . Ben can't last forever. Later in season we win. Now, i think Steelers.

W. Browns...no way we lose to Browns. We're better at WR, TEs, RB, QB, DL. LBs. OTs/

L. Rams...we are way better than last yr. and Rams lost 2 starter OLs. Gurley hurt and ?? We are still getting acquainted but lose first game to rams, win the 2nd.

W. Redskins...out coach them and have better RB, WRs, DL, QB, OTs, TEs, . Kyle knows their playbook, both O and D.

W Panthers...not impressed with Cam who has new throwing motion. We outcoach them on O, they do same on D. We win but barely.

W. CArds..we beat Cards twice. Not a fan of KK and his 25-35 W/L in college. Mahommes was talent, not KK. Cards are a messed up franchise. All stars are old or near retirement.

L. SEA. We lose there, win here....but dont beat them twice. Last yr broke the jinx up there...and we STILL got Bosa. Thank you AZ...and esp KK.

W. CArds...how many ways can i say i am not a fan of Murray. We outcoach them, Like us two yrs ago, they got holes everywhere. Signing murray messed them up. Shoulda taken Q.

L. Packers...toss up game . Our D has had time to play together, but ARodgers beats us. D needs more time together. Same for OL. LBs, WR, TEs, all better, Prob a loss but ???

W. Ravens...new QB, older team, not sold on Lamar, and sure don't like their OC...Roman.. Good luck Ravens....We outcoach them big time on O. On D, Harbaw outcoaches us.

L. Saints. This late w are ready for them but they almost won trip to SB last yr. Really should have gone. They are experienced, and better.

W. Falcons... we outcoach them for starters, and i like our QB better. Kyle knows the O and D playbook..They still have studs at WR, good running game, but we win in a squeaker.

W. Rams...thi is our 2nd game against them and kyle outcoaches McVay. Our OL surprises and equals theirs, minus two starters. They have a better DC.

W...SEA. Not sure which game is where, but we win here, lose there. RW is great but they lost a ton of players. Plus we split last yr with no team.. 19 guys on IR. Not this yr tho.

So, splits with SEA and Rams, loss to Saints, ARodgers, maybe loss to Steelers, and possible loss to either Skins or Panthers. That gives us 5 to 6 Ls.

If team has 1/3 of players on IR, then we dont win 50%. If jimmyG goes down, then Mullie gets us 9 Ws.

Healthy, mostly....we win 10, maybe 11..

Who do we have that's better than Landry and Beckham
Should have clarified that.. true they got Beckham and Landry.

But we got:

Deebo

Hurd

Brieda

Kittle

Au Jus

Jet

Now Coleman.

And all the above can play WR/RB/TE. As a group, we got a lot of great receivers who can play out of kyle's 3 positions.

Add in TT, maybe , and add Marquis . Perttis, and Toilolo and you are talking about serious receivers, 6 of which can line up anywhere, block anywhere, run the ball , or catch the ball.

Makes our passing game way better than theirs. However, i should have said "RECEIVERS" , not WRs.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Jun 26, 2019 at 5:05 PM ]
Originally posted by BMoore56:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Doing it by opponents, I see 10 or 11:

W Bucs...turmoil, no QB,

W Bengals ..no way kyle loses to Bengals.

L. Steelers , but maybe a tossup. Lost RB, WR, and got new RB. . Ben can't last forever. Later in season we win. Now, i think Steelers.

W. Browns...no way we lose to Browns. We're better at WR, TEs, RB, QB, DL. LBs. OTs/

L. Rams...we are way better than last yr. and Rams lost 2 starter OLs. Gurley hurt and ?? We are still getting acquainted but lose first game to rams, win the 2nd.

W. Redskins...out coach them and have better RB, WRs, DL, QB, OTs, TEs, . Kyle knows their playbook, both O and D.

W Panthers...not impressed with Cam who has new throwing motion. We outcoach them on O, they do same on D. We win but barely.

W. CArds..we beat Cards twice. Not a fan of KK and his 25-35 W/L in college. Mahommes was talent, not KK. Cards are a messed up franchise. All stars are old or near retirement.

L. SEA. We lose there, win here....but dont beat them twice. Last yr broke the jinx up there...and we STILL got Bosa. Thank you AZ...and esp KK.

