Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
We are all concerned. The issue we have is two poster want to make a process based argument with examples that don't show what they say it shows. It's why me, Hoov NY, 49ATT and the others have been debating this for years.
Have to have a top 3 OL to win a SB? False
Other teams consistently prioritize OL more? False
DT's are a dime a dozen but the guys that block those DT's are critical? Absurdly false
9ers O line talent and lack of prioritization primarily to blame for SB and NFC losses? False
If it was just an argument that we needed to add more talent at that spot it'd be one thing. Of course I counter that we've added more talent there than DB the entire time the ShanaLynch team has been here but at least that argument holds water. It's also fair to ask have the 9ers added the right players with picks. But to pretend they have ignored the position as a whole or that anyone has argued that a QB can single handedly carry a crap O line is the issue.
I want to give the young guys a chance to see what we have. I don't see that as a unreasonable position. Maybe they will be terrible and NC and Gm can take victory laps. Maybe they will be good (Like in 2019 and 2021) and the goal posts will be moved to they aren't good enough to be elite in the last 10 minutes of an important game when Venus is in retrograde during the Year of the Dragon. Either way it's now a wait and see.
Cute.
It's why me, Hoov NY, 49ATT and the others have been debating this for years. --- you debate this because every year (until now) you say it's "good enough" and need to continue to justify being wrong on that front. The talent pool clearly wasn't good enough.
Well, injuries cost us --- No s**t, hence why it wasn't going to be good enough. This OL unit is ALWAYS injured and therfore, needs more talent and real depth added. More resources than 5th-UDFA's and Tom Compton-only off seasons.
Have to have a top 3 OL to win a SB? False --- the last 3 have. Do they need to be top 3? No, upper level. If you want to define it as top 5, top 10, fine. But you ALSO need the QB to also be playing at the level. This shouldn't even be debated. You need both.
Other teams consistently prioritize OL more? False --- They actually do. They draft C's and G's in the top 2 rounds, first picks even, trade QB's for G's, spend big on keeping them or buying them, T's are the first to fly off the board through the top 15, trade up for, even RT's, bought entire new units after losing, etc. Nobody is saying we haven't done some of that too. Just not to the same level as those teams who prioritize it more...or to the level we'd need given what we know about injuries here. They've also got a better eye for talent and draft and develop quality starters.
DT's are a dime a dozen but the guys that block those DT's are critical? Absurdly false --- absolutely true. This is why top OL don't hit FA anymore and why there's an oversarurated market for DL. And why teams don't miss dudes like Buckner and Kinlaw hardly at all. Because it's become an overvalued, oversarurated position and one you can throw numbers and different skill sets at. On the flip side, Laken Tomlinson was the top OL FA. LOL
9ers O line talent and lack of prioritization primarily to blame for SB and NFC losses? False --- it absolutely was a top if not, THE top reason in 2021 (couldn't run block or pass protect when needed). 2019, pass protection, for sure. That's also in conjunction with a QB who ALSO, was not playing at an upper level. You need both.
Anything else?
[ Edited by NCommand on Jul 18, 2022 at 12:26 PM ]
. homers
