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Originally posted by Superbowl:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Superbowl:
Neglecting the OL for years will cost lynch.

They haven't been ignoring it. They just haven't hit on some of their picks.

Mike McGlinchey - top 10 pick
Aaron Banks - early 2nd round pick

Both guys started for us but weren't good enough to get extensions with the team. I'm sure the team would've liked to keep McGlinchey but there were too many other priority signings to make.

We've done pretty well on developmental OTs in the later rounds - Colton McKivitz is the best example but Jaylon Moore got himself a very nice deal with KC and looked pretty good replacing Trent last year here. Even Skule was serviceable.

Burford was a failure but had some potential too.

I think the bigger issue is their ideology. That they can invest in traits and coach them up. Yes we've had some examples of this working but the issue is if you're missing on those early skill players/defenders and pushing down the OL talent your odds of success go down and your team is weaker for it.
The problem is the discrepancy in the amount of resources they have thrown at DL & WR in the early rounds of the draft in comparison to the OL.

2017: (1a) Solomon Thomas, (1b) Reuben Foster
2018: (1) Mike McGlinchey, (2) Dante Pettis
2019: (1) Nick Bosa, (2) Deebo Samuel
2020: (1a) Javon Kinlaw, (1b) Brandon Aiyuk
2021: (1) Trey Lance, (2) Aaron Banks
2022: (2) Drake Jackson
2023: No 1st or 2nd round pick
2024: (1) Ricky Pearsall, (2) Renardo Green
2025: (1) Mykel Williams, (2) Alfred Collins
2026: (2) De'Zhaun Stribling

DL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 6
WR picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 5
Other positions picked in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 3
OL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 2

Hits (received 2nd contract from Niners): 3 (1 of which was Aiyuk who is ultimately a miss).
Misses (let go after rookie contract): 8
TBD: 5

We have misfired year after year on DL & WR not to mention the Trey Lance trade set us back tremendously. Purdy is the 49ers savior. If it wasn't for him, I think this regime would be done because any other GM/Coach doesn't survive that big of a miss.

What is mind boggling to me is Shanalynch's philosophy. I understand pass rush is high on the priority list but you are prioritizing players that you keep in a rotation. The OL is a unit that plays every offensive series! They are only subbed out if someone is hurt or you have such a nice lead you put the backups in. Imagine if we had drafted Wirfs instead of Kinlaw & Frazier instead of Pearsall (tbh hindsight 20/20 here because I really wanted Jackson Powers Johnson @ #1):

Trent / McKivitz / Frazier / Puni / Wirfs - Easily top 3 OL, maybe best in league.

Good post wolf.

Easy to look back after the fact and say who was a bust and who wasn't. It seems some fans here forget that Soloman Thomas was considered one of the top D lineman that year because of his versatility. They forget that Reuben Foster was a stud LB in college and many felt he was a steal that late in the round. Thomas turned out to be too much of tweener and Foster had a lot of off field issues as well as health issues so both ended up being busts but the picks at the time were considered good picks.

When they traded up for Trey Lance it was 50/50 or better among fans whether they should have done it or just stayed put and picked Jones. I seem to remember most fans were in favor of Lance because he had more upside. Obviously he didn't work out either but it's not because the Niners didn't know what they were doing. He was going to be a top 10 pick by some team that year ( a bad year for QB talent). Five QBs picked in the first round that year and only one (Lawrence) has been a viable starter. Even he hasn't been nearly as good as he was projected to be. He was being called a generational talent an he hasn't been anything close to that.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Superbowl:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Superbowl:
Neglecting the OL for years will cost lynch.

They haven't been ignoring it. They just haven't hit on some of their picks.

Mike McGlinchey - top 10 pick
Aaron Banks - early 2nd round pick

Both guys started for us but weren't good enough to get extensions with the team. I'm sure the team would've liked to keep McGlinchey but there were too many other priority signings to make.

We've done pretty well on developmental OTs in the later rounds - Colton McKivitz is the best example but Jaylon Moore got himself a very nice deal with KC and looked pretty good replacing Trent last year here. Even Skule was serviceable.

