John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Chance:
That's the kind of intellectually dishonest argumentation typical in those numb of nuts.

A) video packages prepared by scouts are not "highlight reels." And the amount of prep that goes into each pick incorporates a ton of discussion, collaboration, meetings, etc. I get why you want to make Kyle look like a lazy idiot, but I'm not dumb and I see through your b******t, and if you actually believe that b******t, then you have bigger problem to worry about.

B) Yeah, teams don't know each others' draft boards. Kyle told Eisen that they hear whispers and know what kind of players certain teams tend to go for, but at the end of the day, teams tend to keep their picks closely guarded since you know this is a multi-billion dollar league built on exploiting any competitive advantage.

Straight from the horses mouth. Kyle Shanahan calls it "highlight tapes" and literally says "highlight tapes" multiple times. But it's not that

Kyle Shanahan shares the team's draft preparation:

He doesn't pick up tape til February & relies on the position coaches to make highlight tapes on each prospect so he can study it.

"If I don't like their highlight tape, I'm not going to watch anything after."#49ers | #FTTB pic.twitter.com/gmJ11YmkM6

— Sterling Bennett🔌💭 (@49ers_Access) April 30, 2026

Sure, but he's using the term differently than you or I might, which was my point. These aren't a players top plays on YouTube, they're cut-ups of highs, lows, and whatever aspects the scouts think are important to portray to the coach about the player. So when people say, "hE oNlY wAtChEs HiGhLiGhTs!1!2!," what they're trying to convey is that he watches YouTube clips, which is fumb as f**k.

Lol yeah, the team isn't only looking at highlight tape and selecting them off of that. Kyle essentially said that if their best plays aren't enticing, why watch anything else.

if that's the norm in the nfl - that kinda explains why a lot of guys come out of no where later in the draft. Kittle is a perfect example, all his best plays in college were blocking because of the system he played in. He rarely was thrown to.

Theres a ton of talented dudes who are under used in college or used out of place. Or just bad coaching. Like Hufunga - his college defensive coaching was absolute trash. So he was really an all pro talent but poorly used and it crashed his draft position.

the other thing is that there's only so many dudes who can do great in any system. Most guys more fit schemes and do well but they get drafted to a bad team or a scheme that doesn't fit.

this stuff and tons of other variables make
tbe draft a crap shoot

Idk how I feel about us having the oldest draft class in the nfl.

in a way, I guess it means these guys should be more ready to contribute now. In an effort to win now.

ultimately, not many players across the league last 6+ years with a team in general. Most of our guys (Pearsall, this whole draft etc). Will be pushing 30 when their contract is up. So IMO, if we resign them, it'll be more a short term contract. Which can cause salary cap issuses.

hopefully it results in a SB but it'll be interesting to folllw

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idk how I feel about us having the oldest draft class in the nfl.

in a way, I guess it means these guys should be more ready to contribute now. In an effort to win now.

ultimately, not many players across the league last 6+ years with a team in general. Most of our guys (Pearsall, this whole draft etc). Will be pushing 30 when their contract is up. So IMO, if we resign them, it'll be more a short term contract. Which can cause salary cap issuses.

hopefully it results in a SB but it'll be interesting to folllw

Even stars who get drafted rarely last more than 7 years on their original team. Look at Deebo, Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill, etc.

Even if everybody in the Niners draft class is a star - it's very unlikely they'd make it past year 7 even if they were still producing. Team needs change, players want new scenery, etc.

Really the only exception are star QBs, for the obvious reasons.

Drafted age of 24 or 25 means nothing in practical terms.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
So are you happy with the way we draft in the early rounds? I don't think anyone on this forum would care if the Niners overdrafted vs. Consensus as long as they hit on the player.
When you miss as much as they do then people do start asking questions. Truth is they would draft better if they ignored their board and went with the consensus.

It's hard. If the 49ers drafted the consensus I. 2024 for example:

31. Jackson powers johnson - injured, then moved positions by raiders. Certainly hasn't been worthy of a 1st round pick (not that pearsall has)

63. Jatavion Sanders - has not been great (neither has renardo but I'd give slight nod to renardo)

86. Austin booker - puni has had a better career so far

Don't have access to the rest of the consensus off this site. I'm not saying our draft picks have been great top to bottom but I also don't see "just pick consensus!" as better year after year

Been going through big boards to put something like "what were the Consensus BPA picks at each pick". From Arif Hasan's Overall Consensus Big Board, MDDB Consensus Big Board, and PFF's Big Board, these are the top-3 available each time we picked. If the top player shows up in the next pick, they were removed. Ignoring things like butterfly effect.

