Do you Agree with Vernon Davis? . . . . .

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
VD is full of it.

The two dudes who skipped camp last year and played poorly are taking the low road.

not to mention all his dropped balls.

Not great at times but last time I checked pretty sure that he can't draw up the game plan and throw the ball to himself.

With our deep threats he will be used better.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm just curious on this play .... how much time did Kaep have to read the defense pre-snap? I think this is probably the most important question that's missing from the analysis of both Cosell and Gannon. I know on many of the plays, the proper play may have been called but my questions are:

1) Are you stressing fundamentals with your QB in terms of read(s)?
2) How much time does he have to read the defense and if the play was already properly decided (to beat this defense), why then are plays so late?

I agree Kaep doesn't always make good decisions, but I'm very much wondering on those plays what's the percentage he as 4 seconds or less to read a defense.

1) MOFO vs MOFC is the first and last thing that the QB reads when he's about to drop back to pass.
2) Not sure how much time he took to read the defense, the broadcast cut away to show some sideline activity, but he snapped the ball with 10 seconds left on the playclock.
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If the line doesn't block well your QB will struggle. Our line was terrible at pass blocking last season

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by thl408:

Some of that stems from Roman's effort to simplify the offense. But Rich Gannon, the former MVP, said it really starts with Kaepernick.

"To me, he just doesn't look comfortable in the offense. ... People say, 'Fire Greg Roman! What are they doing? It's vanilla,' " the former Raiders star told Sirius XM Radio. "Why do you think they're scaling it back? That's what the fans out there need to understand.

"What, do you think the coordinator got dumb overnight? You think Jim Harbaugh doesn't know what he's doing? The quarterback's not making the right decisions. The quarterback isn't making the right checks. So what are we going to do? We're going to make it more simplistic. We're going to have a little bit less volume in the offense."

Greg Cosell, a senior producer at NFL Films, cited a specific example against the St. Louis Rams earlier this season. He said that on third-and-short, the Rams defense played a Cover-Zero -- meaning no safety in the middle of the field. In his film review, he saw Roman had a play call to beat that defense with a post route for (Michael) Crabtree to run through a "wide-open middle."

"(Kaepernick) needs to know right away that that's where the ball should be thrown," Cosell told KNBR radio. "But he was totally focused on (Anquan) Boldin, who was double-covered. No recognition. And Kaepernick just dropped his eyes and ran into a sack. Plays like that are what concern you over time, because that's pre-snap recognition."
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_27069768/49ers-offensive-woes-roman-or-kaepernick-blame

Here's that play Cossell mentioned and I think it's a bit harsh of an assessment even though I mentioned the same thing in the original cut up - that Kap should have targeted the Post.
When a QB sees cover 0, he can do a few things, two of which are: throw the hot route (quickest developing route), or attack the middle of the field because there's no safety. The second option requires some faith in the protection for blitz pickups to be made. I'm not going to fault Kap for not having faith in his Oline.


Kap is looking at Boldin. The Rams smartly bracket Boldin because Boldin is a 3rd down conversion machine.


4th sack of the first half.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/180114-st-louis-rams-week-coaches-film-analysis/page2/#post21

Anyway, not to make this another Kap thread, and there are actually better examples of Kap not making the optimal decision on a passing play. But when a QB feels rushed, he's more likely to look to the simplest outlet he has, in this case Boldin's quick In route. What if Kap actually had some confidence in his OLine? You can be sure he's looking for the big play.

love these type of posts.

There were some games he got open but didn't get targeted for whatever reason. I think game planning had something to do with it. I think his back injury had more to do with it.

I really wish that Vernon Davis had not talked about last year's game planning or posted that video about the spotter.

Some things are just better left undone or unspoken.



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Originally posted by Joecool:
There's a reason why we had some of the most talented teams in the NFL the past 5 years but were always ranked near the bottom on offense. Coaches got fired for a reason.
There's a reason why every RB we brought in is dynamic in catching the ball also. There's a reason why we switched to a zone blocking scheme.