Burford was a failure but had some potential too.

I think the bigger issue is their ideology. That they can invest in traits and coach them up. Yes we've had some examples of this working but the issue is if you're missing on those early skill players/defenders and pushing down the OL talent your odds of success go down and your team is weaker for it.
The problem is the discrepancy in the amount of resources they have thrown at DL & WR in the early rounds of the draft in comparison to the OL.

2017: (1a) Solomon Thomas, (1b) Reuben Foster
2018: (1) Mike McGlinchey, (2) Dante Pettis
2019: (1) Nick Bosa, (2) Deebo Samuel
2020: (1a) Javon Kinlaw, (1b) Brandon Aiyuk
2021: (1) Trey Lance, (2) Aaron Banks
2022: (2) Drake Jackson
2023: No 1st or 2nd round pick
2024: (1) Ricky Pearsall, (2) Renardo Green
2025: (1) Mykel Williams, (2) Alfred Collins
2026: (2) De'Zhaun Stribling

DL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 6
WR picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 5
Other positions picked in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 3
OL picks in first 2 rounds of Shanalynch era: 2

Hits (received 2nd contract from Niners): 3 (1 of which was Aiyuk who is ultimately a miss).
Misses (let go after rookie contract): 8
TBD: 5

We have misfired year after year on DL & WR not to mention the Trey Lance trade set us back tremendously. Purdy is the 49ers savior. If it wasn't for him, I think this regime would be done because any other GM/Coach doesn't survive that big of a miss.

What is mind boggling to me is Shanalynch's philosophy. I understand pass rush is high on the priority list but you are prioritizing players that you keep in a rotation. The OL is a unit that plays every offensive series! They are only subbed out if someone is hurt or you have such a nice lead you put the backups in. Imagine if we had drafted Wirfs instead of Kinlaw & Frazier instead of Pearsall (tbh hindsight 20/20 here because I really wanted Jackson Powers Johnson @ #1):

Trent / McKivitz / Frazier / Puni / Wirfs - Easily top 3 OL, maybe best in league.

Good post wolf.

Easy to look back after the fact and say who was a bust and who wasn't. It seems some fans here forget that Soloman Thomas was considered one of the top D lineman that year because of his versatility. They forget that Reuben Foster was a stud LB in college and many felt he was a steal that late in the round. Thomas turned out to be too much of tweener and Foster had a lot of off field issues as well as health issues so both ended up being busts but the picks at the time were considered good picks.

When they traded up for Trey Lance it was 50/50 or better among fans whether they should have done it or just stayed put and picked Jones. I seem to remember most fans were in favor of Lance because he had more upside. Obviously he didn't work out either but it's not because the Niners didn't know what they were doing. He was going to be a top 10 pick by some team that year ( a bad year for QB talent). Five QBs picked in the first round that year and only one (Lawrence) has been a viable starter. Even he hasn't been nearly as good as he was projected to be. He was being called a generational talent an he hasn't been anything close to that.

yeah many fans won't admit to the Lance thing. I belonged to another 9er website at the time and beyond heated discussions were real. It was a solid 60% pushing for Lance. 9ers take a chance. He is going to be a future stud, including me with those thoughts. Then the other side how Mac could process like a machine. Blah blah. The fighting was near epic at the time.

Draft picks are just a crap roll and the one and only one reason why I respect the Rams. They understand this and will trade 1s if need be to get a stud. They don't care and the odds are better than the crap roll sometimes.

I am mixed on John. I still think there can be improvments and I think he is an awesome guy but I would not be opposed to a change next season if things fall apart a bit this year namely injuries.
[ Edited by 9erson3 on Sep 1, 2026 at 7:40 AM ]
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Easy to look back after the fact and say who was a bust and who wasn't. It seems some fans here forget that Soloman Thomas was considered one of the top D lineman that year because of his versatility. They forget that Reuben Foster was a stud LB in college and many felt he was a steal that late in the round. Thomas turned out to be too much of tweener and Foster had a lot of off field issues as well as health issues so both ended up being busts but the picks at the time were considered good picks.