Read each as the board acronym (actual pick rank) - player, school, pos (board rank) / ...

• 1.31 - Ricky Pearsall, Florida, WRF
  • AHO (48) - Jer'Zhan Newton, Illinois, DL3T (20) / Cooper DeJean, Iowa, NCB (22) / Kool-Aid McKinstry, Bama, OCB (27)
  • MDDB (52) - Cooper DeJean, Iowa, NCB (22) / Jer'Zhan Newton, Illinois, DL3T (24) / Kool-Aid McKinstry, Bama, OCB (28)
  • PFF (45) - Cooper DeJean, Iowa, NCB (8) / Jer'Zhan Newton, Illinois, DL3T (11) / Adonai Mitchell, Texas, WRF (22)
• 2.64 - Renardo Green, Florida State, OCB
  • AHO (110) - Troy Franklin, Oregon, WRF (39) / Payton Wilson, NC State, OLB (44) / Cooper Beebe, Kansas State, OG (46)
  • MDDB (108) - Troy Franklin, Oregon, WRF (42) / Payton Wilson, NC State, OLB (39) / T.J. Tampa, Iowa State, OCB (55)
  • PFF (89) - Troy Franklin, Oregon, WRF (29) / Payton Wilson, NC State, OLB (30) / Adisa Isaac, Penn State, EDGE (38)
• 3.86 - Dominick Puni, Kansas, OG
  • AHO (78) - Payton Wilson, NC State, OLB (39) / T.J. Tampa, Iowa State, OCB (55) / Jaden Hicks, Washington State, FS (67)
  • MDDB (82) - Payton Wilson, NC State, OLB (45) / T.J. Tampa, Iowa State, OCB (49) / Adisa Isaac, Penn State, EDGE (60)
  • PFF (104) - Payton Wilson, NC State, OLB (30) / Adisa Isaac, Penn State, EDGE (38) / Ja'Tavion Sanders, Texas, TE (43)
• 4.124 - Malik Mustapha, Wake Forest, SS
  
  • AHO (124) - T.J. Tampa, Iowa State, OCB (55) / Jaden Hicks, Washington State, FS (67) / Austin Booker, Kansas, EDGE (85)
  • MDDB (122) - T.J. Tampa, Iowa State, OCB (49) / Jaden Hicks, Washington State, FS (71) / Austin Booker, Kansas, EDGE (87)
  • PFF (148) - T.J. Tampa, Iowa State, OCB (51) / Jaden Hicks, Washington State, FS (54) / Johnny Wilson, Florida State, WRF (80)
• 4.129 - Isaac Guerendo, Louisville, RBF
  • AHO (164) - Jaden Hicks, Washington State, FS (67) / Austin Booker, Kansas, EDGE (85) / Jeremiah Trotter Jr, Clemson, ILB (89)
  • MDDB (157) - Jaden Hicks, Washington State, FS (71) / Austin Booker, Kansas, EDGE (87) / Jeremiah Trotter Jr, Clemson, ILB (93)
  • PFF (190) - Jaden Hicks, Washington State, FS (54) / Johnny Wilson, Florida State, WRF (80) / Xavier Thomas, Clemson, EDGE (83)
• 4.135 - Jacob Cowing, Arizona, WRS
  • AHO (137) - Austin Booker, Kansas, EDGE (85) / Jeremiah Trotter Jr, Clemson, ILB (89) / Kris Abrams-Draine, Missouri, NCB (90)
  • MDDB (134) - Austin Booker, Kansas, EDGE (87) / Jeremiah Trotter Jr, Clemson, ILB (93) / Kris Abrams-Draine, Missouri, NCB (95)
  • PFF (117) - Johnny Wilson, Florida State, WRF (80) / Xavier Thomas, Clemson, EDGE (83) / Austin Booker, Kansas, EDGE (88)
• 6.215 - Jarrett Kingston, USC, OG
  • AHO (297) - Brenden Rice, USC, WRF (106) / Gabriel Murphy, UCLA, EDGE (111) / Leonard Taylor III, Miami (FL), DL3T (117)
  • MDDB (320) - Brenden Rice, USC, WRF (101) / Leonard Taylor III, Miami (FL), DL3T (114) / Gabriel Murphy, UCLA, EDGE (128)
  • PFF (n/a) - Blake Watson, Memphis, RBC (97) / Brenden Rice, USC, WRF (125) / Tahj Washington, USC, WRS (129)
• 7.251 - Tatum Bethune, Florida State, OLB
  • AHO (285) - Gabriel Murphy, UCLA, EDGE (111) / Leonard Taylor III, Miami (FL), DL3T (117) / Beau Brade, Maryland, SS (143)
  • MDDB (325) - Leonard Taylor III, Miami (FL), DL3T (114) / Gabriel Murphy, UCLA, EDGE (128) / Curtis Jacobs, Penn State, OLB (163)
  • PFF (n/a) - Leonard Taylor III, Miami (FL), DL3T (141) / Isaiah Williams, Illinois, WRF (144) / Cornelius Johnson, Michigan, WRF (147)

