Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
NC , I can only hope this is the most interesting pre season...since BW first arrived...and that we come out the other end a more settled team with veteran starters on OL (3)kand DL, OLB, ILB.
I'll tell you this, the options are wide open. It's going to be very entertaining either way. FA to set up the draft and then let the development and coaching take over!
I'm all in and excited about the possibilities.
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Feb 18, 2016 at 12:34 PM
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Feb 18, 2016 at 5:33 PM
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Here's something I wanted to post, thresholds on what the 49ers give out in deals.
QB:
Colin Kaepernick - $114M over 7 years, $19M average, $12,973,766 fully guaranteed
RB
Frank Gore – 4yr/$28.012M extension in 2007, average of $7.003M
WR
Anquan Boldin – $12M over 2 years, $6M average, $5.5M fully guaranteed
Torrey Smith - $40M over 5 years, $8M average, $8.75M fully guaranteed
TE
Vernon Davis - $36.75M over 5 years, $7.35M average, $11.112M fully guaranteed
LT
Joe Staley – Originally a 9yr/$43.66M deal in 2009, with a $12.1M roster bonus in 2009, new deal is worth $44.6M, average of $7,441,667, and has $10M fully guaranteed
RT
Anthony Davis - $37.5M over 6 years, $6,166,667 average, $8.38M fully guaranteed
DE
Justin Smith - $45M over 6 years, $7.5M average, $11M signing bonus
Ray McDonald - $20M over 5 years, $4M average, $6M fully guaranteed
OLB
Ahmad Brooks - $42M over 6 years, $7M average, $8.5M fully guaranteed
ILB
Patrick Willis - $50M over 5 years, $10M average, $15.5M fully guaranteed
NaVorro Bowman – $45.25M over 5 years, $9.05M average, $8M fully guaranteed
CB
Carlos Rogers - $30M over 4 years, $7.5M average, $8.9M fully guaranteed
Tramaine Brock - $14M over 4 years, $3.5M average, $4.55M fully guaranteed
S
Antoine Bethea - $21M over 4 years, $5.25M average, $6.25M fully guaranteed
The 49ers are also known for giving out guarantees base salaries that become fully guaranteed on a certain date, like April 1st.
Below are some examples in coming years
2016:
Kaepernick - $11.9M on April 1
Boeman - $4.17M of $5.85M at beginning of 2016 league year
Torrey Smith - $4.5M on April 1
Brock - $600K of $2.7M on April 1
They also have the following due
Gabbert - $200K roster bonus due on 5th day of new league year
Staley - $4M option bonus due on April 1
Also the following deals have guaranteed money
Reid - $1,561,467
Ward - $1,066,594
Armstead - $882,392
Tartt - $613,955
The above 4 have that because of being either 1st rounders or 2nd rounder under the new CBA
Also Eric Rogers has $100K guaranteed in his 2016 base, and Colin Kelly has $65K of his 2016 base guaranteed.
2017:
Kaepernick - $14.5M on April 1
Torrey Smith - $6.5M on April 1
Picks with guaranteed base salaries
Arsmtead - $1,329,784
2018:
Kaeperncik $5.2M of 15M on April 1
Torrey Smith - $2.25M of 6.5M on April 1
Picks:
Armstead - $1,777,178
Now they also like to give out big per game roster bonuses, some examples in the coming years.
