49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Heroism:
First time all year that the Cowboy's bad ass DL+LB group has had their soul's taken from them. Mcvay's window dressing had LVE's head spinning. Dude was lost lol.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Awesome. But...did they "wear down" running sideways or just confused on where to run. LOL j/k

Originally posted by thl408:
That was a pretty healthy mix of IZ and OZ.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Awesome. But...did they "wear down" running sideways or just confused on where to run. LOL j/k

Both and it's the exact same thing Shanny does here. It's the basis of offense that makes it very difficult to stop.

Power works, zone works. Everything has its place. Good teams use everything. There's no right or wrong here.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:

That was a pretty healthy mix of IZ and OZ.

Yes, sir, and it was beautiful to watch.

yo thl, what do you make of both McVay and Shanny using a bigger guard at the left spot? You think this could be some kind of tenet of the offense? Rodger Saffold, like Tomlinson, is another player who typically wouldn't be viewed as a zone guard.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why not? Coaches adjust. And Kyle did that last year with more inside zone with Hyde. The threat of IZ or OZ is the same for PA at the end of the day. Fusco, big Tomlinson, Kilgore to Richburg, rookie RT, Kyle adjusts better than anyone.

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OZ provides the most elongated set of motions and that results in stalling the pass rush the most in terms of duration. It also gets the DL moving sideways which removes forward momentum.

On IZ, the OL steps forward, for the most part - it's straight ahead blocking. For OZ, the OL's first steps are sideways, which is counter productive to a DL that wants to pass rush. OZ, from a QB under center (not shotgun/pistol), is the best form of playaction because: the OL is moving sideways just as they would on an OZ run, and the actions of the QB turning his back to the play, holding the ball out for the RB is a prolonged action.

I love the OZ esp. for the reasons you mentioned and how it helps set up PA and how everything looks the same so it gives the defenders pause.

That said, I can't speak to the last time I saw a defense actually wear down because of an OZ scheme. I can to power though (see Pats/Chiefs).

With OZ, if a defense is one gapping-attack, we saw the downside...124 QB hits (splitting the moving gaps) and IIRC, a high number of negative rushing yards (STF/TLOSS). And of course, poor short yardage and an inability to run inside the RZ.

Those are my big concerns. TBF, I'd have as many concerns about straight power lines too.

Like Hero noted, the Pat's are multi-dimensional and that's most ideal today. Some power, gap, IZ, OZ, etc.

Originally posted by thl408:

OZ combined with high tempo can get a DL winded on a particular drive. But my response was to address the notion that playaction is the same for IZ and OZ. They do achieve the same purpose but I think OZ does it more effectively.
Tomlinson provides some straight ahead power, Person does not. Hopefully Richburg can provide a bit more with a healthy knee.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I was kind of hoping Brown could have stayed somehow and moved to LT and then have more of a power element on the left side with Brown + Tomlinson...more athletic side on the right (after Staley retired).

Has anyone done something like that? It seems like that on the Pat's OL right now but not sure.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Yes, sir, and it was beautiful to watch.

yo thl, what do you make of both McVay and Shanny using a bigger guard at the left spot? You think this could be some kind of tenet of the offense? Rodger Saffold, like Tomlinson, is another player who typically wouldn't be viewed as a zone guard.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I was kind of hoping Brown could have stayed somehow and moved to LT and then have more of a power element on the left side with Brown + Tomlinson...more athletic side on the right (after Staley retired).

Has anyone done something like that? It seems like that on the Pat's OL right now but not sure.

The Patriots have a very interesting OL. Their tackles are big(both over 330), but their entire interior OL is relatively undersized at barely over 300 lbs(small, not weak).

Originally posted by NCommand:
BB is just an effing genius. I kind of noticed it more this last game. The two last rushing TD's, Brown would strike ahead clearing a hole, seal followed by a FB/RB...TD. But outside the RZ, more IZ/OZ to the right. I could be way off...I know you noted the OZ near the goal line is their go-to.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:

BB is just an effing genius. I kind of noticed it more this last game. The two last rushing TD's, Brown would strike ahead clearing a hole, seal followed by a FB/RB...TD. But outside the RZ, more IZ/OZ to the right. I could be way off...I know you noted the OZ near the goal line is their go-to.

Yeah, OZ is their bread and butter goal line play for the last decade lol.

you can read about it here: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/5/22/17376788/nfl-offense-goal-line-package-patriots-run-the-ball

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hero/P/NY/OTC...

Any thoughts on a scheme-fit RG and LT we could target? FA isn't looking too hot. Both could develop for a year behind Staley and Person (resign).