Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
^^^this is true, but having the world's best WR doesn't help much if JG is getting plastered every time he drops back. That is where the chicken and the egg conundrum is OL first to protect your FR QB. We already have au Jus, Kittle, Deebo, Mostert, Coleman, Brieda, as bona fide good receivers. But we also have Jet coming back, Hurd supposedly ready, and TT coming back. Those last 3 are ???but i assume one will answer the bell, and with luck two will. If all 3 do, we are loaded.
OTOH, not protecting Jimmy is a false sense of economy. Not protecting your main man is rolling the dice. Now having some guys who can block pass pro, is one thing. But having a substitute Center and two OGs that are just flat out bad in pass pro...somehow, that just doesn't make sense. Not good sense, any way.
We took 2 WRs in two early picks last yr, one had a good yr , the other injured. Now we can no longer turn a blind eye to the elephant in the room (and on the OL)...lousy pass pro. That to me says OL at #13, altho if someone wants to move up for that pick to get a great WR, fine, we drop back 1, maybe two slots and still get our OL....and pick up a 2nd pick (in rd 2).
Then at #31 if there is a starter OL there, (even if he needs a yr of coaching up), take him...but if he can be had a couple picks later, move down, get another extra pick, and then nail down our 2nd OL pick, only 1-2 slots later. You want a WR, get him with our extra pick for moving down for OL. Or if john has a good read on an OL in mid rd 2, trade back for him.
But no matter what we have to protect our QB this yr, something we risked last yr. We got lucky, jimmy didn't get injured. We have no business doing that again this yr.
A nightmare draft for me is kyle taking WRs at #13 and #31. If he does that it will be unconscionable. I just hope JL can keep a lid on Kyle's WR demands. After 2. OLs, fire away. Take WRs. But we also need cover corners, 2 of them. Also we need a substitute for Dee Ford for when he can't go which last yr was 3/4 of the plays, 226 snaps for 16 games. And he tried to play in SB, but his hammy just wouldn't let him. So that ER needs to be basically a guy who can be coached up to start.
Honestly, by rights, it seems a better idea for kyle to depend on Hurd, Jet, and TT plus Brieda, Mostert, Wilson, Coleman, au Jus, Kittle, Deebo, and don't forget Dwelley who will be ready to be a starter TE this yr....instead of drafting yet another WR early.. If he wants a WR, take one in rds 5,6, 7. But it is short sighted to take WRs before we get our OLs, CBs, DE. Do those first and THEN do WRs. Please just don't have another pair of WRs taken in early rds.
Here's the problem- you acknowledged IOL as a weakness, but what IOL are worth drafting that high unless you want to take a tackle and move them to guard.
Also, the difference between taking the receiver in the 1st verses one later as you suggested, is that the receivers projected for the first round this year have skillsets where they can start right now. We don't need a 5th, 6th, or 7th round receiver at the moment. It's better for Kyle to have a counter punch to what we already have. It's even better if said counter punch isn't a one trick pony (Ruggs is no one trick pony).
With that said, I do hope a guard is a priority with our pick at 31. Hoping for a trade down (or possibly 2) so we can pick up a guard and 1 or 2 defenders (corner and edge).
Agree completely about the IOL being an OT who we use at OG until Joe hangs 'em up.
As for the shiny WR at #13 , he will be there. But i just can''t see us not getting a starter OT for OG work this yr and next, if one is available. Check that: IF, IF, JL rates him as highly as the consensus does. And we are at a disadvantage here, in that we don't know if JL looks at the several OTs as Mike McG types or Kwame Harris / Chilo Rachael types. Bottom line : that will determine what happens.
If one OT only is highly desired by JL/KS, and he is gone at #12, ok, if no other OT is outstanding and ready to take over RG immediately, then one of the whiz bang kids from Roll Tide is fine by me. Everyone has seen their tapes, both Ala kids and the other from ?? (Drawing a blank). But they all are talented. Still if our HC/GM rates the OT available at #13 as McG caliber, my bet is take him. Again, nobody knows how JL/Kyle rate these OLs.
Based off who they have spoken to, I think they target one on Day 2 with a trade down. That is unless they are totally bluffing us.
You realize, of course, just exactly "how much" kyle and John L have telegraphed us in 3 previous drafts. ZERO. ZERO. These two guys are the most closed mouthed HC/GM in the business, and you "ain't gettin' nuthin'" out of either one. Anything said or unsaid by JL/KS has to be disregarded. I bet they don't tell their own wives. And you know what? I couldn't be happier . The less said the better. Only one way we find out what is on their minds, and it may not be their primary want...and that is only after they have made a pick. If they had desperately wanted a guy who just got picked, we will never know it. That is really the only way a HC/GM can operate if they want to both draft and deal in the draft.