W. CArds...how many ways can i say i am not a fan of Murray. We outcoach them, Like us two yrs ago, they got holes everywhere. Signing murray messed them up. Shoulda taken Q.

L. Packers...toss up game . Our D has had time to play together, but ARodgers beats us. D needs more time together. Same for OL. LBs, WR, TEs, all better, Prob a loss but ???

W. Ravens...new QB, older team, not sold on Lamar, and sure don't like their OC...Roman.. Good luck Ravens....We outcoach them big time on O. On D, Harbaw outcoaches us.

L. Saints. This late w are ready for them but they almost won trip to SB last yr. Really should have gone. They are experienced, and better.

W. Falcons... we outcoach them for starters, and i like our QB better. Kyle knows the O and D playbook..They still have studs at WR, good running game, but we win in a squeaker.

W. Rams...thi is our 2nd game against them and kyle outcoaches McVay. Our OL surprises and equals theirs, minus two starters. They have a better DC.

W...SEA. Not sure which game is where, but we win here, lose there. RW is great but they lost a ton of players. Plus we split last yr with no team.. 19 guys on IR. Not this yr tho.

So, splits with SEA and Rams, loss to Saints, ARodgers, maybe loss to Steelers, and possible loss to either Skins or Panthers. That gives us 5 to 6 Ls.

If team has 1/3 of players on IR, then we dont win 50%. If jimmyG goes down, then Mullie gets us 9 Ws.

Healthy, mostly....we win 10, maybe 11..

Who do we have that's better than Landry and Beckham

Beckham will have injured himself before we face em.
Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
To put it succinctly, Kyle is building a more balanced team. Offense, defense, ST. Running and passing. It tries to be varied and all encompassed to deal with different defensive fronts.

Harbaugh piggy back on a power run game and a strong Fangio defense. Passing game rudimentary and stale, when defense put 10 in the box to force out his passing game. It became predictable after a year or 2.

There were many times during Harbaugh's game where we couldn't run the ball. He can run the ball to setup the pass, but couldn't pass the ball to setup the run. He could attack vertically with guys like Vernon, Ginn, Moss. But very limited attack in spacing horizontally.

I see Kyle's offense able to setup, run to pass, pass to run, vertical and horizontal.

We're in good hands with Kyle

Like all fans I loved the Harbaugh era for the win's and excitement but too many times I would find myself with the dreaded feeling that we were going to let games slip away. While my memory may be skewed it seems that just about every time that we actually NEEDED the D to step up at the end of the game that they didn't and let the other team move right down the field. Perhaps it was all the terrible years and the expectation of failure but that's just how it felt at the time. An impending doom that we were going to blow it. Ultimately it proved to be true, against the Seahawks over and over (Sweet Jesus how do you not let Gore touch the ball and go for 3 straight passes on 1st & goal at the 7 yard line?!) or against the Ravens in the Superbowl where we sent the players kids out to play the first half before they turned off the lights and switched jersey's to play in the second. I want a more balanced team that gives hope that they can always make it happen not one where I'm waiting for them to fail.

Harbaugh's plodding and predictable offensive philosophy has a limited shelf life, maybe 3 years. It doesn't mean you can't win with it. But it's a narrow and limited opportunity.

After 3 years in Michigan, he is now turning over the offense to his new OC to do as he will. Which tells me he finally accepted and realized his offense is stale and there are guys smarter than him to slice and dice.

He came into the Niners in 2011, and by 2013 showed signs of staleness. By 2014, it's full blown predictable. At some point, in that 3rd year, the other team will run circles around his plodding offense, like Michigan vs Ohio State.

Being 10-14 pts down is like watching a team scratch and claw, hoping the other team don't score again to put down the death nail. 3rd & 13 seems an impossibility to convert.

With Walsh WCO and Kyle's offense, 3rd&13 has a better chance of converting with a 15yds pass. And being 14pts down doesn't seemed like a death nail. Watching Kyle's offense brings me back to the Walsh era.

I guess some fans have only Harbaugh's offense as a winning reference to hold a comparison. But if you are one of the older fans, the difference is night and day between Kyle's neo WCO and Harbaugh's.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Jun 27, 2019 at 6:50 AM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Harbaugh's plodding and predictable offensive philosophy has a limited shelf life, maybe 3 years. It doesn't mean you can't win with it. But it's a narrow and limited opportunity.