I still like our draft better.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Funny he mentions the "numbnuts" on this forum. The same numbnuts has been putting out better drafts in the first three rounds than Kyle/John over the years. It's all there in all the shadow drafts and draft discussion threads

And so now the truth reveals itself. It's not just that the 49ers FO doesn't know what they're doing but the fans know better. If you'd just said that in the first place, I could have started ignoring your posts much sooner

Oh no please don't ignore me 49ers81!! That would hurt my feelings cause it means so much to me that you read my post

Never said that the 49ers FO doesn't know what they are doing or that the fans know better. But when people start calling everyone here numb nuts and act like nobody knows nothing about football but the 49ers FO and what they say is gospel; that's just as ignorant. Guys here put in a lot of time and effort in the lead up to the drafts and to just s**t all over it by calling them numb nuts is childish and immature; especially when like I said, the proof is all there that people beyond just the FO knows what they are talking about.

Did you really just say some random dude on his phone making mock drafts on simulators and eating Doritos know more or as much as our coaches, scouts and front office?

WTF did I just read??

Man some of you go overboard with extreme examples to try and prove a point. That's not at all what I said but if you want to interpret it that way then you do you my man.

My point was that people here know what they are talking about too. Obviously not everyone; but just because we aren't coaches or working in NFL front offices does not mean that the "fans" don't know s**t about football and we should agree with and take everything that the 49ers coach's/FO say and do come draft time as gospel. Their draft history in rounds 1-3 suggests to do quite the opposite if we being honest with ourselves.

I mean the easiest example is the freaking Jake Moody in the 3rd and Cam Latu picks. Both HUGE reaches and the majority of this fan board hated it. Who was right? Many random dudes on their phones making mock drafts on simulators knew more than the coaches/scouts and front office on that. And there's more examples if you been following the drafts with this regime in the draft discussion threads and shadow drafts. It's all there.

The amount of time OTC puts in on prospects and making his spreadsheets for us. Mad Dog was amazing with his rankings and lead up stuff to the draft. Phoenix provides us with so many prospect threads to read up on in the months leading up to the draft. NY with all the tweets. Adrianlesnar already got 2027 stuff taking place and that man is ALWAYS discussing prospects throughout the entire year. I can go on and on. Gotta mention my boys Heroisms expertise on DL and Hysterikals DB knowledge.

So when someone calls everyone numb nuts and people keep saying that nobody knows nothing about football, etc etc etc, I wholeheartedly disagree cause I'm in the discussions with those guys and respect the hell out of their opinions. They know football. Even you Sask, based on posts I've seen from you, I respect those too and would say that you are someone who knows the game.

Sorry for the very long winded response; but that was my point. Go Niners

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol yeah, the team isn't only looking at highlight tape and selecting them off of that. Kyle essentially said that if their best plays aren't enticing, why watch anything else.

if that's the norm in the nfl - that kinda explains why a lot of guys come out of no where later in the draft. Kittle is a perfect example, all his best plays in college were blocking because of the system he played in. He rarely was thrown to.

Theres a ton of talented dudes who are under used in college or used out of place. Or just bad coaching. Like Hufunga - his college defensive coaching was absolute trash. So he was really an all pro talent but poorly used and it crashed his draft position.

the other thing is that there's only so many dudes who can do great in any system. Most guys more fit schemes and do well but they get drafted to a bad team or a scheme that doesn't fit.

this stuff and tons of other variables make
tbe draft a crap shoot

Did you pull that one out from where the sun don't shine?