2016:
Kaepernick - $2M
Brooks - $750K
Bowman - $750L
Staley - $500K
Torrey Smith - $500K
Bethea - $400K
Brock - $320K
Dorsey - $200K
Pears - $400K
Miller - $160K
Kilgore - $200K
2017:
Kaepernick - $2M
Staley - $500K
Torrey Smith - $500K
Bowman - $750K
Brooks - $750K
Bethea - $400K
Brock - $320K
Miller - $160K
Kilgore- $200K
Ward - $677,390 (Not per game)
2018:
Kaepernick - $2M
Bowman - $750K
Torrey Smith - $500K
Staley - $500K
2019:
Kaepernick - $2M
Smith - $500K
Staley - $500K
2020:
Kaepenrick- $2M
Also Workout Bonuses:
2016:
Kaepernick - $400K
Brooks - $100K
Staley - $200K
Torrey Smith - $1M
Bethea - $100L
Brock - $130K
Dorsey - $150K
Pears - $250K
Gabbert - $50K
Miller - $40K
Kilgore - $50K
Bellore - $50K
Kyle Nelson - $25K
Simpson - $50K
Carradine - $50K
McDonald - $100K
Tartt- $50L
Hyde - $100K
Marcus Martin - $20K
Harold - $15K
Eric Rogers - $25K
2017:
Kaepernick - $400K
Staley - $200K
Torrey Smith- $1M
Brooks - $100K
Bethea - $100K
Brock - $130K
Ward - $22,500
Miller- $40K
Kilgore - $50K
Tartt - $100K
Hyde - $100K
Nelson - $25K
Marcus Martin- $20K
Harold- $15K
2018:
Kaepernick - $400K
Torrey Smith - $1M
Staley - $200K
Tartt - $100L
Nelson - $25K
Harold - $15K
2019:
Kaepernick - $400K
Smith - $1M
Staley - $200K
2020:
Kaepernick - $400K
QB:
Colin Kaepernick - $114M over 7 years, $19M average, $12,973,766 fully guaranteed
RB
Frank Gore – 4yr/$28.012M extension in 2007, average of $7.003M
WR
Anquan Boldin – $12M over 2 years, $6M average, $5.5M fully guaranteed
Torrey Smith - $40M over 5 years, $8M average, $8.75M fully guaranteed
TE
Vernon Davis - $36.75M over 5 years, $7.35M average, $11.112M fully guaranteed
LT
Joe Staley – Originally a 9yr/$43.66M deal in 2009, with a $12.1M roster bonus in 2009, new deal is worth $44.6M, average of $7,441,667, and has $10M fully guaranteed
RT
Anthony Davis - $37.5M over 6 years, $6,166,667 average, $8.38M fully guaranteed
DE
Justin Smith - $45M over 6 years, $7.5M average, $11M signing bonus
Ray McDonald - $20M over 5 years, $4M average, $6M fully guaranteed
OLB
Ahmad Brooks - $42M over 6 years, $7M average, $8.5M fully guaranteed
ILB
Patrick Willis - $50M over 5 years, $10M average, $15.5M fully guaranteed
NaVorro Bowman – $45.25M over 5 years, $9.05M average, $8M fully guaranteed
CB
Carlos Rogers - $30M over 4 years, $7.5M average, $8.9M fully guaranteed
Tramaine Brock - $14M over 4 years, $3.5M average, $4.55M fully guaranteed
S
Antoine Bethea - $21M over 4 years, $5.25M average, $6.25M fully guaranteed
The 49ers are also known for giving out guarantees base salaries that become fully guaranteed on a certain date, like April 1st.
Below are some examples in coming years
2016:
Kaepernick - $11.9M on April 1
Boeman - $4.17M of $5.85M at beginning of 2016 league year
Torrey Smith - $4.5M on April 1
Brock - $600K of $2.7M on April 1
They also have the following due
Gabbert - $200K roster bonus due on 5th day of new league year
Staley - $4M option bonus due on April 1
Also the following deals have guaranteed money
Reid - $1,561,467
Ward - $1,066,594
Armstead - $882,392
Tartt - $613,955
The above 4 have that because of being either 1st rounders or 2nd rounder under the new CBA
Also Eric Rogers has $100K guaranteed in his 2016 base, and Colin Kelly has $65K of his 2016 base guaranteed.
2017:
Kaepernick - $14.5M on April 1
Torrey Smith - $6.5M on April 1
Picks with guaranteed base salaries
Arsmtead - $1,329,784
2018:
Kaeperncik $5.2M of 15M on April 1
Torrey Smith - $2.25M of 6.5M on April 1
Picks:
Armstead - $1,777,178
Now they also like to give out big per game roster bonuses, some examples in the coming years.
