They want an offensive guy:
- Seattle's no offensive juggernaut, so that Bevvell's out.
- Adam Gase has a HOF QB that's probably coaching him not the other way around so he's out.
- Josh McDaniel's SUCKED when he was in Denver. I was there when he was there and the players hated him. An arrogant SOB punk living off Bellichik's fame just like every other coach in his tree that's failed miserably.
- Holmgrem, the game has probably passed him by. Plus he's a West Coast guy and the OLine isn't built for it and neither is Kap.
- Pep Hamilton is the guy if it's just this list. He's lived here before so he knows he can live here. He's familiar with Harbaugh's offense from their time at Stanford. He's worked with a young mobile QB and shown he can design plays that emphasizes his strengths. He's used to this team's style of Defense and understands how his offense will complement it. And he fulfills the Rooney Rule requirement. Oh by the way, he has the #1 offense in the league without a lot of talent on the OLine or RBs. We have plenty of that here.
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If Jim Harbaugh leaves, who do you want as the next coach of the 49ers(All Coaching Rumors
If Jim Harbaugh leaves, who do you want as the next coach of the 49ers(All Coaching Rumors
Dec 14, 2014 at 1:09 AM
- REB4
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Dec 14, 2014 at 1:45 AM
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Oh also forgot to add that with Pep, we don't have to revamp our OLine to make his system work. Holmgrem and Gase prefer lighter and more mobile OLinemen and that just ain't our guys.
Dec 14, 2014 at 1:55 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
My choice-Gase
I like him because he has shown the willingness to adapt and change, someone rigid wouldn't make it long with Manning. He's taken his own playbook and has combined it with the former OC's as well as that of Josh McDaniel's trying to find the most effective combination of offense. He's been coaching pretty much since he was 18, is very detail oriented, always looking to change things up, lately his focus has been on improving the run game and sure enough the Broncos have been getting it done on the ground. Manning seems to have a tremendous amount of faith in him and the guy is very well spoken, handles the media well and is well regarded around the NFL. I feel like he's one of the brightest offensive minds in the NFL today and a guy who could largely leave the defense alone in the hands of Fangio or another DC and focus mostly on the offense.
I would not be upset at all with Tomsula, I think he has incredible leadership ability but the problem that presents itself is the revolving door at OC that could occur. If an OC does well, he'll be out the door for a head coaching gig elsewhere and now you've got a new playbook to deal with.
I think Bowles would be a very good leader, very bright, astute guy and has done a tremendous job with an injury-wrecked group of players with the Cards.
Holmgren would be a sentimental favorite since he was with the 49ers during the glory days, is from the Bay Area and has been undeniably successful in the NFL but I think that at his age, his time may already have passed. If nothing else, he'd be worth contacting as a consultant for the team.
Gase? No. Peyton tells him what to call not the other way around. Plus he hasn't proven he can sustain a good run game without the other team's D selling out to stop Peyton's passing. Kap isn't Peyton so Gase isn't going to get much yardage running on team's playing their base D because they're not scared of Kap. Our defense gets exposed when we can't run the ball as we've seen all year. Plus hiring Gase would delay this offense's development because the offensive line would have to be revamped to play his system.
Dec 14, 2014 at 1:57 AM
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I want Harbs to stay. If he doesn't, I'd like Gruden. He's the one guy I think that could actually "fix" Kap.
Dec 14, 2014 at 2:01 AM
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Originally posted by sanjo49er:
Bill Cowher anyone
Don't want a defensive coach.
Dec 14, 2014 at 2:26 AM
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Originally posted by REB4:
Gase? No. Peyton tells him what to call not the other way around.
Stopped reading there. Nobody ever says "Steve Young told Mike Shanahan what to call, not the other way around." Manning is a terrific quarterback, highly talented and I'm sure his input is heavy on the offense and his ability to read defenses and make adjustments is second to none but this idea that Manning just ignores whatever the OC is telling him to do doesn't mesh with reality.
"I really like Gase," Manning said. "It's a compliment to him. I like playing for guys that are smarter than me and work as hard as me. Gase is there before I get there in the morning."
