49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Someone forgot to tell the Eagles DTs are a dime a dozen.

Banks and Poe get your asses ready.

the philly rookie won't know what hit him

LOL. I'm laughing but with our luck, Poe and McKivitz will be our starters limping into the playoffs. And Kyle will bring back Tyler Kroft. What could go wrong?

I called it last year before the season started when you ranked concerns and had OL first.. (I said if this past group of OL didn't play musical chairs we would be a top OL unit and could be the best the year after). Well, we did stay healthy and became a top 5 OL, and I still think we can be higher at the top this year with some of the depth we acquired.

Hopefully we add Strange to help the RT while Kittle can wreck havoc ..like he's meant to be

So you think this unit has improved from 2019?

How are you feeling going forward in getting over that hump? I ask b/c we all know what's cost us every year: injuries, unit pass protection and clutch QB play. This is one element in this equation.

our line in 2019, 21 and 22 have been good enough to win it all and i feel they are getting better.

but it doesn't matter.. OL can be #1 and have large gap between #2 and still lose. We're just handicapped at the most important position. Imagine having Purdy for 19, 21 and healthy NFCCG 22 .. we could possibly have 2 Lombardis out of those 3 years

Fair enough. You're a trandscending-QB-centric guy and I'm more from the school that believes the OL needs to be at an elite level so that QB can actually be that guy (or give him the best shot at it).

Either way, I don't think we're there yet on either front. But hopeful.

Let's see how it goes tonight!

Any predictions? Educated guesses?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Fair enough. You're a trandscending-QB-centric guy and I'm more from the school that believes the OL needs to be at an elite level so that QB can actually be that guy (or give him the best shot at it).

Either way, I don't think we're there yet on either front. But hopeful.

Let's see how it goes tonight!

Any predictions? Educated guesses?

QB being elite is not just due to an elite OL. Carson Wentz showed that with the Colts. As ATT said with 22 Brock playing like he did we win the sbs. I don't buy the reverse.

Biggest thing is get value and don't get laser focused on a particular position that you overtrade. Been their biggest problem in drafts.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Someone forgot to tell the Eagles DTs are a dime a dozen.

Banks and Poe get your asses ready.

the philly rookie won't know what hit him

LOL. I'm laughing but with our luck, Poe and McKivitz will be our starters limping into the playoffs. And Kyle will bring back Tyler Kroft. What could go wrong?

I called it last year before the season started when you ranked concerns and had OL first.. (I said if this past group of OL didn't play musical chairs we would be a top OL unit and could be the best the year after). Well, we did stay healthy and became a top 5 OL, and I still think we can be higher at the top this year with some of the depth we acquired.

Hopefully we add Strange to help the RT while Kittle can wreck havoc ..like he's meant to be

So you think this unit has improved from 2019?

How are you feeling going forward in getting over that hump? I ask b/c we all know what's cost us every year: injuries, unit pass protection and clutch QB play. This is one element in this equation.

our line in 2019, 21 and 22 have been good enough to win it all and i feel they are getting better.

but it doesn't matter.. OL can be #1 and have large gap between #2 and still lose. We're just handicapped at the most important position. Imagine having Purdy for 19, 21 and healthy NFCCG 22 .. we could possibly have 2 Lombardis out of those 3 years

Fair enough. You're a trandscending-QB-centric guy and I'm more from the school that believes the OL needs to be at an elite level so that QB can actually be that guy (or give him the best shot at it).

Either way, I don't think we're there yet on either front. But hopeful.

Let's see how it goes tonight!

Any predictions? Educated guesses?

OLs help, but the QB actually wins the game. KC doesn't win or have their seasons the way they are without mahomes.

I don't get into the prospects like others do, so i have no chance to even guess. As for positions.. QB is not an option early, so i would have to say Secondary, OL and TE in any order.

I was thinking, if the team doesn't take a tackle in the third (I would) then they are clearly higher on McKivitz than any of us. Who knows? They were right about Banks, Brendel, and Burford when a lot of us were skeptical. In light of that, if that's how it plays out I'm going to wait and see the product on the field before I judge.

P.S. With Banks, Brendel, and Burford names all beginning with B. If we somehow end up selecting Matthew Bergeron, maybe that's a good omen. 😂😂😂😂

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Someone forgot to tell the Eagles DTs are a dime a dozen.

Banks and Poe get your asses ready.

the philly rookie won't know what hit him

LOL. I'm laughing but with our luck, Poe and McKivitz will be our starters limping into the playoffs. And Kyle will bring back Tyler Kroft. What could go wrong?

I called it last year before the season started when you ranked concerns and had OL first.. (I said if this past group of OL didn't play musical chairs we would be a top OL unit and could be the best the year after). Well, we did stay healthy and became a top 5 OL, and I still think we can be higher at the top this year with some of the depth we acquired.

