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Originally posted by NCommand:
Then watch for yourself tool and then get back to me.

Um, I did. Armstead was a pass rushing 4 Tech and center was the best pass protected part of our offensive line last Sunday even according to you.

You're 0 for 2 in the preseason so far. Have some dignity and be intellectually honest about it instead of re-litigating it again to no avail.
[ Edited by RasSuar on Sep 16, 2020 at 7:27 PM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Up next, blitz happy Gregg Williams. Cards didn't bring many other rushers so this will be a great test for the unit pass protection. I hope this isn't like that Steelers game.

Hopefully not. I'm looking for a better performance for Jimmy. As for missing Richard. Time for the young players to step up. Make it or break it in a contract year. This is their opportunity. Lets see what they do with it.

Hopefully the OLine will hold up regarding the blitz protection.
Originally posted by RasSuar:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Then watch for yourself tool and then get back to me.

Um, I did. Armstead was a pass rushing 4 Tech and center was the best pass protected part of our offensive line last Sunday even according to you.

You're 0 for 2 in the preseason so far. Have some dignity and be intellectually honest about it instead of re-litigating it again to no avail.

0 for 3 on comprehension for you though. Nobody was talking about Armstead but you and your hang up on which Tech AA lines up at inside and outside. Nobody cares if he lines up at 2i or 4i. The bigger issue is he's useless against mobile QB's no matter where you line him up even out at 9 and Ford continues to rush himself out of plays losing containment and leaving massive running lane.

"Watch for yourself" was regarding the Grasu pressure not counted in PFF grading...great example of a grading system that still has flaws in it and still doesn't include unit pass protection which clearly was an issue beyond the individual OL.

IOL (PP specifically) and WR talent concerns were both very much a part of why Kyle called the short game and why JG averaged 2.83 on TTT with a 126.0 grade under 2.5 seconds and 67.5 after. Pressure. All 5 gave up pressures under those circumstances so extrapolate that out to an intermediate and longer developing passing game plan and even you can see the concerns still.

Still, it was a fair game overall and I gave credit where credit was due esp. to Grasu. I just call it like I see it after film.

Found it...

[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 17, 2020 at 6:29 AM ]
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Up next, blitz happy Gregg Williams. Cards didn't bring many other rushers so this will be a great test for the unit pass protection. I hope this isn't like that Steelers game.

Hopefully not. I'm looking for a better performance for Jimmy. As for missing Richard. Time for the young players to step up. Make it or break it in a contract year. This is their opportunity. Lets see what they do with it.

Hopefully the OLine will hold up regarding the blitz protection.

The good news is Garoppolo is typically really good on blitzes esp. on 3rd downs. Bring it Gregg, you cheap b*****d!
Blitzes are like pornstars to JG. He welcomes it no matter where they come from. But also frustrates them with his quick release.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
The good news is Garoppolo is typically really good on blitzes esp. on 3rd downs. Bring it Gregg, you cheap b*****d!

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Blitzes are like pornstars to JG. He welcomes it no matter where they come from. But also frustrates them with his quick release.

Love both answers! I'm hoping Jimmy hits multiple big ones and that the OLine road grades the Jets!
Originally posted by NCommand:
0 for 3 on comprehension for you though. Nobody was talking about Armstead but you and your hang up on which Tech AA lines up at inside and outside. Nobody cares if he lines up at 2i or 4i. The bigger issue is he's useless against mobile QB's no matter where you line him up even out at 9 and Ford continues to rush himself out of plays losing containment and leaving massive running lane.

"Watch for yourself" was regarding the Grasu pressure not counted in PFF grading...great example of a grading system that still has flaws in it and still doesn't include unit pass protection which clearly was an issue beyond the individual OL.

IOL (PP specifically) and WR talent concerns were both very much a part of why Kyle called the short game and why JG averaged 2.83 on TTT with a 126.0 grade under 2.5 seconds and 67.5 after. Pressure. All 5 gave up pressures under those circumstances so extrapolate that out to an intermediate and longer developing passing game plan and even you can see the concerns still.

Still, it was a fair game overall and I gave credit where credit was due esp. to Grasu. I just call it like I see it after film.

Found it...


LOL I quoted you talking about Armstead saying he rushed from the 2Tech when we were having discussions about how all of the DL you stubbornly called 3-3-Techs were in actuality rushing from all over the line. So, yes, you cared until I proved you wrong and had to tuck tail. I mean, I had to literally show the video and breakdown each of the first 5 or so sacks in Armsteads 2019 season to make the point. The fact you can't own up to the mistake is why you're not a very honest interlocutor and also shows why you continue to never learn in the course of a discussion. It's a constant reminder of why you can't be taken seriously as you harp on the same nonsense over and over again.

As for the Grasu grading, I am not taking your word over PFF until I see the breakdown you're talking about because I simply won't believe someone who missed the difference between a 4 Tech and a 2i-Tech last season. Anyone who is that confused about assignments on the DL is most probably sure to be off on the assignments in OL.

As for Jimmy's performance, I have no clue what it has to do with this conversation about the OL. He has multiple problems last Sunday, many of which were created by his lack of accuracy, timing and vision even when he had time to deliver a clean throw. You're reaching now, buddy.
Originally posted by RasSuar:
LOL I quoted you talking about Armstead saying he rushed from the 2Tech when we were having discussions about how all of the DL you stubbornly called 3-3-Techs were in actuality rushing from all over the line. So, yes, you cared until I proved you wrong and had to tuck tail. I mean, I had to literally show the video and breakdown each of the first 5 or so sacks in Armsteads 2019 season to make the point. The fact you can't own up to the mistake is why you're not a very honest interlocutor and also shows why you continue to never learn in the course of a discussion. It's a constant reminder of why you can't be taken seriously as you harp on the same nonsense over and over again.