Will we ultimately find out what their real pick was? Nope. Never. Ever. And more power to them for being so unforthcoming. You show me a GM/HC with loose lips and i'll Show you a loser. In a way KK at AZ helped us out a ton, when his quote, if i were a HC and Kyle Murray was available, i'd Take him in a heartbeat. He had already played his hand when a month before draft he sounded like a used car salesman, trying to unload a lemon first pick in the draft. We sat on our hands and ended up with the best player in the draft and we picked 2nd, and gave up nada...NOTHING. Kudos to our guys.
Kliff K's b.s. was almost laughable, because of that one statement going back to when before he was HC at AZ , he was still HC at Tx Tech.
My spoken to comment was about player interviews, not any media comments. I think we are getting an OL guy later. Though it could be a Mike McGlinchey type thing with our 1st pick (who they never spoke to if I'm correct), so your point is taken.
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by stefano89:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Could we actually go QB with one of our first round picks and trade one of our back-ups? This would give KS a QB to groom for the future while also getting us more late round picks.
Let's face it, JG isn't a young QB and we have no one waiting in the wings right now. If one of the top QB's falls to us at #13 or #31 should we simply pass on him?
your joking right
I have no idea why everyone in the media and even some of our fans have such a hard-on for getting Jimmy kicked off this team.
He just completed his first full season. Coming off an ACL tear. He had a 100 passer rating, and we had a 10-point lead in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl.
This needs to stop. QB is not a concern for this team.
A lot of them here weren't here for the Rattay, Dorsey, Pickett, O'Sullivan, Weinke, Troy Smith, Dilfer, Alex before Harbaugh. They don't know when a good qb comes along
Put me down with FredFlint, Stefano, and Fanatico...getting a QB to groom with our 1st pick (#13) is like going to the Emergency Room with a heart attack and asking them to help you with a cut on your finger. QB we don't need, and JimmyG isn't old. The guy he was being groomed by BB turned 42 last season, and still played as well as the top half of QBs in the league . Based on the Patriot model, that would give jimmyG another 14 yrs. Now i don't expect that from him but another 8 yrs , maybe 10...I'd love it if he played that long for us. As for having a 2nd QB, we do already, in Mullie. So no to QB for several good reasons.
As for burning our #13 and #31 picks on QB, fuggedaboudit. Not going to happen, when we desperately need IOLs, 3 really, if Richburg isn't fully recovered. And his backup...didn't work out.(see last qtr of SB film). Both OGs, good run blockers, lousy at pass pro. We got rid of one, but we need 2 that can protect our FRanchise guy. If one of the IOLs happens to be able to play Center, jump on him with both feet.
If we were to fill IOLs, (and by that i mean OTs who we slide over to OGs for a yr, maybe 2), next order of bizness is CBs who can cover. A pair please, but certainly need one. Best hope here if not taken in first rd, would be a Corner who has it, but might still need some coaching up...fine...take him. Or if one of the two IOLs are gone, could be a cover Corner there.
Lastly, which seems to be on many fans front burner, would be WR. By rights one of the top 3 should be there at #13, but if so, I hope we get our OL(OT) and trade down a slot or two picking up another rd two pick, plus our OT (for IOL). After that if a 2nd IOL is available at #31 and more importantly is judged by JL/kyle to be a real talent, get him. If they don't like hm that well, maybe get one of the many WRs , again, only if KS/JL really like him. I would rather we get CB before WR and fill WR last. If at #13 neither OL nor CB are worthy, go ahead and take one of the Bama boys at WR. But that would be my 3rd choice.
No point in drafting an IOL (who is reallly an OT) with either #13 or #31 if JL/KS aren't really sold on him. So it all depends on just how good that IOL or CB is at either of those slots, and if both positions look just so so, then take the WR. But, for both picks, see iif we can peddle that slot and still get our guy by dropping down1 or two slots , picking up another pick in rd 2.
We talk about BPA a lot, but the real critical issue is "how do JL and KS evaluate the talent there at our slot." In order I would hope IOL, CB, WR. But if both IOL and CB are not great players, then take the shiny WR. Same thing goes for him, tho. Just depends how high JL/KS value him. And that is where our picking on the WZ breaks down. Because none of us have any idea of how JL//KS value the guys there at #13 and #31. I should have added in an ER, also.
I want an IOL (OT) but not if JL has a low rating on him. Same can be said for CB and WR. We just don't know their opinions on players which makes it impossible to know who they take. Last yr at #1, it wasn't hard. With the 2nd pick in the draft we got the draft's best player. Nobody was surprised. This yr...entirely different story and way different draft positions.