DeForest Buckner Traded to the Colts | Page 369

Jun 27, 2019 at 1:47 PM

Young2Rice
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by English:
The title of this thread is:

DeForest Buckner DE - 7th overall pick

Really? Cause I thought this thread was titled, "What qualifies a player to be a superstar? AKA the most annoying debate in 2019 thread"

This happens a lot on the forum. In this case someone referred to Buckner as an elite player and it morphed into 'what is a superstar'. It's easy to lose site of what the original thread was. Probably should have been it's own thread.

I don't see anything wrong with debating whether Bucker is a superstar. That requires defining what a superstar is. Totally debatable.

What else is there to discuss about our best player, in June? lol

To me, a superstar is more than just what they do between the lines.

[ Edited by Young2Rice on Jun 27, 2019 at 1:48 PM ]

Jun 27, 2019 at 1:51 PM

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Waterbear
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Really? Cause I thought this thread was titled, "What qualifies a player to be a superstar? AKA the most annoying debate in 2019 thread"

most annoying? for realz?

I mean there's some pretty bad ones in here

I know right?! Like debating if an old kicker should be tagged but Gould is not old for a kicker but he is too old for the tag.

Jun 27, 2019 at 3:36 PM

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Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It all comes down to the opinion of those who know nothing about football?

I thought we were talking about football ability and value in the market.

I understand the sentiment, but real question:

Do you think Chris Jones is a superstar?

If not Buckner definitely isn't either.

I think Buckner is the second best player at his position and the best 49er on the team and I think SuperStar is an subjective term that can mean a lot of different things to different people.
I don't think of any football player as a Super Star.

I guess I'll take that as a "no."

Edit: And just so I'm doing more than being cryptic. I'd comfortably refer to Buckner with the following terms: "fan favorite," "local hero," "ascending player."

As 9ers fans we can call him whatever we want and insist he *will be* whatever we want, but nationally, I don't think he even has the reputation of Chris Jones, and for good reason.

I don't think of any player as a superstar, who cares about notoriety?

Buckner is a better football player than Jones.

[ Edited by TheWooLick on Jun 27, 2019 at 3:37 PM ]

Jun 27, 2019 at 3:54 PM

#5524

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Really? Cause I thought this thread was titled, "What qualifies a player to be a superstar? AKA the most annoying debate in 2019 thread"

most annoying? for realz?

I mean there's some pretty bad ones in here

that's a very fair point

Jun 27, 2019 at 3:59 PM

#5525

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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Really? Cause I thought this thread was titled, "What qualifies a player to be a superstar? AKA the most annoying debate in 2019 thread"

most annoying? for realz?

I mean there's some pretty bad ones in here

that's a very fair point

I'm sure it will get worse as the summer goes on. Always does.

Anyways, anyone have anything to say about buck that isn't "superstar related"?

Jun 27, 2019 at 4:37 PM

#5526

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Glad to see we all agree that he aint there yet... as for a newer Bucko topic..

would 6 sacks be a disappointment to everyone??

Jun 27, 2019 at 6:03 PM

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Didn't he get 12 last year?

Originally posted by 9moon:
Glad to see we all agree that he aint there yet... as for a newer Bucko topic..

would 6 sacks be a disappointment to everyone??

Jun 27, 2019 at 6:37 PM

#5528

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Originally posted by Heroism:
Defensive tackle isn't generally a position that produces superstars anyway. Guys that are known by people who may or may not even watch football. Aaron Donald is the best interior defensive lineman in the NFL, maybe the best of his generation, possibly one of the best in NFL history and I don't even think he would qualify as a superstar, not if we're going by a definition of fame/recognition by people who don't watch football.

I understand what you mean about a DT. Which also brings up what actually makes a player a hall of famer. Imo way to many players in the NFL hall of fame aren't worthy.

Jun 29, 2019 at 12:42 PM

#5529

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I really hope they are actually working on getting his deal signed, sealed and delivered.

Jun 29, 2019 at 2:53 PM

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Originally posted by 9moon:
Glad to see we all agree that he aint there yet... as for a newer Bucko topic..

would 6 sacks be a disappointment to everyone??

That's depends. How did Ford, Bosa and Thomas/AA do?

It's more about his impact on the game when he is in. If he's getting doubled, which allows someone else to win one-on-one's, I'm all for it.

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Jun 29, 2019 at 2:54 PM ]

Jun 29, 2019 at 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Glad to see we all agree that he aint there yet... as for a newer Bucko topic..

would 6 sacks be a disappointment to everyone??

That's depends. How did Ford, Bosa and Thomas/AA do?

It's more about his impact on the game when he is in. If he's getting doubled, which allows someone else to win one-on-one's, I'm all for it.

Jun 29, 2019 at 4:36 PM

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Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Glad to see we all agree that he aint there yet... as for a newer Bucko topic..

would 6 sacks be a disappointment to everyone??

That's depends. How did Ford, Bosa and Thomas/AA do?

It's more about his impact on the game when he is in. If he's getting doubled, which allows someone else to win one-on-one's, I'm all for it.

there should not be any excuses for Bucko since we just loaded up the line with Ford and Bosa.

Jun 29, 2019 at 6:12 PM

#5533

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Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Glad to see we all agree that he aint there yet... as for a newer Bucko topic..

would 6 sacks be a disappointment to everyone??

That's depends. How did Ford, Bosa and Thomas/AA do?

It's more about his impact on the game when he is in. If he's getting doubled, which allows someone else to win one-on-one's, I'm all for it.

there should not be any excuses for Bucko since we just loaded up the line with Ford and Bosa.

You just quoted yourself, how has Buckner not proven himself, 12 sacks without an outside edge rush, and he's not good enough, Jesus.

Jun 29, 2019 at 6:25 PM

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CAN you find any of my post that had me telling everyone BUCKO ain't good enough???

ALL I'm trying to point out is that he's a star but not a superstar JUST yet. .

Jun 29, 2019 at 6:28 PM

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Originally posted by 9moon:
CAN you find any of my post that had me telling everyone BUCKO ain't good enough???

ALL I'm trying to point out is that he's a star but not a superstar JUST yet. .

Originally posted by 9moon:
there should not be any excuses for Bucko since we just loaded up the line with Ford and Bosa.

What are you Insinuating with your comment "there should not be any excuses for Bucko"?