The talent on this offense was going to waste on a very predictable scheme. It fooled College players and, for a little while, fooled NFL teams. We seriously won game due to the sheer power of this team and its defense.

Looking forward to an offense that can take a rookie receiver who is still learning, put him in a game for a couple plays and let him do what he can do well without thinking. That's what we did with TO. We put him in for quick screens and easy routes. Da f**k Roman and Harbaugh would refuse to do even that.

Talent will definitely be used this year.

So this.

What you posted has been an issue since day 1 of harbaugh. I really think people have selective memories.
This team had one of the best defenses ever and thats why we got where we got. Remember how crazy good out special teams were? Our offense SUCKED. And that was with alex smith so I still chock it up to Harbaugh being a stubborn A$$ and wanting to do what he has done his whole coaching career. He wanted to impose our will on the other team, even if it wasn't working. If we had a coach with just a smidgen of offensive originality SF would have 2-3 more super bowl rings.

Originally posted by UKNiner:
Not great at times but last time I checked pretty sure that he can't draw up the game plan and throw the ball to himself.

Agreed. Many times the play called for a 4 or 5 step drop but often Kaep was getting pressured by his 3rd step. But I always go back to the philosophy. Not oly was the game plan not conducive with Kaeps skill-set, it was a philosophy and game plan that exposed the weaknesses of the O-line as well.

Originally posted by VDpwndMjenkins:
I could see it if he caught it when it did come his way, but he sucked even then. So to me he needs to stfu.

So the game plan made him miss camp asking for a raise then subsequently suck when he did hit the field? Yea ok Vernon.

It's the Vance McDonald-effect. Throw to him once every two games and there is a high probability he drops it. Just say'n.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Disp:
This PFF article from today does kinda support his thoughts. He ran the second most corner routes in the league; more than every single WR. Over 10% of Davis's routes were corner routes, the highest in the league:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/06/15/route-breakdown-corner-route/

Thanks for posting that. The reasons he ran so many Corner routes is because he's a TE so he lines up near the OLine (not out wide), he's the only deep threat, and all the 49er opponents play with a deep safety in the middle of the field (cover1, cover3). Only occasionally did the 49ers see a cover 2 shell. So if he's going to stretch the field for the other WRs, it's not by running down the middle of the field where there's a safety. It's by running towards the sideline, hence the Corner route. And even then, the safety in the middle of the field is very mindful of where VD is going.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Is this similar to how VD was used in the past? And if so, what best explains his decline in production this year?

Yes and no. The 'no' part is that under Alex and CK, VD mastered the seam routes...passes over the ILB and before the S. It was undefendable when executed perfectly. I believe this is why the new coaching regime has been running these until CK's arm falls off. Our defense can't defend these either.

I still saw Vernon lining up on the wrong side of the ball last year. Kap needing to tell him where to go. I know they tried to mix things up last year but that can't happen. There were flaws everywhere.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by UKNiner:
Not great at times but last time I checked pretty sure that he can't draw up the game plan and throw the ball to himself.

Agreed. Many times the play called for a 4 or 5 step drop but often Kaep was getting pressured by his 3rd step. But I always go back to the philosophy. Not oly was the game plan not conducive with Kaeps skill-set, it was a philosophy and game plan that exposed the weaknesses of the O-line as well.

This too. I think thl408 nailed it when he noted all the issues 1) scheme/philosophy/adjustments 2) how defenses were, in particular, playing VD 3) OL overloaded and struggling in PP or at least, not consistent esp. for deeper routes, and 4) CK's processing too much with too little time (pre snap and in-snap) and making incorrect reads or not trusting the routes.

It really was a collective fail. It's a damn miracle we won 8 games last year.

PS: You may disagree on the weight given to each of these issues but not the issues themselves. The great news is that the new coaching staff is hellbent on correcting every one of these issues as evidenced in the off season reports thus far.

Lol Mr Alligator Arms blaming everyone but himself. Shocking.