Originally posted by thl408:Good point, I was talking 2019.
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Sep 9, 2020 at 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Joes block was also not 10;yards down field, it was about 3 yards
Outside the pocket. Is this minute detail important to the point?
Yeah it is
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Joes block was also not 10;yards down field, it was about 3 yards
Outside the pocket. Is this minute detail important to the point?
Yeah it is
LOL.
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
I can't think of a correlation between injuries and zone blocking, but it's an interesting hypothesis. ATL in their super bowl year ran lots of zone and one of the reasons their offense was successful is because they didn't suffer injuries to their starting 5 OL. Perhaps they were an outlier? Maybe all the movement blocks in a zone scheme gets players legs tangled up? Richburg got his legs tangled up with Person when he suffered his injury last year but it was on a Duo or Iso run play (straight ahead blocking).
Perhaps our 2018 season was also an outlier. In 2018, our 5 starting offensive lineman missed only 1 start. Staley, Tomlinson, Person,and McGlinchey started all 16 games. Richburg missed 1 game and started the other 15 games.
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
But they aren't all in the trenches and the trenches are stretched to 5-10 yards down field in our scheme. Staley got leg whipped blocking 10 yards down field outside the pocket. Richburg also got hurt trying to anchor an ISO (not a stretch run).
I've also said numerous times I'm more skeptical that it's the variant demands on the OL both physically and mentally that may be a correlation. Not just OZ. It's OZ, then IZ, then power, then veer, then PP, etc. The more volume and bodies required, the better chance of injury. Maybe.
And I'm not sure what narrative you think I have here. If we drafted Cesar Ruiz, I'd fully expect him to go down too after these 5 years of evidence. They only narrative I have would be to carry 10 vs. 8 for this very fact.
please show me Joe's injury ( I can't find it ) and THL just told you want type of play Richburg got hurt on.
Dude sooooo many teams run a variant of blocking schemes. Outside of maybe Seattle that runs primarily power and those f**kers are always hurt.
Oh please what narrative lol, your narrative is clear as day in here...you want SF to draft a f**k ton of lineman and you want them to spend a ton of money on lineman. You want them to draft them early and one of the main reasons is because we run a scheme that supposedly leads to more injures
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by thl408:
I can't think of a correlation between injuries and zone blocking, but it's an interesting hypothesis. ATL in their super bowl year ran lots of zone and one of the reasons their offense was successful is because they didn't suffer injuries to their starting 5 OL. Perhaps they were an outlier? Maybe all the movement blocks in a zone scheme gets players legs tangled up? Richburg got his legs tangled up with Person when he suffered his injury last year but it was on a Duo or Iso run play (straight ahead blocking).
Perhaps our 2018 season was also an outlier. In 2018, our 5 starting offensive lineman missed only 1 start. Staley, Tomlinson, Person,and McGlinchey started all 16 games. Richburg missed 1 game and started the other 15 games.
Good one. The other side of the argument is that slamming full force into the DL (gap blocking) helps keep the OL healthy.
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Right? NY85 is out here looking for 100% causation when even a correlation itself is linking likelihood of a connection based around probability. And the degree of that probability.
I'm looking for actual evidence lol...not that hard to see what I want.
You're throwing s**t against the wall and trying to play it off like it's a good possibility. When in reality there's no facts backing it up.
therefor I've called it a conspiracy theory.
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by libertyforever:Originally posted by thl408:I can't think of a correlation between injuries and zone blocking, but it's an interesting hypothesis. ATL in their super bowl year ran lots of zone and one of the reasons their offense was successful is because they didn't suffer injuries to their starting 5 OL. Perhaps they were an outlier? Maybe all the movement blocks in a zone scheme gets players legs tangled up? Richburg got his legs tangled up with Person when he suffered his injury last year but it was on a Duo or Iso run play (straight ahead blocking).
Perhaps our 2018 season was also an outlier. In 2018, our 5 starting offensive lineman missed only 1 start. Staley, Tomlinson, Person,and McGlinchey started all 16 games. Richburg missed 1 game and started the other 15 games.
Good call.
We ended the year with this group, correct?
LT: Joe Staley; Shon Coleman
LG: Laken Tomlinson
C: Weston Richburg; Erik Magnuson
RG: Mike Person; Joshua Garnett
RT: Mike McGlinchey; Garry Gilliam
Richburg miss the first game?
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
But they aren't all in the trenches and the trenches are stretched to 5-10 yards down field in our scheme. Staley got leg whipped blocking 10 yards down field outside the pocket. Richburg also got hurt trying to anchor an ISO (not a stretch run).
I've also said numerous times I'm more skeptical that it's the variant demands on the OL both physically and mentally that may be a correlation. Not just OZ. It's OZ, then IZ, then power, then veer, then PP, etc. The more volume and bodies required, the better chance of injury. Maybe.