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"He and I have a rule," Manning said. "We can't talk after practice on Friday. We say, 'We're not talking Friday once we leave, we're going to our families.' And so he said on Friday, 'Call me if you get a chance. I have a good thought for a play around the 5[-yard line]. But I said, 'I'm not calling you. You email me your idea, and I'll voice-memo you whether I like it or not."
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/prime-cuts/slice/manning-gase-works-harder-than-me
"But it's not about Adam's playing résumé," Manning said last week. "It is about what he can do to make me and the offense better. Adam has a lot of experience and knowledge in that arena."
Gase, who is about 6 feet 1 inch and 185 pounds and looks like the insurance salesman he almost became, may be the hottest coach in the N.F.L., having recently spurned two head-coaching overtures. Manning has called Gase "the smartest guy I know." Denver Coach John Fox said Gase was "a master of innovation." The team's president, John Elway, went the furthest: He used the word genius.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/sports/football/an-unconventional-path-to-scripting-the-broncos-offense.html
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000315646/article/peyton-manning-adam-gase-email-ideas-at-night
"That's what I like about Adam," Manning said. "He's always working, always thinking. We email each other at night ideas, and bounce ideas off.'"
Perhaps it's time to revisit the lazy assumptions that Gase's role with the Broncos is limited to riding Peyton's coattails and hanging around the team complex for three squares a day.
Down 11 points to the Miami Dolphins and facing a fourth-and-two on the final play of the third quarter, the Denver Broncos offense made a change. Facing a seven-man front and blitz look, tight end Virgil Green moved from the right side to the left and Peyton Manning and running back C.J. Anderson realigned from the shotgun to the pistol. Manning handed off to Anderson, who romped 20 yards for a first down to spark a furious rally that ended with a 39-36 Denver victory.
Seeing as how Manning is a noted master of line of scrimmage adjustments, it's natural to assume the Hall of Fame quarterback was responsible. But as Manning explained after the game, it's actually offensive coordinator Adam Gase who deserves the credit.
"To tell you the truth, Adam made the change," Manning told team columnist Andrew Mason. "We got to the line of scrimmage pretty early and we had time on the clock and so Adam actually made the change from the sideline."
NFL rules allow coaches to communicate with their quarterback through the helmet mic up until the play clock hits 15 seconds. On that play, Denver got to the line with 19 seconds left, giving Gase a precious few seconds get Manning to call the audible.
"It was critical," Manning added. "We ran the ball to the left and it was a good thing that we changed it because we really didn't have a good play based on the look that they were showing early and we did make the change. I think it was what Adam wanted to get to all along."
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/24/7275451/peyton-manning-adam-gase-audible-broncos-dolphins
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 14, 2014 at 2:39 AM ]
Dec 14, 2014 at 2:52 AM
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
It's great just not realistic. The 49ers will lose this game ending their hope for a playoff birth and will mean the end of the Harbaugh era.
This. People can wish and hope all they want, doesn't seem likely to happen. If Harbaugh goes to Oakland or wherever and in a few years we start seeing news stories pop up about the troubles he's having with the front office there, then we'll know who the problem was.
If Harbaugh is open to revamping the offense, bringing in some new coaches on that side of the ball, I don't see any reason to believe that the front office wouldn't be at least open to discussing an extension but with the current situation, it feels like both sides have hunched down in their own bunkers and there is no actual progress happening.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 14, 2014 at 2:57 AM ]
Dec 14, 2014 at 3:00 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by NinerGM:It's great just not realistic. The 49ers will lose this game ending their hope for a playoff birth and will mean the end of the Harbaugh era.
This. People can wish and hope all they want, doesn't seem likely to happen. If Harbaugh goes to Oakland or wherever and in a few years we start seeing news stories pop up about the troubles he's having with the front office there, then we'll know who the problem was.
I still liked seeing that amount of support especially up in Seattle for a game I just can't see a way of winning.
The writing is on the wall and it sucks. I just can't believe the degree this whole deal has deteriorated to. But all in all, I'll be glad when all the b******t drama and innuendo are gone.
Dec 14, 2014 at 3:08 AM
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Originally posted by Niners816:
I still liked seeing that amount of support especially up in Seattle for a game I just can't see a way of winning.
The writing is on the wall and it sucks. I just can't believe the degree this whole deal has deteriorated to. But all in all, I'll be glad when all the b******t drama and innuendo are gone.