2016:
Kaepernick - $2M
Brooks - $750K
Bowman - $750L
Staley - $500K
Torrey Smith - $500K
Bethea - $400K
Brock - $320K
Dorsey - $200K
Pears - $400K
Miller - $160K
Kilgore - $200K
2017:
Kaepernick - $2M
Staley - $500K
Torrey Smith - $500K
Bowman - $750K
Brooks - $750K
Bethea - $400K
Brock - $320K
Miller - $160K
Kilgore- $200K
Ward - $677,390 (Not per game)
2018:
Kaepernick - $2M
Bowman - $750K
Torrey Smith - $500K
Staley - $500K
2019:
Kaepernick - $2M
Smith - $500K
Staley - $500K
2020:
Kaepenrick- $2M
Also Workout Bonuses:
2016:
Kaepernick - $400K
Brooks - $100K
Staley - $200K
Torrey Smith - $1M
Bethea - $100L
Brock - $130K
Dorsey - $150K
Pears - $250K
Gabbert - $50K
Miller - $40K
Kilgore - $50K
Bellore - $50K
Kyle Nelson - $25K
Simpson - $50K
Carradine - $50K
McDonald - $100K
Tartt- $50L
Hyde - $100K
Marcus Martin - $20K
Harold - $15K
Eric Rogers - $25K
2017:
Kaepernick - $400K
Staley - $200K
Torrey Smith- $1M
Brooks - $100K
Bethea - $100K
Brock - $130K
Ward - $22,500
Miller- $40K
Kilgore - $50K
Tartt - $100K
Hyde - $100K
Nelson - $25K
Marcus Martin- $20K
Harold- $15K
2018:
Kaepernick - $400K
Torrey Smith - $1M
Staley - $200K
Tartt - $100L
Nelson - $25K
Harold - $15K
2019:
Kaepernick - $400K
Smith - $1M
Staley - $200K
2020:
Kaepernick - $400K
Feb 18, 2016 at 6:23 PM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:Here's something I wanted to post...
Wow! AB, so we don't lose this, I added a reference this on the OP. Big thanks. Now I need read through it. Ha
Feb 19, 2016 at 8:37 AM
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http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/2/19/11060790/ahmad-brooks-salary-deescalates-contract-49ers
I got info this morning that Ahmad Brooks' base salary has de-escalated from $6.5M to $4.9M
I got info this morning that Ahmad Brooks' base salary has de-escalated from $6.5M to $4.9M
[ Edited by AB81Rules on Feb 19, 2016 at 8:38 AM ]
Feb 19, 2016 at 9:44 AM
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/2/19/11060790/ahmad-brooks-salary-deescalates-contract-49ers
I got info this morning that Ahmad Brooks' base salary has de-escalated from $6.5M to $4.9M
So is it possible the team might keep him around for that price??
Feb 19, 2016 at 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by NeeJ49er:Why should we settle for mediocrity. He's part of the past and, IMO, not part of the future.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/2/19/11060790/ahmad-brooks-salary-deescalates-contract-49ers
I got info this morning that Ahmad Brooks' base salary has de-escalated from $6.5M to $4.9M
So is it possible the team might keep him around for that price??
Feb 19, 2016 at 2:31 PM
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Wow, thanks AB...man was that ever illuminating. The bonuses were a surprise also. How is that handled, incidentally? Is it part of the cap or how do they look at it.
Feb 19, 2016 at 5:25 PM
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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:Why should we settle for mediocrity. He's part of the past and, IMO, not part of the future.Originally posted by NeeJ49er:Originally posted by AB81Rules:http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/2/19/11060790/ahmad-brooks-salary-deescalates-contract-49ers
I got info this morning that Ahmad Brooks' base salary has de-escalated from $6.5M to $4.9M
So is it possible the team might keep him around for that price??
I tend to agree but with the luck we've had with injuries, if he's cheap, keep him with a bunch of caveats. Or not. Lol
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 19, 2016 at 5:26 PM ]
Feb 19, 2016 at 6:15 PM
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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NeeJ49er:Why should we settle for mediocrity. He's part of the past and, IMO, not part of the future.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/2/19/11060790/ahmad-brooks-salary-deescalates-contract-49ers
I got info this morning that Ahmad Brooks' base salary has de-escalated from $6.5M to $4.9M
So is it possible the team might keep him around for that price??