When they traded up for Trey Lance it was 50/50 or better among fans whether they should have done it or just stayed put and picked Jones. I seem to remember most fans were in favor of Lance because he had more upside. Obviously he didn't work out either but it's not because the Niners didn't know what they were doing. He was going to be a top 10 pick by some team that year ( a bad year for QB talent). Five QBs picked in the first round that year and only one (Lawrence) has been a viable starter. Even he hasn't been nearly as good as he was projected to be. He was being called a generational talent an he hasn't been anything close to that.

Yep. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Originally posted by 9erson3:
yeah many fans won't admit to the Lance thing. I belonged to another 9er website at the time and beyond heated discussions were real. It was a solid 60% pushing for Lance. 9ers take a chance. He is going to be a future stud, including me with those thoughts. Then the other side how Mac could process like a machine. Blah blah. The fighting was near epic at the time.

Draft picks are just a crap roll and the one and only one reason why I respect the Rams. They understand this and will trade 1s if need be to get a stud. They don't care and the odds are better than the crap roll sometimes.

I am mixed on John. I still think their can be improvments and I think he is an awesome guy but I would be opposed to a change next season if things fall apart a bit this year namely injuries.

Feels like a change is coming regardless of how the season goes. GMs that get to the final season of their contract aren't usually brought back.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
yeah many fans won't admit to the Lance thing. I belonged to another 9er website at the time and beyond heated discussions were real. It was a solid 60% pushing for Lance. 9ers take a chance. He is going to be a future stud, including me with those thoughts. Then the other side how Mac could process like a machine. Blah blah. The fighting was near epic at the time.

Draft picks are just a crap roll and the one and only one reason why I respect the Rams. They understand this and will trade 1s if need be to get a stud. They don't care and the odds are better than the crap roll sometimes.

I am mixed on John. I still think their can be improvments and I think he is an awesome guy but I would be opposed to a change next season if things fall apart a bit this year namely injuries.

Feels like a change is coming regardless of how the season goes. GMs that get to the final season of their contract aren't usually brought back.

I'm don't mind change if they have a clear choice that's proven he's a solid GM. The problem is there aren't many just floating around. Good ones aren't usually available. Hiring a retread that's been fired is no guarantee that he'll be any better than Lynch.
Originally posted by Crown:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Crown:
2 Firsts for Crosby?

Not like the niners can draft in the first round anyways.

I'm so over the 9ers drafts. Don't get me wrong I'm stoked about the 2026 draft. But Shanahan and Lynch's track record is pretty disappointing. That's why I'm like f**k the picks already!!!

Me too.

Thats me being a fan though but I agree.

The only issue is using picks on a superstar is far more expensive on cap hits but this team hasnt done a great job with !st round picks.

These are the 1st round picks by this regime.

2017:
Solomon Thomas
Reuben Foster
2018:
Mike McGlinchey
2019:
Nick Bosa
2020:
Javon Kinlaw
Brandon Aiyuk
2021:
Trey Lance
2024:
Ricky Pearsall
2025:
Mykel Williams

The biggest miss was clearly Trey Lance and the cost it took to get that pick hurt that much more.

Thomas and Foster were both considered great picks at the time. They ended up being busts but for different reasons. Thomas is still in the league playing. Foster had a terrific rookie season then injuries and off the field issues killed his career.

The biggest problem with all these picks outside of Lance and Thomas weren't talent. It was injuries and Solomon Thomas had a tragic event happen before his 2nd season that could've impacted his career path in a big way.
Originally posted by 9erson3:
yeah many fans won't admit to the Lance thing. I belonged to another 9er website at the time and beyond heated discussions were real. It was a solid 60% pushing for Lance. 9ers take a chance. He is going to be a future stud, including me with those thoughts. Then the other side how Mac could process like a machine. Blah blah. The fighting was near epic at the time.

Draft picks are just a crap roll and the one and only one reason why I respect the Rams. They understand this and will trade 1s if need be to get a stud. They don't care and the odds are better than the crap roll sometimes.

I am mixed on John. I still think there can be improvments and I think he is an awesome guy but I would not be opposed to a change next season if things fall apart a bit this year namely injuries.

