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Originally posted by WINiner:
This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.

And baalke would screw it up. He passed on A. Hutchenson which was a classic baalke.
Originally posted by CardinalGold:
Originally posted by WINiner:
This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.
It was 3 first round picks for Lance so the total first round picks spent by Lynch/Shanahan is 9 so far, not 7.

And out of the 9 picks used, we netted just 2 studs as you pointed out, 4 busts, and one ok player who was not retained

Thats pretty rough
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by CardinalGold:
Originally posted by WINiner:
This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.
It was 3 first round picks for Lance so the total first round picks spent by Lynch/Shanahan is 9 so far, not 7.

And out of the 9 picks used, we netted just 2 studs as you pointed out, 4 busts, and one ok player who was not retained

Thats pretty rough
get Scott McCloughan as a draft consultant
Originally posted by GLT49ers:
Originally posted by WINiner:
This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.

And baalke would screw it up. He passed on A. Hutchenson which was a classic baalke.

Got to think Harbaugh didn't let Baalke in the building or give him much information
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by CardinalGold:
Originally posted by WINiner:
This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.
It was 3 first round picks for Lance so the total first round picks spent by Lynch/Shanahan is 9 so far, not 7.

And out of the 9 picks used, we netted just 2 studs as you pointed out, 4 busts, and one ok player who was not retained

Thats pretty rough

EOTY.
  • Jcool
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COriginally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We would've had at least one Super Bowl title in the last 3 years if that idiotic trade for Lance wouldn't have happened. Would've had either a little bit better o line, more solid secondary, or a little more depth. But nope. The worst trade of all time was made and generally accepted on this board. Unreal.

This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.

McGlinchy, Bosa, Kinlaw, Aiyuke and maybe Lance are all not busts so that is at lest 4 out of 7 players or 5 out of 7 if Lance ends up starting somewhere.
Originally posted by Jcool:
COriginally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We would've had at least one Super Bowl title in the last 3 years if that idiotic trade for Lance wouldn't have happened. Would've had either a little bit better o line, more solid secondary, or a little more depth. But nope. The worst trade of all time was made and generally accepted on this board. Unreal.

This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.

McGlinchy, Bosa, Kinlaw, Aiyuke and maybe Lance are all not busts so that is at lest 4 out of 7 players or 5 out of 7 if Lance ends up starting somewhere.

Bro you aren't being real with yourself if you don't think Kinlaw and Lance are busts.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Jcool:
COriginally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We would've had at least one Super Bowl title in the last 3 years if that idiotic trade for Lance wouldn't have happened. Would've had either a little bit better o line, more solid secondary, or a little more depth. But nope. The worst trade of all time was made and generally accepted on this board. Unreal.

This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.

McGlinchy, Bosa, Kinlaw, Aiyuke and maybe Lance are all not busts so that is at lest 4 out of 7 players or 5 out of 7 if Lance ends up starting somewhere.

Bro you aren't being real with yourself if you don't think Kinlaw and Lance are busts.

If they actually drafted better in the first round (so weird their firsts are below par when they find all pro's in the middle and late rounds) we would be that much deadlier. I always said its a black eye on this regime. That first draft was pretty bad aside Kittle.

In fact recent drafts have been pretty bad. They need to do way better otherwise its gonna get mediocre around here real fast.
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Originally posted by Jcool:
COriginally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We would've had at least one Super Bowl title in the last 3 years if that idiotic trade for Lance wouldn't have happened. Would've had either a little bit better o line, more solid secondary, or a little more depth. But nope. The worst trade of all time was made and generally accepted on this board. Unreal.

This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.

McGlinchy, Bosa, Kinlaw, Aiyuke and maybe Lance are all not busts so that is at lest 4 out of 7 players or 5 out of 7 if Lance ends up starting somewhere.



You had me there for a second.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Jcool:
COriginally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We would've had at least one Super Bowl title in the last 3 years if that idiotic trade for Lance wouldn't have happened. Would've had either a little bit better o line, more solid secondary, or a little more depth. But nope. The worst trade of all time was made and generally accepted on this board. Unreal.