Hopefully we add Strange to help the RT while Kittle can wreck havoc ..like he's meant to be

So you think this unit has improved from 2019?

How are you feeling going forward in getting over that hump? I ask b/c we all know what's cost us every year: injuries, unit pass protection and clutch QB play. This is one element in this equation.

our line in 2019, 21 and 22 have been good enough to win it all and i feel they are getting better.

but it doesn't matter.. OL can be #1 and have large gap between #2 and still lose. We're just handicapped at the most important position. Imagine having Purdy for 19, 21 and healthy NFCCG 22 .. we could possibly have 2 Lombardis out of those 3 years

Fair enough. You're a trandscending-QB-centric guy and I'm more from the school that believes the OL needs to be at an elite level so that QB can actually be that guy (or give him the best shot at it).

Either way, I don't think we're there yet on either front. But hopeful.

Let's see how it goes tonight!

Any predictions? Educated guesses?

Personally, I think you win super bowls with elite OLine *coaching* Hope Foerster can be our Mckittrick 2.0 in that regard.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Have we improved this unit over the past 4 off seasons? Have we gotten younger? Cheaper? More talented?

2019 [PFF Rank] - 2023 (PFF)
Joe Staley [5th out of 57] - Trent Williams (93.0)
Laken Tomlinson [41st out of 62] - Aaron Banks (62.7)
Weston Richburg [15th out of 29] - Jake Brendel (64.9)
Mike Person [52nd out of 62] - Spencer Burford (49.6)
Mike McGlinchey [30th out of 57] - Colton McKivitz (N/A)

Let's see what we do today in the draft!

I think the current crop has more athleticism, durability and power than the preceding. I can see improvement on the right tackle side - hopefully Colton can start, and hopefully a powerful right tackle and pass protector and good run blocker can be drafted (Mcglinchy was more of a blocker than a pass blocker pass protector). Adding talented and durable depth will be key to solving the injury problem and also Trent's impending retirement.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally, I think you win super bowls with elite OLine *coaching* Hope Foerster can be our Mckittrick 2.0 in that regard.

Elite OL coaching helps, but it doesn't help the QB in the playoffs when they need to make a play

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally, I think you win super bowls with elite OLine *coaching* Hope Foerster can be our Mckittrick 2.0 in that regard.

Elite OL coaching helps, but it doesn't help the QB in the playoffs when they need to make a play

Well agree to a point, because if you don't have a good to great OLine (and a good OLine coach) you probably won't get into the playoffs in the first place. In the playoffs, a good OLIne can dominate an average to good DLine, the way the rules are written - example: the holding calls etc... Referees are notoriously adverse to calling penalties in the playoffs.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Fair enough. You're a trandscending-QB-centric guy and I'm more from the school that believes the OL needs to be at an elite level so that QB can actually be that guy (or give him the best shot at it).

Either way, I don't think we're there yet on either front. But hopeful.

Let's see how it goes tonight!

Any predictions? Educated guesses?

QB being elite is not just due to an elite OL. Carson Wentz showed that with the Colts. As ATT said with 22 Brock playing like he did we win the sbs. I don't buy the reverse.

Biggest thing is get value and don't get laser focused on a particular position that you overtrade. Been their biggest problem in drafts.

Wentz sucks though. I can't remember the Colts having an elite OL either...they made a QB retire early. They did eventually add an elite G to the mix though but elite unit?

You should...there's far more evidence that shows what happens to HOF/Elite QB's when their OL isn't elite...and when it is. Superbowls are won and lost.

That said, I still think you need both (my proven formula ) b/c even the best have off days and need to be carried by the other from time to time.

I can't say that with confidence b/c our OL struggled mightily against Dallas and Philly and Brock was very much affected. Perhaps though he'd have made at least one more play though esp. in the 4Q. But none of our QB's played at an elite level during the playoffs and unit pass protection (and inability to run block) was a big part of why that was.

If we get a better RT, we should have a great case study this year with Brock though.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally, I think you win super bowls with elite OLine *coaching* Hope Foerster can be our Mckittrick 2.0 in that regard.

Elite OL coaching helps, but it doesn't help the QB in the playoffs when they need to make a play

Well agree to a point, because if you don't have a good to great OLine (and a good OLine coach) you probably won't get into the playoffs in the first place. In the playoffs, a good OLIne can dominate an average to good DLine, the way the rules are written - example: the holding calls etc... Referees are notoriously adverse to calling penalties in the playoffs.

Yup. Chief's OL dominated the same historic DL that wrecked our unit pass protection...and Brock.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Fair enough. You're a trandscending-QB-centric guy and I'm more from the school that believes the OL needs to be at an elite level so that QB can actually be that guy (or give him the best shot at it).