After 3 years in Michigan, he is now turning over the offense to his new OC to do as he will. Which tells me he finally accepted and realized his offense is stale and there are guys smarter than him to slice and dice.

He came into the Niners in 2011, and by 2013 showed signs of staleness. By 2014, it's full blown predictable. At some point, in that 3rd year, the other team will run circles around his plodding offense, like Michigan vs Ohio State.

Being 10-14 pts down is like watching a team scratch and claw, hoping the other team don't score again to put down the death nail. 3rd & 13 seems an impossibility to convert.

With Walsh WCO and Kyle's offense, 3rd&13 has a better chance of converting with a 15yds pass. And being 14pts down doesn't seemed like a death nail. Watching Kyle's offense brings me back to the Walsh era.

I guess some fans have only Harbaugh's offense as a winning reference to hold a comparison. But if you are one of the older fans, the difference is night and day between Kyle's neo WCO and Harbaugh's.

This is the understatement of the year!

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[ Edited by WestCoastForever on Jun 27, 2019 at 7:01 AM ]
Originally posted by Giedi:
I wonder what BeatHard is doing? If he's not fighting for his job, well, he might not have a job.

I love Jimmy's work ethic though.

Samuel shared his first impressions of Jimmy Garoppolo. "Great. He's looking pretty good. Even though the vets are gone, he's here every day and all day, even during rehab. His daily routine before practice is the same; he gets the guys going.
https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/6/20/18693140/deebo-samuel-on-jimmy-garoppolos-work-ethic-even-though-the-vets-are-gone-hes-still-here-all-day
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Good stuff to read there
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
To put it succinctly, Kyle is building a more balanced team. Offense, defense, ST. Running and passing. It tries to be varied and all encompassed to deal with different defensive fronts.

Harbaugh piggy back on a power run game and a strong Fangio defense. Passing game rudimentary and stale, when defense put 10 in the box to force out his passing game. It became predictable after a year or 2.

There were many times during Harbaugh's game where we couldn't run the ball. He can run the ball to setup the pass, but couldn't pass the ball to setup the run. He could attack vertically with guys like Vernon, Ginn, Moss. But very limited attack in spacing horizontally.

I see Kyle's offense able to setup, run to pass, pass to run, vertical and horizontal.

We're in good hands with Kyle

Like all fans I loved the Harbaugh era for the win's and excitement but too many times I would find myself with the dreaded feeling that we were going to let games slip away. While my memory may be skewed it seems that just about every time that we actually NEEDED the D to step up at the end of the game that they didn't and let the other team move right down the field. Perhaps it was all the terrible years and the expectation of failure but that's just how it felt at the time. An impending doom that we were going to blow it. Ultimately it proved to be true, against the Seahawks over and over (Sweet Jesus how do you not let Gore touch the ball and go for 3 straight passes on 1st & goal at the 7 yard line?!) or against the Ravens in the Superbowl where we sent the players kids out to play the first half before they turned off the lights and switched jersey's to play in the second. I want a more balanced team that gives hope that they can always make it happen not one where I'm waiting for them to fail.

Harbaugh's plodding and predictable offensive philosophy has a limited shelf life, maybe 3 years. It doesn't mean you can't win with it. But it's a narrow and limited opportunity.

After 3 years in Michigan, he is now turning over the offense to his new OC to do as he will. Which tells me he finally accepted and realized his offense is stale and there are guys smarter than him to slice and dice.

He came into the Niners in 2011, and by 2013 showed signs of staleness. By 2014, it's full blown predictable. At some point, in that 3rd year, the other team will run circles around his plodding offense, like Michigan vs Ohio State.

Being 10-14 pts down is like watching a team scratch and claw, hoping the other team don't score again to put down the death nail. 3rd & 13 seems an impossibility to convert.

With Walsh WCO and Kyle's offense, 3rd&13 has a better chance of converting with a 15yds pass. And being 14pts down doesn't seemed like a death nail. Watching Kyle's offense brings me back to the Walsh era.

I guess some fans have only Harbaugh's offense as a winning reference to hold a comparison. But if you are one of the older fans, the difference is night and day between Kyle's neo WCO and Harbaugh's.


I remember telling Michigan fans when they hired Harbaugh not to get too excited because his act gets tired even if it works much better in college where most players are out in 3-4 years. They blasted me saying I was just bitter that he wasn't coaching the 9ers anymore.