And I'm not sure what narrative you think I have here. If we drafted Cesar Ruiz, I'd fully expect him to go down too after these 5 years of evidence. They only narrative I have would be to carry 10 vs. 8 for this very fact.
please show me Joe's injury ( I can't find it ) and THL just told you want type of play Richburg got hurt on.
Dude sooooo many teams run a variant of blocking schemes. Outside of maybe Seattle that runs primarily power and those f**kers are always hurt.
Oh please what narrative lol, your narrative is clear as day in here...you want SF to draft a f**k ton of lineman and you want them to spend a ton of money on lineman. You want them to draft them early and one of the main reasons is because we run a scheme that supposedly leads to more injures
I can send it to you.
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Originally posted by thl408:
I can't think of a correlation between injuries and zone blocking, but it's an interesting hypothesis. ATL in their super bowl year ran lots of zone and one of the reasons their offense was successful is because they didn't suffer injuries to their starting 5 OL. Perhaps they were an outlier? Maybe all the movement blocks in a zone scheme gets players legs tangled up? Richburg got his legs tangled up with Person when he suffered his injury last year but it was on a Duo or Iso run play (straight ahead blocking).
Goes for the Rams too when tHey went to the SB a couple years ago.
There entire O-Line stayed together and virtually injury free all year with the same scheme.
They also lost their starting center and one of the best guards in football last off season.
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by NCommand:Right? NY85 is out here looking for 100% causation when even a correlation itself is linking likelihood of a connection based around probability. And the degree of that probability.
I'm looking for actual evidence lol...not that hard to see what I want.
You're throwing s**t against the wall and trying to play it off like it's a good possibility. When in reality there's no facts backing it up.
therefor I've called it a conspiracy theory.
You aren't looking for evidence. You're looking for causation.
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by NCommand:But they aren't all in the trenches and the trenches are stretched to 5-10 yards down field in our scheme. Staley got leg whipped blocking 10 yards down field outside the pocket. Richburg also got hurt trying to anchor an ISO (not a stretch run).
I've also said numerous times I'm more skeptical that it's the variant demands on the OL both physically and mentally that may be a correlation. Not just OZ. It's OZ, then IZ, then power, then veer, then PP, etc. The more volume and bodies required, the better chance of injury. Maybe.
And I'm not sure what narrative you think I have here. If we drafted Cesar Ruiz, I'd fully expect him to go down too after these 5 years of evidence. They only narrative I have would be to carry 10 vs. 8 for this very fact.
please show me Joe's injury ( I can't find it ) and THL just told you want type of play Richburg got hurt on.
Dude sooooo many teams run a variant of blocking schemes. Outside of maybe Seattle that runs primarily power and those f**kers are always hurt.
Oh please what narrative lol, your narrative is clear as day in here...you want SF to draft a f**k ton of lineman and you want them to spend a ton of money on lineman. You want them to draft them early and one of the main reasons is because we run a scheme that supposedly leads to more injures
I can send it to you.
Leg whipped by Mostert. TY.
So NY, because of the injuries, I want both quantity and quality OL to guard against this trend?
Apologies.
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by thl408:
I can't think of a correlation between injuries and zone blocking, but it's an interesting hypothesis. ATL in their super bowl year ran lots of zone and one of the reasons their offense was successful is because they didn't suffer injuries to their starting 5 OL. Perhaps they were an outlier? Maybe all the movement blocks in a zone scheme gets players legs tangled up? Richburg got his legs tangled up with Person when he suffered his injury last year but it was on a Duo or Iso run play (straight ahead blocking).
Perhaps our 2018 season was also an outlier. In 2018, our 5 starting offensive lineman missed only 1 start. Staley, Tomlinson, Person,and McGlinchey started all 16 games. Richburg missed 1 game and started the other 15 games.
Good one. The other side of the argument is that slamming full force into the DL (gap blocking) helps keep the OL healthy.
lol right?
I mean we could add to this "theory" and say that teams tend to play faster now, which equals more snaps...which leads to a higher chance of injury
also I wouldn't say Joe was 10 yards downfield when he got kicked in the leg lol
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Sep 9, 2020 at 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Leg whipped by Mostert. TY.
So NY, because of the injuries, I want both quantity and quality OL to guard against this trend?
Apologies.
I never said he didn't get hit by Mostert
Sep 9, 2020 at 12:35 PM
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This line gonna roll people up this year cause that passing game will be on point. We got Coleman, Jet(finally) Juice, Kittle, Reed - all as quality receiving targets and screen targets. Those guys will open things up for our Receivers who are really running backs. There's no way teams can cover the entire field and we can force them to cover the entire field from every single personnel group. It's even more dangerous than KC, IMO, because KC really only stretches you out with Hill on the field.