Brooks at his best is an excellent contain OLB and decent pass rusher. I believe he could revert back to his old form and be a more than adequate OLB this year, especially if they can get some help on the line and other LB positions. But I agree that he should restructure to help the team if that is possible. If they draft another OLB and either Carradine or Lemonier steps up then Brooks becomes expendable. He really is an excellent athlete.
Feb 19, 2016 at 8:54 PM
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dtg, the best thing to make brooks look good would be Malik J...get him and brooks suddenly looks a whole lot better. But giving lemonier and carradine more time....i just dont' see the improvement. Is it possible we are seeing the best that they can offer? i think yes and waiting on those guys is a lost cause. Get Malik, resign Ian, get us a starting OLB passrusher in FA or draft,(would have to be our first pick), and then watch brooks look better.
it looks like chip is going to want that starting OC, starting OG adn starting OT who can play OG, because he wants that 33 pt offense...but if he is smat he also should want a starting OLB passrusher, starting DT (malik), and starting NT ian. It will be interesting to see if chip just wants to fix the OL or he also wants to shore up the front 7. The three guys i mentioned would go a long way to helping that. Question is what will he want? Fortunately, he has given up his GM suit for a HC/OC suit. Trent won't ignore the D. We'll get some, but not all. I bet we DO get 3 OL starters, however.
it looks like chip is going to want that starting OC, starting OG adn starting OT who can play OG, because he wants that 33 pt offense...but if he is smat he also should want a starting OLB passrusher, starting DT (malik), and starting NT ian. It will be interesting to see if chip just wants to fix the OL or he also wants to shore up the front 7. The three guys i mentioned would go a long way to helping that. Question is what will he want? Fortunately, he has given up his GM suit for a HC/OC suit. Trent won't ignore the D. We'll get some, but not all. I bet we DO get 3 OL starters, however.
Feb 19, 2016 at 9:15 PM
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
dtg, the best thing to make brooks look good would be Malik J...get him and brooks suddenly looks a whole lot better. But giving lemonier and carradine more time....i just dont' see the improvement. Is it possible we are seeing the best that they can offer? i think yes and waiting on those guys is a lost cause. Get Malik, resign Ian, get us a starting OLB passrusher in FA or draft,(would have to be our first pick), and then watch brooks look better.
it looks like chip is going to want that starting OC, starting OG adn starting OT who can play OG, because he wants that 33 pt offense...but if he is smat he also should want a starting OLB passrusher, starting DT (malik), and starting NT ian. It will be interesting to see if chip just wants to fix the OL or he also wants to shore up the front 7. The three guys i mentioned would go a long way to helping that. Question is what will he want? Fortunately, he has given up his GM suit for a HC/OC suit. Trent won't ignore the D. We'll get some, but not all. I bet we DO get 3 OL starters, however.
I agree that we don't need to wait on these guys, just let them compete and if they take a huge jump this year great. Both are still relatively young and under contract so there is no downside to letting them make their case. But I would not stand pat...bring in as much competition as possible! Having a top DE added to the D would make them much better pass rushers.
Feb 20, 2016 at 6:28 AM
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:I agree that we don't need to wait on these guys, just let them compete and if they take a huge jump this year great. Both are still relatively young and under contract so there is no downside to letting them make their case. But I would not stand pat...bring in as much competition as possible! Having a top DE added to the D would make them much better pass rushers.
I have zero faith in Lemonier. But Carradine, he was starting to come on getting used to the WILL role WHILE he was trimming down.
He could be my #1 sleeper for next year. He's finally going to be at his normal playing weight, will be in great shape, will be familiar with the WILL role and it would not surprise me at all if he hit the ground running.
Harold is another. They said it would take him a year+ to "get it," but once that light comes on, look out.