Huff was the PAC-12 defensive player of the year and a consensus first team all American. Lead USC in tackles, interceptions, and forced fumbles. If he can do that with what you considered absolute trash college defensive coaching than I wonder what he would've done with just average coaching; you'd have been a bigger fan of his than me, and everyone knows how big a fan of Huff I was and still am. Don't get my boy NY started; he's asked me numerous times if I were his cousin lol.

He was not used poorly; what made him slip was people getting caught up in 40 times and some injury concern. The tape did all the talking; it was very very easy to see that he would work and outperform his draft slot. But what do I know; I'm just a fan who isn't an NFL coach or work in a front office, so that makes me know nothing about football

This thread is getting a little bit narky. Let's try to make it a little bit more pleasant here.

Originally posted by English:
This thread is getting a little bit narky. Let's try to make it a little bit more pleasant here.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idk how I feel about us having the oldest draft class in the nfl.

in a way, I guess it means these guys should be more ready to contribute now. In an effort to win now.

ultimately, not many players across the league last 6+ years with a team in general. Most of our guys (Pearsall, this whole draft etc). Will be pushing 30 when their contract is up. So IMO, if we resign them, it'll be more a short term contract. Which can cause salary cap issuses.

hopefully it results in a SB but it'll be interesting to folllw

Even stars who get drafted rarely last more than 7 years on their original team. Look at Deebo, Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill, etc.

Even if everybody in the Niners draft class is a star - it's very unlikely they'd make it past year 7 even if they were still producing. Team needs change, players want new scenery, etc.

Really the only exception are star QBs, for the obvious reasons.

Drafted age of 24 or 25 means nothing in practical terms.

I'm hoping it means guys are more mature and ready to hit the ground running. Some guys need a year or 2 to get caught up and learn to be a pro. Hopefully with the way things are now, players are better prepared to be pros and contribute faster.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol yeah, the team isn't only looking at highlight tape and selecting them off of that. Kyle essentially said that if their best plays aren't enticing, why watch anything else.

if that's the norm in the nfl - that kinda explains why a lot of guys come out of no where later in the draft. Kittle is a perfect example, all his best plays in college were blocking because of the system he played in. He rarely was thrown to.

Theres a ton of talented dudes who are under used in college or used out of place. Or just bad coaching. Like Hufunga - his college defensive coaching was absolute trash. So he was really an all pro talent but poorly used and it crashed his draft position.

the other thing is that there's only so many dudes who can do great in any system. Most guys more fit schemes and do well but they get drafted to a bad team or a scheme that doesn't fit.

this stuff and tons of other variables make
tbe draft a crap shoot

Did you pull that one out from where the sun don't shine?

Huff was the PAC-12 defensive player of the year and a consensus first team all American. Lead USC in tackles, interceptions, and forced fumbles. If he can do that with what you considered absolute trash college defensive coaching than I wonder what he would've done with just average coaching; you'd have been a bigger fan of his than me, and everyone knows how big a fan of Huff I was and still am. Don't get my boy NY started; he's asked me numerous times if I were his cousin lol.

He was not used poorly; what made him slip was people getting caught up in 40 times and some injury concern. The tape did all the talking; it was very very easy to see that he would work and outperform his draft slot. But what do I know; I'm just a fan who isn't an NFL coach or work in a front office, so that makes me know nothing about football

lol if it was so obvious he would be a good nfl player, specifically an all pro, the entire league wouldn't of let him make it to the fifth round. He was projected as a special teams player. His defensive coordinator wasn't retained. His entire defense during his tenure was one of the worst by any big program in the country.

2020 was only 6 games and it was a super weird time for sports. A lot of players in college and pros said it was super weird playing games the way they were. PAC12 was such a POS that any good program left. For like a decade straight that entire conference was bottom of the barrel. I watch USC football. I grew up on it. Lol

USC defense was a disaster. It really still is.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by tankle104:

TURN THIS ALL THE WAY UP: #Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just said consensus rankings don't run the draft board.

Many times Baltimore ranked players way higher than the media/public… and those same players were drafted right where the Ravens valued them.

Translation: Fans obsess over… pic.twitter.com/pqNyKKMsB2

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) April 30, 2026

This is exactly what Kyle said to Rich Eisen when talking about Black and Stribling. But somehow the numbnuts on this forum will still glaze the Ravens while calling for our top brass to be fired.

Maybe because the Ravens draft starters and players that will make an impact, while Kyle and John draft players that won't see the field for 1-3 years...if ever...while having gaping holes in the starting lineup?