This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.

McGlinchy, Bosa, Kinlaw, Aiyuke and maybe Lance are all not busts so that is at lest 4 out of 7 players or 5 out of 7 if Lance ends up starting somewhere.

Bro you aren't being real with yourself if you don't think Kinlaw and Lance are busts.

If they actually drafted better in the first round (so weird their firsts are below par when they find all pro's in the middle and late rounds) we would be that much deadlier. I always said its a black eye on this regime. That first draft was pretty bad aside Kittle.

In fact recent drafts have been pretty bad. They need to do way better otherwise its gonna get mediocre around here real fast.

Exactly. At the very least hit on some guys that can be depth. And to add injury to insult is this
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/179092-49ers-javon-hargrave-free-agent-signings/

Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Jcool:
COriginally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
We would've had at least one Super Bowl title in the last 3 years if that idiotic trade for Lance wouldn't have happened. Would've had either a little bit better o line, more solid secondary, or a little more depth. But nope. The worst trade of all time was made and generally accepted on this board. Unreal.

This is a perfectionist way of thinking, but extremely unlikely based on history. The 49ers have more 1st round busts than they do successes since Shanahan arrived.

17 Thomas and Foster (Both busts for the 49ers)
18 Mike McGlinchy (Not retained beyond rookie contract)
19 Nick Bosa (Stud DPOY but the obvious choice for anyone much less a professional GM)
20 Kinlaw and Aiyuk (Disappointment that's unlikely to be resigned and a stud)
21 Trey Lance (Traded after 2 seasons)

Bosa was an obvious gimme that only Trent Baalke would have effed up so if you remove that obvious pick the 49ers have 1 really good player and one ok player who they didn't retain and let walk in the 7 1st round picks the that have made under Lynch/Shanahan.

McGlinchy, Bosa, Kinlaw, Aiyuke and maybe Lance are all not busts so that is at lest 4 out of 7 players or 5 out of 7 if Lance ends up starting somewhere.

Bro you aren't being real with yourself if you don't think Kinlaw and Lance are busts.

If they actually drafted better in the first round (so weird their firsts are below par when they find all pro's in the middle and late rounds) we would be that much deadlier. I always said its a black eye on this regime. That first draft was pretty bad aside Kittle.

In fact recent drafts have been pretty bad. They need to do way better otherwise its gonna get mediocre around here real fast.

Exactly. At the very least hit on some guys that can be depth. And to add injury to insult is this
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/179092-49ers-javon-hargrave-free-agent-signings/

Yeah he wasn't nearly the impact they had hoped. AA being out a ton didn't help either, but yeah, aside o line we need a mammoth DT in there.
It struck me seeing JL at the Combine that he's come a long way as a GM. He exuded confidence without being cocky, answered questions in a comfortable, yet assured manner. With the FA period less than a week away, I have complete faith he's once again gonna kill it. I'd expect Al-Shaair to be at the top of his list and Hassan Ridgeway close by. Here are 3 OL he may also delve into to upgrade our right side. It makes perfect sense to rebuild the OL much the same way KC did after they lost to the Bucs. It'll take a mixture of FA and the draft to get it done. Fortunately, this is a very good year for OL in the draft. Any of these 3 FA's would be a good start. They are Mike Onwenu (Pats)...the top guy in this short list. Another is Robert Hunt, OG from Miami and OT Jonah Williams (Cincy). Signing 1 FA OL and drafting two more could be the formula to right the ship.
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I wonder if they make a run at DJ Reader in FA. 29, 330 pound space eater, run stuffer, would help stop that inside rush
Originally posted by BP13:
I wonder if they make a run at DJ Reader in FA. 29, 330 pound space eater, run stuffer, would help stop that inside rush

If you look at what he's projected to get in free agency, it's extremely unlikely. Not good use of resources, either. There will be plenty of run stopping IDL in the free agency and draft.
You guys are sniffing coke if you think this regime is about to pay for a guard in FA. Hope I'm wrong though b/c they need to
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