Either way, I don't think we're there yet on either front. But hopeful.

Let's see how it goes tonight!

Any predictions? Educated guesses?

QB being elite is not just due to an elite OL. Carson Wentz showed that with the Colts. As ATT said with 22 Brock playing like he did we win the sbs. I don't buy the reverse.

Biggest thing is get value and don't get laser focused on a particular position that you overtrade. Been their biggest problem in drafts.

Wentz sucks though. I can't remember the Colts having an elite OL either...they made a QB retire early. They did eventually add an elite G to the mix though but elite unit?

You should...there's far more evidence that shows what happens to HOF/Elite QB's when their OL isn't elite...and when it is. Superbowls are won and lost.

That said, I still think you need both (my proven formula ) b/c even the best have off days and need to be carried by the other from time to time.

I can't say that with confidence b/c our OL struggled mightily against Dallas and Philly and Brock was very much affected. Perhaps though he'd have made at least one more play though esp. in the 4Q. But none of our QB's played at an elite level during the playoffs and unit pass protection (and inability to run block) was a big part of why that was.

If we get a better RT, we should have a great case study this year with Brock though.

Yup, can't have a healthy QB if you have a bad Offensive Line. Another case is Russel Wilson. His team seems to always ran aground in the playoffs despite him being an excellent QB after that first super bowl win. Brock Purdy was injured from the right side of the OLine, (yes the TE missed the block) but McGlinchy was notorious for being unable to pick up stunts and blitzes. That's my biggest worry with a bad OLine, you destroy your franchise QB's health the way Andrew's career was destroyed.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally, I think you win super bowls with elite OLine *coaching* Hope Foerster can be our Mckittrick 2.0 in that regard.

Elite OL coaching helps, but it doesn't help the QB in the playoffs when they need to make a play

Well agree to a point, because if you don't have a good to great OLine (and a good OLine coach) you probably won't get into the playoffs in the first place. In the playoffs, a good OLIne can dominate an average to good DLine, the way the rules are written - example: the holding calls etc... Referees are notoriously adverse to calling penalties in the playoffs.

Yup. Chief's OL dominated the same historic DL that wrecked our unit pass protection...and Brock.

I am pretty confident Brock would have beat Mahomes.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Have we improved this unit over the past 4 off seasons? Have we gotten younger? Cheaper? More talented?

2019 [PFF Rank] - 2023 (PFF)
Joe Staley [5th out of 57] - Trent Williams (93.0)
Laken Tomlinson [41st out of 62] - Aaron Banks (62.7)
Weston Richburg [15th out of 29] - Jake Brendel (64.9)
Mike Person [52nd out of 62] - Spencer Burford (49.6)
Mike McGlinchey [30th out of 57] - Colton McKivitz (N/A)

Let's see what we do today in the draft!

I think the current crop has more athleticism, durability and power than the preceding. I can see improvement on the right tackle side - hopefully Colton can start, and hopefully a powerful right tackle and pass protector and good run blocker can be drafted (Mcglinchy was more of a blocker than a pass blocker pass protector). Adding talented and durable depth will be key to solving the injury problem and also Trent's impending retirement.

It's insanely cheaper too (from a team building perspective). Tomlinson, McGlinchey and Richburg. Those guys cost a ton. We're younger, cheaper and the points you noted as well. If they can find a talent on par or better than MM, they'll be rolling b/c I do see upside and they had a very solid base year. Brendel might be a tad tapped out his talent ceiling but very very steady. Banks showed he CAN play at an elite level...now, needs conditioning and learn to play consistently at that level. Burford, I'm not sold on yet. As you can see by the grades, he struggled some and that was while splitting time with Brunskill. MM had his best year overall but was still MM when it mattered most. To get to that next level, we might need to get higher end play at both RG and RT and start developing a younger, more talented C.

And next year, we 'might' have to draft TW's replacement.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally, I think you win super bowls with elite OLine *coaching* Hope Foerster can be our Mckittrick 2.0 in that regard.

Elite OL coaching helps, but it doesn't help the QB in the playoffs when they need to make a play

Well agree to a point, because if you don't have a good to great OLine (and a good OLine coach) you probably won't get into the playoffs in the first place. In the playoffs, a good OLIne can dominate an average to good DLine, the way the rules are written - example: the holding calls etc... Referees are notoriously adverse to calling penalties in the playoffs.

Yup. Chief's OL dominated the same historic DL that wrecked our unit pass protection...and Brock.

the end result might have looked like that, but Jimmy gave it away with INT, Fumbles lost, safety and plays left on the field. Without those blunders it's a different story

Originally posted by Giedi:
I am pretty confident Brock would have beat Mahomes.

same. Its the reason he earned the nickname BCB.. jimmy never received one.