I find it funny how people accuse others of being numbnuts or wanna-be Mel Kipers, while defending Kyle and John...when Kyle comes out and admits he just watches highlight reels and John admits they don't have a clue what other teams might do that will affect the draft around them.

That's the kind of intellectually dishonest argumentation typical in those numb of nuts.

A) video packages prepared by scouts are not "highlight reels." And the amount of prep that goes into each pick incorporates a ton of discussion, collaboration, meetings, etc. I get why you want to make Kyle look like a lazy idiot, but I'm not dumb and I see through your b******t, and if you actually believe that b******t, then you have bigger problem to worry about.

B) Yeah, teams don't know each others' draft boards. Kyle told Eisen that they hear whispers and know what kind of players certain teams tend to go for, but at the end of the day, teams tend to keep their picks closely guarded since you know this is a multi-billion dollar league built on exploiting any competitive advantage.

Kyle literally calls them "Highlight tapes" multiple times. But apparently you know more about what he watches than he does!

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by tankle104:

TURN THIS ALL THE WAY UP: #Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just said consensus rankings don't run the draft board.

Many times Baltimore ranked players way higher than the media/public… and those same players were drafted right where the Ravens valued them.

Translation: Fans obsess over… pic.twitter.com/pqNyKKMsB2

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) April 30, 2026

This is exactly what Kyle said to Rich Eisen when talking about Black and Stribling. But somehow the numbnuts on this forum will still glaze the Ravens while calling for our top brass to be fired.

Maybe because the Ravens draft starters and players that will make an impact, while Kyle and John draft players that won't see the field for 1-3 years...if ever...while having gaping holes in the starting lineup?

I find it funny how people accuse others of being numbnuts or wanna-be Mel Kipers, while defending Kyle and John...when Kyle comes out and admits he just watches highlight reels and John admits they don't have a clue what other teams might do that will affect the draft around them.

Other than LG & FS, what gaping holes in the lineup are there? I don't see any others.

Other than the two you mentioned, how many more does there need to be? Look at the FA market and what is left. We can possibly sign an old RG and hope he does well on the left side. And the safety market is garbage.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by tankle104:

TURN THIS ALL THE WAY UP: #Ravens GM Eric DeCosta just said consensus rankings don't run the draft board.

Many times Baltimore ranked players way higher than the media/public… and those same players were drafted right where the Ravens valued them.

Translation: Fans obsess over… pic.twitter.com/pqNyKKMsB2

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) April 30, 2026

This is exactly what Kyle said to Rich Eisen when talking about Black and Stribling. But somehow the numbnuts on this forum will still glaze the Ravens while calling for our top brass to be fired.

Maybe because the Ravens draft starters and players that will make an impact, while Kyle and John draft players that won't see the field for 1-3 years...if ever...while having gaping holes in the starting lineup?

I find it funny how people accuse others of being numbnuts or wanna-be Mel Kipers, while defending Kyle and John...when Kyle comes out and admits he just watches highlight reels and John admits they don't have a clue what other teams might do that will affect the draft around them.

That's the kind of intellectually dishonest argumentation typical in those numb of nuts.

A) video packages prepared by scouts are not "highlight reels." And the amount of prep that goes into each pick incorporates a ton of discussion, collaboration, meetings, etc. I get why you want to make Kyle look like a lazy idiot, but I'm not dumb and I see through your b******t, and if you actually believe that b******t, then you have bigger problem to worry about.

B) Yeah, teams don't know each others' draft boards. Kyle told Eisen that they hear whispers and know what kind of players certain teams tend to go for, but at the end of the day, teams tend to keep their picks closely guarded since you know this is a multi-billion dollar league built on exploiting any competitive advantage.

This.

The guy with random letters and numbers talking out of his ass.

If you think 4216 are "random numbers" on a 49ers board, it shows what a recent casual fan you are. Not surprising from someone glazing over Gore. But just so you know, this team used to win Super Bowls. A lot. So older fans want more than just going to the playoffs. Participation trophies just don't mean as much to some of us. And as far as "talking out my ass", I've been picking better drafts since 2000 when I first started tracking. I called for us to draft Brian Urlacher in the 1st that year. Oh...you probably don't know...he was defensive rookie of the year...8 time pro bowler...4 time all pro...and Hall Of Famer.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Funny he mentions the "numbnuts" on this forum. The same numbnuts has been putting out better drafts in the first three rounds than Kyle/John over the years. It's all there in all the shadow drafts and draft discussion threads

And so now the truth reveals itself. It's not just that the 49ers FO doesn't know what they're doing but the fans know better. If you'd just said that in the first place, I could have started ignoring your posts much sooner

Oh no please don't ignore me 49ers81!! That would hurt my feelings cause it means so much to me that you read my post

Never said that the 49ers FO doesn't know what they are doing or that the fans know better. But when people start calling everyone here numb nuts and act like nobody knows nothing about football but the 49ers FO and what they say is gospel; that's just as ignorant. Guys here put in a lot of time and effort in the lead up to the drafts and to just s**t all over it by calling them numb nuts is childish and immature; especially when like I said, the proof is all there that people beyond just the FO knows what they are talking about.