Many of them have apologized to me by now.

I kind of want to see him back in the NFL to show how what happened here was a perfect recipe for success and Harbaugh while a good coach for the right team isn't some Walsh/Belichick type or even a Shanahan type.
Browns are good. They are one of the better odds to win it all according to Vegas. Good offese and a good young defese. They can be elite on both sides of the ball. And Mullens aint.getting us 9 wins lol. I like the optimism though.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Harbaugh's plodding and predictable offensive philosophy has a limited shelf life, maybe 3 years. It doesn't mean you can't win with it. But it's a narrow and limited opportunity.

After 3 years in Michigan, he is now turning over the offense to his new OC to do as he will. Which tells me he finally accepted and realized his offense is stale and there are guys smarter than him to slice and dice.

He came into the Niners in 2011, and by 2013 showed signs of staleness. By 2014, it's full blown predictable. At some point, in that 3rd year, the other team will run circles around his plodding offense, like Michigan vs Ohio State.

Being 10-14 pts down is like watching a team scratch and claw, hoping the other team don't score again to put down the death nail. 3rd & 13 seems an impossibility to convert.

With Walsh WCO and Kyle's offense, 3rd&13 has a better chance of converting with a 15yds pass. And being 14pts down doesn't seemed like a death nail. Watching Kyle's offense brings me back to the Walsh era.

I guess some fans have only Harbaugh's offense as a winning reference to hold a comparison. But if you are one of the older fans, the difference is night and day between Kyle's neo WCO and Harbaugh's.

I'm skeptical this new OC will change anything. Would take introspection about his own flaws, something I don't think he is capable of. Imagine the guy took the job to get himself a HC gig in a year.
Originally posted by genus49:
I remember telling Michigan fans when they hired Harbaugh not to get too excited because his act gets tired even if it works much better in college where most players are out in 3-4 years. They blasted me saying I was just bitter that he wasn't coaching the 9ers anymore.

Many of them have apologized to me by now.

I kind of want to see him back in the NFL to show how what happened here was a perfect recipe for success and Harbaugh while a good coach for the right team isn't some Walsh/Belichick type or even a Shanahan type.

Or even a (John) Harbaugh type. Which is sadly pathetic....

So many 49er and non 49er fans overrated Harbaugh years after his departure. People just overlook him having an even more underachieving team than the Rams McVay inherited, with an equally elite DC, special teams..........and think it was all his doing. So annoying.

Harbaugh was the 49ers HC from 2011-2014, not from 1991-1994. Hell, he might have been able to have won it in the 2001-2004 era (2006 Bears with Grossman going to the SB come to mind), but too much emphasis on offense this decade and he wasn't cut out for it.

Yeah, Harbaugh was a good head coach for the 49ers and I wouldn't change hiring him in 2011, but at the same time, I don't necessarily think seeing him let go in 2014 was the worst thing ever the way things were put together in the building. Maybe he stabilizes Kap and Aldon, but that wasn't going to be an 8-8 season like his last one was.

Harbaugh if he would have gotten Kyle or Kubiak and been a bit less abrasive would have been awesome. Perhaps we would have needed Baalke gone too to keep the Delanie Walkers of the world , and maybe the 49ers would have done a lot better. I actually thought the 2014 49ers were a SB contender, believe it or not.......and in the first half of the season, the 49ers definitely played like one.

But I'd much rather see what we will do from here in on than wish the 49ers history could be redone post Harbaugh's final game. I've spent the last few years admiring Seifert's tenure with the team as HC, not just as DB coach/DC. Seifert > Harbaugh after all these years....

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Originally posted by genus49:
I remember telling Michigan fans when they hired Harbaugh not to get too excited because his act gets tired even if it works much better in college where most players are out in 3-4 years. They blasted me saying I was just bitter that he wasn't coaching the 9ers anymore.

Many of them have apologized to me by now.

I kind of want to see him back in the NFL to show how what happened here was a perfect recipe for success and Harbaugh while a good coach for the right team isn't some Walsh/Belichick type or even a Shanahan type.

Well Harbaugh is trying to modernize his offense... we'll see if the Worlverine can change is fur.

