Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
^^^this is true, but having the world's best WR doesn't help much if JG is getting plastered every time he drops back. That is where the chicken and the egg conundrum is OL first to protect your FR QB. We already have au Jus, Kittle, Deebo, Mostert, Coleman, Brieda, as bona fide good receivers. But we also have Jet coming back, Hurd supposedly ready, and TT coming back. Those last 3 are ???but i assume one will answer the bell, and with luck two will. If all 3 do, we are loaded.
OTOH, not protecting Jimmy is a false sense of economy. Not protecting your main man is rolling the dice. Now having some guys who can block pass pro, is one thing. But having a substitute Center and two OGs that are just flat out bad in pass pro...somehow, that just doesn't make sense. Not good sense, any way.
We took 2 WRs in two early picks last yr, one had a good yr , the other injured. Now we can no longer turn a blind eye to the elephant in the room (and on the OL)...lousy pass pro. That to me says OL at #13, altho if someone wants to move up for that pick to get a great WR, fine, we drop back 1, maybe two slots and still get our OL....and pick up a 2nd pick (in rd 2).
Then at #31 if there is a starter OL there, (even if he needs a yr of coaching up), take him...but if he can be had a couple picks later, move down, get another extra pick, and then nail down our 2nd OL pick, only 1-2 slots later. You want a WR, get him with our extra pick for moving down for OL. Or if john has a good read on an OL in mid rd 2, trade back for him.
But no matter what we have to protect our QB this yr, something we risked last yr. We got lucky, jimmy didn't get injured. We have no business doing that again this yr.
A nightmare draft for me is kyle taking WRs at #13 and #31. If he does that it will be unconscionable. I just hope JL can keep a lid on Kyle's WR demands. After 2. OLs, fire away. Take WRs. But we also need cover corners, 2 of them. Also we need a substitute for Dee Ford for when he can't go which last yr was 3/4 of the plays, 226 snaps for 16 games. And he tried to play in SB, but his hammy just wouldn't let him. So that ER needs to be basically a guy who can be coached up to start.
Honestly, by rights, it seems a better idea for kyle to depend on Hurd, Jet, and TT plus Brieda, Mostert, Wilson, Coleman, au Jus, Kittle, Deebo, and don't forget Dwelley who will be ready to be a starter TE this yr....instead of drafting yet another WR early.. If he wants a WR, take one in rds 5,6, 7. But it is short sighted to take WRs before we get our OLs, CBs, DE. Do those first and THEN do WRs. Please just don't have another pair of WRs taken in early rds.
Here's the problem- you acknowledged IOL as a weakness, but what IOL are worth drafting that high unless you want to take a tackle and move them to guard.
Also, the difference between taking the receiver in the 1st verses one later as you suggested, is that the receivers projected for the first round this year have skillsets where they can start right now. We don't need a 5th, 6th, or 7th round receiver at the moment. It's better for Kyle to have a counter punch to what we already have. It's even better if said counter punch isn't a one trick pony (Ruggs is no one trick pony).
With that said, I do hope a guard is a priority with our pick at 31. Hoping for a trade down (or possibly 2) so we can pick up a guard and 1 or 2 defenders (corner and edge).
Agree completely about the IOL being an OT who we use at OG until Joe hangs 'em up.
As for the shiny WR at #13 , he will be there. But i just can''t see us not getting a starter OT for OG work this yr and next, if one is available. Check that: IF, IF, JL rates him as highly as the consensus does. And we are at a disadvantage here, in that we don't know if JL looks at the several OTs as Mike McG types or Kwame Harris / Chilo Rachael types. Bottom line : that will determine what happens.
If one OT only is highly desired by JL/KS, and he is gone at #12, ok, if no other OT is outstanding and ready to take over RG immediately, then one of the whiz bang kids from Roll Tide is fine by me. Everyone has seen their tapes, both Ala kids and the other from ?? (Drawing a blank). But they all are talented. Still if our HC/GM rates the OT available at #13 as McG caliber, my bet is take him. Again, nobody knows how JL/Kyle rate these OLs.
Based off who they have spoken to, I think they target one on Day 2 with a trade down. That is unless they are totally bluffing us.
You realize, of course, just exactly "how much" kyle and John L have telegraphed us in 3 previous drafts. ZERO. ZERO. These two guys are the most closed mouthed HC/GM in the business, and you "ain't gettin' nuthin'" out of either one. Anything said or unsaid by JL/KS has to be disregarded. I bet they don't tell their own wives. And you know what? I couldn't be happier . The less said the better. Only one way we find out what is on their minds, and it may not be their primary want...and that is only after they have made a pick. If they had desperately wanted a guy who just got picked, we will never know it. That is really the only way a HC/GM can operate if they want to both draft and deal in the draft.
Will we ultimately find out what their real pick was? Nope. Never. Ever. And more power to them for being so unforthcoming. You show me a GM/HC with loose lips and i'll Show you a loser. In a way KK at AZ helped us out a ton, when his quote, if i were a HC and Kyle Murray was available, i'd Take him in a heartbeat. He had already played his hand when a month before draft he sounded like a used car salesman, trying to unload a lemon first pick in the draft. We sat on our hands and ended up with the best player in the draft and we picked 2nd, and gave up nada...NOTHING. Kudos to our guys.
Kliff K's b.s. was almost laughable, because of that one statement going back to when before he was HC at AZ , he was still HC at Tx Tech.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Apr 10, 2020 at 11:59 AM ]