The Rams literally rebuild their whole team via the draft though.

Puka, Kyren Williams, Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Steve Avila, Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, Kamren Kinchens - 3 drafts worth of impact players that allowed them to get back to trading for guys like Garrett.

I've maintained for a while that we'd be a better team with a proven GM working with Kyle. I like John but we need someone to check Kyle on his way of thinking and protect him from falling in love or out of love with players like he has.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
yeah many fans won't admit to the Lance thing. I belonged to another 9er website at the time and beyond heated discussions were real. It was a solid 60% pushing for Lance. 9ers take a chance. He is going to be a future stud, including me with those thoughts. Then the other side how Mac could process like a machine. Blah blah. The fighting was near epic at the time.

Draft picks are just a crap roll and the one and only one reason why I respect the Rams. They understand this and will trade 1s if need be to get a stud. They don't care and the odds are better than the crap roll sometimes.

I am mixed on John. I still think there can be improvments and I think he is an awesome guy but I would not be opposed to a change next season if things fall apart a bit this year namely injuries.

The Rams literally rebuild their whole team via the draft though.

Puka, Kyren Williams, Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Steve Avila, Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, Kamren Kinchens - 3 drafts worth of impact players that allowed them to get back to trading for guys like Garrett.

I've maintained for a while that we'd be a better team with a proven GM working with Kyle. I like John but we need someone to check Kyle on his way of thinking and protect him from falling in love or out of love with players like he has.

I'm good with them revamping their draft philosophy and if they do I'd be looking at someone like Alec Halaby as GM.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
yeah many fans won't admit to the Lance thing. I belonged to another 9er website at the time and beyond heated discussions were real. It was a solid 60% pushing for Lance. 9ers take a chance. He is going to be a future stud, including me with those thoughts. Then the other side how Mac could process like a machine. Blah blah. The fighting was near epic at the time.

Draft picks are just a crap roll and the one and only one reason why I respect the Rams. They understand this and will trade 1s if need be to get a stud. They don't care and the odds are better than the crap roll sometimes.

I am mixed on John. I still think there can be improvments and I think he is an awesome guy but I would not be opposed to a change next season if things fall apart a bit this year namely injuries.

The Rams literally rebuild their whole team via the draft though.

Puka, Kyren Williams, Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Steve Avila, Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, Kamren Kinchens - 3 drafts worth of impact players that allowed them to get back to trading for guys like Garrett.

I've maintained for a while that we'd be a better team with a proven GM working with Kyle. I like John but we need someone to check Kyle on his way of thinking and protect him from falling in love or out of love with players like he has.

John is elite as a face of the franchise - hope he moves up to role that highlights that.

We do need an upgrade at GM.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm so over the 9ers drafts. Don't get me wrong I'm stoked about the 2026 draft. But Shanahan and Lynch's track record is pretty disappointing. That's why I'm like f**k the picks already!!!

You are not wrong. Draft picks are overrated in the NFL in my opinion. The problem with trades and FA is the salary cap.

Draft picks are overrated only if you don't hit on them.

If you get yourself a Brock Purdy in the 7th, Tom Brady in the 6th, George Kittle, Puka Nacua in the 5th, Maxx Crosby in the 4th, Fred Warner in the 3rd then you slam open a SB window in a hurry.

Let's not forget everyone is screaming we have to get younger(I can almost guarantee you've said something along those lines here or on social media) you don't tend to get younger without draft picks.

Now we can argue that we need to draft better and hopefully this class gives us more to get excited about but good teams are always about balance with youth/veterans. Tho if your team can't draft well that SB window will shut in a hurry unless you have one of the best QBs of all time. Unfortunately we don't have that with Brock but he's good enough that if we just don't completely whiff on our drafts we can make playoff runs.

We do need to get younger. Its a balance for sure.

Your exhibit A of late round players is anticdotal.