As for the Grasu grading, I am not taking your word over PFF until I see the breakdown you're talking about because I simply won't believe someone who missed the difference between a 4 Tech and a 2i-Tech last season. Anyone who is that confused about assignments on the DL is most probably sure to be off on the assignments in OL.

As for Jimmy's performance, I have no clue what it has to do with this conversation about the OL. He has multiple problems last Sunday, many of which were created by his lack of accuracy, timing and vision even when he had time to deliver a clean throw. You're reaching now, buddy.

Lord, only you would obsess on a tech in a wide 9 in base vs. nickel. This ain't Madden. Guys are going to move around but still predominantly play in their cemented roles outside and/or inside. Like Kinlaw, despite a nice game, it had no impact on the actual game itself. Nobody cares about their tech and one gap assignment in this W9. The point of AA was where and when he lined up in base (outside) and nickel (inside), not which tech inside.

you harp on the same nonsense

LOL. Pot, meet kettle. Still obsessing over an inside tech.

As to OL, translation, "I have no desire to watch the film myself and will take the easy PFF way out because of...4 vs. 2i tech. That's why."

Speaking of obsessions, who's talking about Jimmy still? This is the OL thread. JG played like ass and yes, that's independent of the OL and their own mild issues esp. with unit pass protection.

Can't wait to see what else you bring into the conversation next! Dinosaurs? Gatorade flavors? Chia pets?
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 17, 2020 at 11:31 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Like Kinlaw, despite a nice game, it had no impact on the actual game itself. Nobody cares about their tech and one gap assignment in this W9.

Is this serious? Please tell me this isn't serious. Please tell you're trolling now.

The point of AA was where and when he lined up in base (outside) and nickel (inside), not which tech inside.
LOL. But you're still wrong even by this standard. He wasn't lined up inside. Being a 4 Tech means you're lined up OVER the tackle not inside him. It's like you refuse to actually understand the point being repeated to you again and again and again...


LOL. Pot, meet kettle. Still obsessing over an inside tech.
I personally don't care about the actual argument anymore because you were already proven wrong awhile ago. It's you who are still litigating it in vain. I am just using it to show why I am not going to take your word on Grasu's pass pro as gospel over. PFF's. A person who doesn't understand basic line assignments can't be trusted to understand pass pro responsibilities.

I'm open to you making your case with evidence. Do you have the All-22 to show this pressure you talk of?

Speaking of obsessions, who's talking about Jimmy still? This is the OL thread. JG played like ass and yes, that's independent of the OL and their own mild issues esp. with unit pass protection. Can't wait to see what else you bring into the conversation next! Dinosaurs? Gatorade flavors? Chia pets?

LOL. But you're the one who brought him into our conversation with your next to last response, even using a Tweet to back up some point about his play when he releases the ball before 2.5 seconds vs. when he releases it after 2.5 seconds. You don't remember this?

Is this a troll job?

^ Bummer Ras...was hoping you'd bring something else to the table but it's the same regurgitated deflection points.

So, since you too have the All22, provide your own breakdown. I did mine quickly off the condensed version.

The play was already confirmed earlier in the thread. It doesn't count as an official PFF stat since it turned out to be a P.I. But that was my very point about PFF...be cautious with it and do your own film work. PFF also omits unit pass protection beyond the individual OL grades, that was an issue.

Also, I have Grasu credit whether he had 1 or 0 pressures. That's also the point.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 17, 2020 at 1:10 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
^ Bummer Ras...was hoping you'd bring something else to the table but it's the same regurgitated deflection points.

So, since you too have the All22, provide your own breakdown. I did mine quickly off the condensed version.

The play was already confirmed earlier in the thread. It doesn't count as an official PFF stat since it turned out to be a P.I. But that was my very point about PFF...be cautious with it and do your own film work. PFF also omits unit pass protection beyond the individual OL grades, that was an issue.

Also, I have Grasu credit whether he had 1 or 0 pressures. That's also the point.

FYI...it wasn't confirmed . TH said he might chalk that up to a pressure. I personally did not think it was a pressure, PFF would have to answer if it was a pressure that was negated by the PI. Not sure their criteria.
When you say unit PP, are you referring to that one long developing play where Kittle missed his block?

must be the scheme
Originally posted by NYniner85:

must be the scheme

If only San Diego drafted a center with their first pick.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
^ Bummer Ras...was hoping you'd bring something else to the table but it's the same regurgitated deflection points.

So, since you too have the All22, provide your own breakdown. I did mine quickly off the condensed version.

The play was already confirmed earlier in the thread. It doesn't count as an official PFF stat since it turned out to be a P.I. But that was my very point about PFF...be cautious with it and do your own film work. PFF also omits unit pass protection beyond the individual OL grades, that was an issue.

Also, I have Grasu credit whether he had 1 or 0 pressures. That's also the point.

FYI...it wasn't confirmed . TH said he might chalk that up to a pressure. I personally did not think it was a pressure, PFF would have to answer if it was a pressure that was negated by the PI. Not sure their criteria.
When you say unit PP, are you referring to that one long developing play where Kittle missed his block?

Really? Stop it.
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