Did you really just say some random dude on his phone making mock drafts on simulators and eating Doritos know more or as much as our coaches, scouts and front office?

WTF did I just read??

Man some of you go overboard with extreme examples to try and prove a point. That's not at all what I said but if you want to interpret it that way then you do you my man.

My point was that people here know what they are talking about too. Obviously not everyone; but just because we aren't coaches or working in NFL front offices does not mean that the "fans" don't know s**t about football and we should agree with and take everything that the 49ers coach's/FO say and do come draft time as gospel. Their draft history in rounds 1-3 suggests to do quite the opposite if we being honest with ourselves.

I mean the easiest example is the freaking Jake Moody in the 3rd and Cam Latu picks. Both HUGE reaches and the majority of this fan board hated it. Who was right? Many random dudes on their phones making mock drafts on simulators knew more than the coaches/scouts and front office on that. And there's more examples if you been following the drafts with this regime in the draft discussion threads and shadow drafts. It's all there.

The amount of time OTC puts in on prospects and making his spreadsheets for us. Mad Dog was amazing with his rankings and lead up stuff to the draft. Phoenix provides us with so many prospect threads to read up on in the months leading up to the draft. NY with all the tweets. Adrianlesnar already got 2027 stuff taking place and that man is ALWAYS discussing prospects throughout the entire year. I can go on and on. Gotta mention my boys Heroisms expertise on DL and Hysterikals DB knowledge.

So when someone calls everyone numb nuts and people keep saying that nobody knows nothing about football, etc etc etc, I wholeheartedly disagree cause I'm in the discussions with those guys and respect the hell out of their opinions. They know football. Even you Sask, based on posts I've seen from you, I respect those too and would say that you are someone who knows the game.

Sorry for the very long winded response; but that was my point. Go Niners

Appreciate the call-out

Look, I won't disagree there are some casual observers that are not so great at talent evaluation. Not long after I got into draft evals (Alex Smith days), I actually studied the way Bill Walsh evaluated prospects and a lot of his methodology matched my own. I also learned other things to look for and have had a lot of success in this.

Could I have gone into scouting? Yes. But I did not and do not want the lifestyle of a scout. 20 years ago I took a long hard look at the pros and cons and honestly what they had to deal with seemed pretty sucky, so I declined to pursue it. Scouts will get more Intel on psychological and personal aspects, but if that stuff isn't an issue, and if you can judge tape well, you will hit a lot.

So yeah, I get it, it's not my official occupation and can't be called more than a hobby, but I'm not a clueless observer. FWIW, I don't necessarily think the poster who was saying that was talking about guys like myself, Hero, Phoenix, etc, but more the loudmouths on social media and other places who consistently sound dumb with constant dumb football takes.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Idk how I feel about us having the oldest draft class in the nfl.

in a way, I guess it means these guys should be more ready to contribute now. In an effort to win now.

ultimately, not many players across the league last 6+ years with a team in general. Most of our guys (Pearsall, this whole draft etc). Will be pushing 30 when their contract is up. So IMO, if we resign them, it'll be more a short term contract. Which can cause salary cap issuses.

hopefully it results in a SB but it'll be interesting to folllw

Even stars who get drafted rarely last more than 7 years on their original team. Look at Deebo, Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill, etc.

Even if everybody in the Niners draft class is a star - it's very unlikely they'd make it past year 7 even if they were still producing. Team needs change, players want new scenery, etc.

Really the only exception are star QBs, for the obvious reasons.

Drafted age of 24 or 25 means nothing in practical terms.

Agree, and I'll just add that injuries will - unfortunately - cut a talented players career short. Kinlaw and Drake's careers with the 49ers were cut short by injuries. They were already marginal players in a sense, and the loss of development time due to rehab and loss of strength/mobility/explosiveness due to injury will - unfortunately - cut a players career much shorter than if no injury.