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 20, 2016 at 6:30 AM ]
Feb 20, 2016 at 8:41 AM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
These estimated figures are from AB81RULES and we have nearly $56M to spend with only Williams left to lock up (Celek's deal is in the works). Boone and Boldin and Dawson are not must-signs. Extensions could be in the works as well with potential cuts or restructures with players such as Brooks, Bethea, Dorsey, etc. In short, we're in great shape to get some veteran impact players and set up our draft board nicely.
2016 Team Needs:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/2/16/11008348/franchise-tag-window-opens-what-is-the-rule-how-does-it-work-nfl-predictions
Who are some candidates to get the tag around the NFL?
QB Kirk Cousins & Sam Bradford ($19.8)
DE Olivier Vernon & Muhammad Wilkerson ($15.5)
CB Josh Norman ($14.8)
WR Alshon Jeffery ($14.5)
OLB Von Miller ($14.1)
S Eric Berry ($10.7)
K Justin Tucker & P Shane Lechler ($4.5)
QB: $19.8M
RB: $11.8M
WR: $14.5M
TE: $9.1M
OL: $13.7M
DT: $13.4M
DE: $15.5M
LB: $14.1M
CB: $14.8M
S: $10.7M
K/P: $4.5M
Wish list --- Details and/or (Tag $):
1 OLB Von Miller or 5 Olivier Vernon - Aldon who? ($15.5 & $14.1 tag)
2 WR Alshon Jeffery – He gets tagged, no way Chicago lets him test the market as a UFA ($14.5M tag)
3 CB Josh Norman – He gets franchised by Carolina, no brainer IMO ($14.8M tag)
4 DE Muhammad Wilkerson – Over $100M, $19M per year with nearly $60M fully guaranteed ($15.5M tag)
59 OT Russell Okung – Seeing as Okung is the premier LT FA, I see him asking for something like Trent Williams ($66M, $13.2M average), Tyron Smith ($97.6M, $12.2M average), Joe Thomas ($80.5M, $11.5M average), Anthony Castonzo ($43.812M, $10.953M average) and Ryan Clady ($52.5M, $10.5M average) type deals ($13.7M tag)
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/15/pro-pffs-top-75-free-agents-of-2016/
Top Tier:
OLB Courtney Upshaw or 20 Robert Ayers or 36 Bruce Irvin or 64 Nick Perry or 56 Greg Hardy or 32 William Hayes – Think of Upshaw getting a deal similar to Pernell McPhee from 2015, which was $38.75M, average of $7.75M a year, I think Upshaw can easily command that much
9 RDE Malik Jackson or 39 Jaye Howard – Something similar to Derek Wolfe's deal, which is 4yr/$36.7M, or an average of $9.175M per year
C Alex Mack – Currently has an average of $8.4M deal, doubt he goes lower than $8M a year, right now Mike Pouncey ($8.95M), Rodney Hudson ($8.9M), Maurkice Pouncey ($8,827,325), and John Sullivan ($8.5M) are the 4 highest paid Centers per year
OG Amini Silatolu or 7 OG/OT Kelechi Osemele or J.R. Sweezy or 28 Brandon Brooks or 35 Ramon Foster or 68 Jeff Allen or 55 Alex Boone – I can see him/them asking for something in the range of Iupati ($40M, $8M average), or Orlando Franklin ($36.5M, $7.3M average), or in the Josh Sitton area ($33.75M, $6.75M average)
33 OT Mitchell Schwartz or 10 Cordy Glenn or Ryan Schraeder or 23 Donald Penn or 25 Kelvin Beachum or 69 Andre Smith – He's going to get a lot of money, as Lane Johnson just got $11.25M a year from Philly, I doubt Schwartz will take less than $10M a year. I don't see Baalke paying for another Tackle, when Anthony Davis will come back on a reasonable deal
Mid-Tier:
13 CB Sean Smith or 24 Casey Hayward or 40 Trumaine Johnson – Smith got a $5.5M a yr deal before, he won't go lower than that on another deal IMO. A deal like Buster Skrine ($25M, $6.25M average), Cortez Allen ($24.6M, $6.15M average), Davon House ($24.5M, $6.125M average) and Alterraun Verner ($25.5M, $6.25M average)