I'm starting to wonder if this is just who Harbaugh is, if he needs the constant drama and tension to be able to operate effectively and if that will result in him bouncing from team to team, staying for a few years until he's worn out his welcome and moving on to the next organization.
I want to blame both the front office and him for this impasse but its tough to gauge how much these randomly sourced stories are real and how much they are plain BS but that should become pretty clear down the road based on how he does elsewhere and a new coach does with the 49ers and their relationship with the front office overall.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 14, 2014 at 3:09 AM ]
Dec 14, 2014 at 3:50 AM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:I'm starting to wonder if this is just who Harbaugh is, if he needs the constant drama and tension to be able to operate effectively and if that will result in him bouncing from team to team, staying for a few years until he's worn out his welcome and moving on to the next organization.
I want to blame both the front office and him for this impasse but its tough to gauge how much these randomly sourced stories are real and how much they are plain BS but that should become pretty clear down the road based on how he does elsewhere and a new coach does with the 49ers and their relationship with the front office overall.
This is probably who he is and that's why he has a shelf-life were ever he goes. I just remember being so happy we got him because I was pretty damn sure we had found a decade guy and an offensive guy to boot. So the parade of OCs wouldnt matter. I was also tricked about his offense, his early stanford stuff was pretty much a traditional WCO, then Gerhart happen and the power run really invaded his scheme to a rather huge degree. His 2010 stanford offense I loved thoroughly. It was a great mix of WCO passing and a powerful run game that put up tremendous numbers (275 pass 210 rush). Now I get that it was college, but I really loved the look of it and 2011 felt a like it. Then the read option happen, and it just feels like the offense has been chasing an identity ever since (jack of all, master of none).
[ Edited by Niners816 on Dec 14, 2014 at 3:52 AM ]
Dec 14, 2014 at 4:00 AM
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Originally posted by Niners816:
So much this. I by no means blame Kaepernick for the offensive struggles, but if we would've keep Smith, I think it might have been better for what Harbaugh was trying to run.
This is probably who he is and that's why he has a shelf-life were ever he goes. I just remember being so happy we got him because I was pretty damn sure we had found a decade guy and an offensive guy to boot. So the parade of OCs wouldnt matter. I was also tricked about his offense, his early stanford stuff was pretty much a traditional WCO, then Gerhart happen and the power run really invaded his scheme to a rather huge degree. His 2010 stanford offense I loved thoroughly. It was a great mix of WCO passing and a powerful run game that put up tremendous numbers (275 pass 210 rush). Now I get that it was college, but I really loved the look of it and 2011 felt a like it. Then the read option happen, and it just feels like the offense has been chasing an identity ever since (jack of all, master of none).
So much this. I by no means blame Kaepernick for the offensive struggles, but if we would've keep Smith, I think it might have been better for what Harbaugh was trying to run.
Dec 14, 2014 at 4:51 AM
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I watched the 2012 NFCCG game last night and also watched the trophy presentation. I just couldn't believe that it hasn't even been two full years since that happened. All I kept thinking was, how, why, and where did we go wrong? I watched Frank Gore run for a TD in the redzone and I thought of the Super Bowl. I saw LaMichael James do the same thing earlier in the game and again thought of the Super Bowl. I saw Dense York talking about how the dynasty would prevail and felt so proud when Eddie DeBartolo handed her the championship trophy. Everything just felt right with the football world. I just knew we would go onto win AT LEAST two world championships. Of course the chinks in the armor began to show that season, but things were so good, few people saw an issue. Then the Super Bowl happened and Greg Roman really began to show us who he was.
Onto 2013 and our poor use of personnel. Yes, we had injuries, but there were things that the team was attempting that made absolutely no sense. Talented players who couldn't get a shot. Injuries we had no control over and a set back in Kap's progress that many figured would go away when Michael Crabtree returned. Crabtree returned and the offense got a little better, but overall still sucked. Kap began to show some of his own stubbornness as a QB, which was magnified to many in last year's NFCCG. It was too much of a repeat of the previous year's Super Bowl.