It seems like all Michigan wants these days is just that — a modern, prolific offense. That, fans hope, will be the key ingredient to push the Wolverines to that long-overdue B1G Championship.
https://saturdaytradition.com/michigan-football/no-matter-how-michigan-offense-harbaugh-made-right-decision-turn-over-offense-2019/
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Should have clarified that.. true they got Beckham and Landry.

But we got:

Deebo

Hurd

Brieda

Kittle

Au Jus

Jet

Now Coleman.

And all the above can play WR/RB/TE. As a group, we got a lot of great receivers who can play out of kyle's 3 positions.

Add in TT, maybe , and add Marquis . Perttis, and Toilolo and you are talking about serious receivers, 6 of which can line up anywhere, block anywhere, run the ball , or catch the ball.

Makes our passing game way better than theirs. However, i should have said "RECEIVERS" , not WRs.

If Wilton can make the practice squad this year, I'm hoping Kyle finds an Hybrid RB/QB next year to give Wilton a challenge to his practice squad position.
Yes! He is a good coach!
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The Atlanta offense sure misses Kyle.

The Atlanta Falcons haven't managed to recapture the magic that helped them build a 28-3 lead in Super Bowl 51. Overall, they Falcons have gone 17-15 over the past two seasons with a 1-1 playoff record since that fateful collapse against the Patriots in February of 2017.
Matt Ryan hasn't quite reached the same absurd heights that he managed to achieve with Kyle Shanahan orchestrating the offense in 2016, but there's plenty of factors working in the offense's favor entering 2019.
https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/matt-ryan-fantasy-football-qbs-mvp-2019
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by RedGoldSquatch:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
To put it succinctly, Kyle is building a more balanced team. Offense, defense, ST. Running and passing. It tries to be varied and all encompassed to deal with different defensive fronts.

Harbaugh piggy back on a power run game and a strong Fangio defense. Passing game rudimentary and stale, when defense put 10 in the box to force out his passing game. It became predictable after a year or 2.

There were many times during Harbaugh's game where we couldn't run the ball. He can run the ball to setup the pass, but couldn't pass the ball to setup the run. He could attack vertically with guys like Vernon, Ginn, Moss. But very limited attack in spacing horizontally.

I see Kyle's offense able to setup, run to pass, pass to run, vertical and horizontal.

We're in good hands with Kyle

Like all fans I loved the Harbaugh era for the win's and excitement but too many times I would find myself with the dreaded feeling that we were going to let games slip away. While my memory may be skewed it seems that just about every time that we actually NEEDED the D to step up at the end of the game that they didn't and let the other team move right down the field. Perhaps it was all the terrible years and the expectation of failure but that's just how it felt at the time. An impending doom that we were going to blow it. Ultimately it proved to be true, against the Seahawks over and over (Sweet Jesus how do you not let Gore touch the ball and go for 3 straight passes on 1st & goal at the 7 yard line?!) or against the Ravens in the Superbowl where we sent the players kids out to play the first half before they turned off the lights and switched jersey's to play in the second. I want a more balanced team that gives hope that they can always make it happen not one where I'm waiting for them to fail.

Harbaugh's plodding and predictable offensive philosophy has a limited shelf life, maybe 3 years. It doesn't mean you can't win with it. But it's a narrow and limited opportunity.

After 3 years in Michigan, he is now turning over the offense to his new OC to do as he will. Which tells me he finally accepted and realized his offense is stale and there are guys smarter than him to slice and dice.

He came into the Niners in 2011, and by 2013 showed signs of staleness. By 2014, it's full blown predictable. At some point, in that 3rd year, the other team will run circles around his plodding offense, like Michigan vs Ohio State.

Being 10-14 pts down is like watching a team scratch and claw, hoping the other team don't score again to put down the death nail. 3rd & 13 seems an impossibility to convert.

With Walsh WCO and Kyle's offense, 3rd&13 has a better chance of converting with a 15yds pass. And being 14pts down doesn't seemed like a death nail. Watching Kyle's offense brings me back to the Walsh era.

I guess some fans have only Harbaugh's offense as a winning reference to hold a comparison. But if you are one of the older fans, the difference is night and day between Kyle's neo WCO and Harbaugh's.

How about a winning season? When he matches Harbaugh's accomplishments as Harbaugh we can start seriously comparing them.
Harbaugh > Shanahan so far.
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