WR Mohammad Sanu or 29 Marvin Jones or 67 Rishard Matthews or Travis Benjamin (ST) – I see Sanu asking for at least $5M a year, he's as good as Emmanuel Sanders, who got a $15M deal (3yr, $5M average)
14 ILB Danny Trevathan or 21 Derrick Johnson or 30 Jerrell Freeman or 47 Rolando McClain – I feel he asks for a $5M a year deal, or even higher, something along the lines of Paul Posluszny ($15M, $5M average), Rey Maualuga, Stephen Tulloch, etc. ($15M, $5M average)
66 NT Terrance Knighton or 49 Ian Williams or Cedric Thornton or 17 Damon Harrison or 50 Akiem Hicks – Probably gets $5M a year, maybe $6M or $4.5M a year, on a 3 year deal
48 C Stefan Wisniewski or Ryan Wendell – He signed a $2M 1yr deal last with Jacksonville, I think he asks in the range of $3.5M a year, similar to Evan Dietrich-Smith ($14.25M deal, $3,562,500 average), and Kory Lichtensteiger ($17.5M, $3.5M average) kind of deals
Bottom Tier:
52 SCB Walter Thurmond or 53 Leon Hall or 43 Prince Amukamara – $3.25M a year on a 2-3 year deal
OLB Tamba Hali - These older pass rush FA's have panned out well in recent years.
Other Notable Free Agents:
QB: 31 Ryan Fitzpatrick or Scott Tolzien
T: 57 Joe Barksdale
C/G: Max Unger or Mike Harris or 74 Ben Jones or Mackenzy Bernadeau or 16 Richie Incognito or 18 Evan Mathis or 62 Manuel Ramirez
RB: 19 Doug Martin or 34 Lamar Miller or Alfred Morris or 60 Matt Forte or 44 Chris Ivory or Leggarette Blunt or James Starks or Ronnie Hillman
WR: Jordan Norwood (ST)
TE: Coby Fleener or Larry Donnell or 65 Dwayne Allen
DE: 6 Jason Pierre-Pual or 22 Nick Fairley or Mario Williams or 70 Jason Jones or 71 Mike DeVito
NT: 61 Haloti Ngata
ILB: Brandon Marshall or 30 Jerrell Freeman or 45 Mark Barron or Demario Davis or Keenan Robinson or Tahir Whitehead
OLB: Frank Zombo or 42 Derrick Shelby or 73 Jeremy Mincey or 75 Junior Galette
CB: 41 Janoris Jenkins or 46 Patrick Robinson or Mo Claiborne or 37 Adam Jones or 58 Brandon Boykin
March 1st and the 7th-9th is almost upon us!
March 1 - Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.
March 7-9 - Clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2015 Player Contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 9. However, a contract cannot be executed with a new club until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 9.
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 21, 2016 at 8:49 AM ]
Feb 20, 2016 at 5:13 PM
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Great lists, NC, and thanks. Here is what i feel we HAVE to do in FA. These are guys we MUST HAVE.
1.OLB Upshaw or Ayres or Irwin, and if it takes $9 mil/yr, we have to do it.
2. RDE Malik J for $10 mil is a MUST
3. OC...have been a big fan of Mack or pouncey. Here would take wisnewski at $4mil and hope for best.
4. G/C Unger, Harris , Jones, or Bernadeau at $3.5
5.OT take Schwartz or Glenn at $10 mil and have them play OG until Joe S hangs it up. Or use #1 pick in draft for starting OT.(this would be my favored choice)
6.ILB Trevathan at $5mil
total: would be $41 mil, and if we took an OT as #1 pick in draft(my preference) it would be $31 mil '
7.Oops, forgot NT, so add another $5mil for Ian or knighrly, making it essential we take starting OT in draft as top pick, making $36 mil our number if we do as above.
The above is certainly doable, but in a bidding war we might end up 20% higher, on Malik, or upshaw, but is still doable esp if we drafted a starting OT as first choice.