No need to rehash this season, but it's a amazing how 2012 seems like a lifetime ago. All those hopes and dreams of multiple championships that slowly began to fade away, first inside the 5 yard line at Super Bowl 47, then a slow drain in 2013, and by this season the bottom finally falls out. It's doubtful considering the team has done little to silence the detractors, sh*t stirrers, and has regressed across the board on offense to the point that some of us feel they have quit on the coaches. I truly do hope that Jim Harbaugh is not as stubborn and unbending as he appears in those press conferences. He appears like he is blind to what is happening and acts as if we can just need to out execute (sick of that word) teams with this poor philosophy. Everything from the way the receivers are used, to lining Bruce Miller or other O-lineman out wide (not exactly great pass threats), to not getting younger guys involved (Quinton Patton has only played a few more snaps than I have this year), and this crazy philosophy of letting the play clock run down before snapping the ball to force the defense to declare. They've figured it out and have adjusted. We have yet to counter this. All of the above, on top of poor player play has resulted in these guys have career years in terms of how much they suck.
The sad thing is, whatever this supposed beef is, when you really think about it, can't be that deep. No one has been disrespected, undermined, insulted, or what have you. There are just changes that need to be made. I hope Jim Harbaugh makes those changes. And if Harbaugh makes those changes, I hope Baalke/York agree to pay the man what he's worth to this franchise.
Onto 2013 and our poor use of personnel. Yes, we had injuries, but there were things that the team was attempting that made absolutely no sense. Talented players who couldn't get a shot. Injuries we had no control over and a set back in Kap's progress that many figured would go away when Michael Crabtree returned. Crabtree returned and the offense got a little better, but overall still sucked. Kap began to show some of his own stubbornness as a QB, which was magnified to many in last year's NFCCG. It was too much of a repeat of the previous year's Super Bowl.
No need to rehash this season, but it's a amazing how 2012 seems like a lifetime ago. All those hopes and dreams of multiple championships that slowly began to fade away, first inside the 5 yard line at Super Bowl 47, then a slow drain in 2013, and by this season the bottom finally falls out. It's doubtful considering the team has done little to silence the detractors, sh*t stirrers, and has regressed across the board on offense to the point that some of us feel they have quit on the coaches. I truly do hope that Jim Harbaugh is not as stubborn and unbending as he appears in those press conferences. He appears like he is blind to what is happening and acts as if we can just need to out execute (sick of that word) teams with this poor philosophy. Everything from the way the receivers are used, to lining Bruce Miller or other O-lineman out wide (not exactly great pass threats), to not getting younger guys involved (Quinton Patton has only played a few more snaps than I have this year), and this crazy philosophy of letting the play clock run down before snapping the ball to force the defense to declare. They've figured it out and have adjusted. We have yet to counter this. All of the above, on top of poor player play has resulted in these guys have career years in terms of how much they suck.
The sad thing is, whatever this supposed beef is, when you really think about it, can't be that deep. No one has been disrespected, undermined, insulted, or what have you. There are just changes that need to be made. I hope Jim Harbaugh makes those changes. And if Harbaugh makes those changes, I hope Baalke/York agree to pay the man what he's worth to this franchise.
Dec 14, 2014 at 4:55 AM
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Dec 14, 2014 at 6:14 AM
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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:if there was one job he would leave the booth for,, it would be us,,, i am sure of that,
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by mayo49:
I think if Gruden was offered the job he'd take it.
Nobody speaks higher of the Niners in the media over Gruden. This is his home. I do think he'd be a great fit here and picturing him grilling CK on WCO terminology and precision may be exactly what he needs right now. He's still just as intense as he's ever been. And again, all he has to do is get this offense UP to average (points-wise). That's it. But the potential of the offense would be unlimited. He'd have CK out of the pocket on the move a lot as well...reel in his eyes to the shorter game as well. It would be a QB-friendly offense, no doubt and one that would play to the strengths of CK and our skill positions.
Love Chuckie!
BUT - IMO, he won't leave that cushy TV job.
Great pay, plenty of time off, LOW stress, free travel - that's be VERY tough to leave.
Just think how many coaching jobs he and the Chin have been offered since they retired.
TV is probably a better place to be.
Dec 14, 2014 at 6:17 AM
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My pick for our next head coach is Gary Kubiack!!!