End of the day, with the cap, we do have to draft better no doubt about it. I think the idea here is to not f**k up contract extensions so often and utilize your draft capital and roster players to trade/sign for players.
Originally posted by Crown:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
yeah many fans won't admit to the Lance thing. I belonged to another 9er website at the time and beyond heated discussions were real. It was a solid 60% pushing for Lance. 9ers take a chance. He is going to be a future stud, including me with those thoughts. Then the other side how Mac could process like a machine. Blah blah. The fighting was near epic at the time.

Draft picks are just a crap roll and the one and only one reason why I respect the Rams. They understand this and will trade 1s if need be to get a stud. They don't care and the odds are better than the crap roll sometimes.

I am mixed on John. I still think there can be improvments and I think he is an awesome guy but I would not be opposed to a change next season if things fall apart a bit this year namely injuries.

The Rams literally rebuild their whole team via the draft though.

Puka, Kyren Williams, Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Steve Avila, Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, Kamren Kinchens - 3 drafts worth of impact players that allowed them to get back to trading for guys like Garrett.

I've maintained for a while that we'd be a better team with a proven GM working with Kyle. I like John but we need someone to check Kyle on his way of thinking and protect him from falling in love or out of love with players like he has.

John is elite as a face of the franchise - hope he moves up to role that highlights that.

We do need an upgrade at GM.

This and if Shanny is heavily involved time to step away from the draft.
Originally posted by genus49:
These are the 1st round picks by this regime.

2017:
Solomon Thomas
Reuben Foster
2018:
Mike McGlinchey
2019:
Nick Bosa
2020:
Javon Kinlaw
Brandon Aiyuk
2021:
Trey Lance
2024:
Ricky Pearsall
2025:
Mykel Williams

If Bosa doesn't play against LA—and it doesn't look like he will—the 49ers will have none of this regime's first-round picks on the field. That's so crazy.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
yeah many fans won't admit to the Lance thing. I belonged to another 9er website at the time and beyond heated discussions were real. It was a solid 60% pushing for Lance. 9ers take a chance. He is going to be a future stud, including me with those thoughts. Then the other side how Mac could process like a machine. Blah blah. The fighting was near epic at the time.

Draft picks are just a crap roll and the one and only one reason why I respect the Rams. They understand this and will trade 1s if need be to get a stud. They don't care and the odds are better than the crap roll sometimes.

I am mixed on John. I still think there can be improvments and I think he is an awesome guy but I would not be opposed to a change next season if things fall apart a bit this year namely injuries.

The Rams literally rebuild their whole team via the draft though.

Puka, Kyren Williams, Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Steve Avila, Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, Kamren Kinchens - 3 drafts worth of impact players that allowed them to get back to trading for guys like Garrett.

I've maintained for a while that we'd be a better team with a proven GM working with Kyle. I like John but we need someone to check Kyle on his way of thinking and protect him from falling in love or out of love with players like he has.


Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by genus49:
These are the 1st round picks by this regime.

2017:
Solomon Thomas
Reuben Foster
2018:
Mike McGlinchey
2019:
Nick Bosa
2020:
Javon Kinlaw
Brandon Aiyuk
2021:
Trey Lance
2024:
Ricky Pearsall
2025:
Mykel Williams

If Bosa doesn't play against LA—and it doesn't look like he will—the 49ers will have none of this regime's first-round picks on the field. That's so crazy.

The Rams will only have one. Jared Verse. The went 7 seasons without 1st rounder because they kept trading back every year or traded them away for players.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Rams will only have one. Jared Verse. The went 7 seasons without 1st rounder because they kept trading back every year or traded them away for players.

And verse isn't playing for them….also I'm seeing a lot of reports of garrett's knee swelling up a lot during camp?
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Sep 1, 2026 at 9:37 AM ]
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by genus49:
These are the 1st round picks by this regime.

2017:
Solomon Thomas
Reuben Foster
2018:
Mike McGlinchey
2019:
Nick Bosa
2020:
Javon Kinlaw
Brandon Aiyuk
2021:
Trey Lance
2024:
Ricky Pearsall
2025:
Mykel Williams

If Bosa doesn't play against LA—and it doesn't look like he will—the 49ers will have none of this regime's first-round picks on the field. That's so crazy.

This sucks
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