So what do we do with draft?. If there were a startng OLB passrusher or starting DE we could get wtih a second rd 1 pick i would do it in a heartbeat. Otherwise, would fatten up on OGs, CBs, or if an ILB starter, would take him with our second rd pick #39.
It is obvious that for me this is basically a FA show. Whatever starter we could get at DE, OLB, after taking a starting OT in rd 1, i would do . But essentially i would rebuild this team with tried and true starters, going to mid level at OC (despite how much i like mack/pouncey)...one may have medial issues....and again dropping down from top tier for a startng OG..but the sumbish better be a legit starter. Do that and we could swing the FA list i propose. I have seen other lists where they depended on draft....not me. I want one OT starter and if we can trade up into rd one wth 10 other picks to do it I would . It would be incredible to get a starting OLB or DE starter in draft. I jsut don't think they are there. This is an all time FA yr.
Lastly, if trent does not come thru in a big way getting 90% of the above, i believe his job is in jeopardy. Wasn't his fault that everyone quit at once, but his potential OLs just flat azz took a flying dump...tiller stil an unknown. Brown does start this yr and with starters around him ...will do fine. Staley as our only OL....that won't cut it.
1.OLB Upshaw or Ayres or Irwin, and if it takes $9 mil/yr, we have to do it.
2. RDE Malik J for $10 mil is a MUST
3. OC...have been a big fan of Mack or pouncey. Here would take wisnewski at $4mil and hope for best.
4. G/C Unger, Harris , Jones, or Bernadeau at $3.5
5.OT take Schwartz or Glenn at $10 mil and have them play OG until Joe S hangs it up. Or use #1 pick in draft for starting OT.(this would be my favored choice)
6.ILB Trevathan at $5mil
total: would be $41 mil, and if we took an OT as #1 pick in draft(my preference) it would be $31 mil '
7.Oops, forgot NT, so add another $5mil for Ian or knighrly, making it essential we take starting OT in draft as top pick, making $36 mil our number if we do as above.
The above is certainly doable, but in a bidding war we might end up 20% higher, on Malik, or upshaw, but is still doable esp if we drafted a starting OT as first choice.
So what do we do with draft?. If there were a startng OLB passrusher or starting DE we could get wtih a second rd 1 pick i would do it in a heartbeat. Otherwise, would fatten up on OGs, CBs, or if an ILB starter, would take him with our second rd pick #39.
It is obvious that for me this is basically a FA show. Whatever starter we could get at DE, OLB, after taking a starting OT in rd 1, i would do . But essentially i would rebuild this team with tried and true starters, going to mid level at OC (despite how much i like mack/pouncey)...one may have medial issues....and again dropping down from top tier for a startng OG..but the sumbish better be a legit starter. Do that and we could swing the FA list i propose. I have seen other lists where they depended on draft....not me. I want one OT starter and if we can trade up into rd one wth 10 other picks to do it I would . It would be incredible to get a starting OLB or DE starter in draft. I jsut don't think they are there. This is an all time FA yr.
Lastly, if trent does not come thru in a big way getting 90% of the above, i believe his job is in jeopardy. Wasn't his fault that everyone quit at once, but his potential OLs just flat azz took a flying dump...tiller stil an unknown. Brown does start this yr and with starters around him ...will do fine. Staley as our only OL....that won't cut it.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Feb 20, 2016 at 5:18 PM ]
Feb 20, 2016 at 5:32 PM
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Nice list pasodoc9er. I'm considering putting a list of Plan A and B's together for my own clarity. I'd have to keep in mind Chip in all of this as well...he likes length at CB, familiarity with his former players like Boykin, types of G's he likes, WR's, the fact he uses 3 RB's often so who would fit, how little he uses TE's and FB's but when he does, who's the best fit, etc. Then on defense, with O'Neil, we're moving back to pattern matching so players like Brock and Acker might be more ideal over what Chip likes like with Dontae Johnson but what other FA's would fit?
So, a lot to consider...the FA...and why...and how he fits...and cost.
So, a lot to consider...the FA...and why...and how he fits...and cost.
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 20, 2016 at 5:33 PM ]