Seattle Seahawks coaches game analysis (week 13) | Page 5

thl408 · 2014-12-02T23:06:24-08:00

Since this game was played five days ago, I'm sure it's been talked about to death from nearly all angles. I'll just try to show the film and let others decide for themselves. Is it mainly the gameplan? The team's execution of the gameplan? The QB? The running game? SEA's defense? TLDR version: Things that sucked: - Kap's inaccuracy - Coaches gameplan of continuing to give the green light to deep throws while having 0 deep threats and a poor success rate (34%) - Coaches not working the RBs into the passing game when it was available. - JMart's run blocking Things that were good: - Red zone defense - Aldon - OAK is next It's very disappointing what I saw from Kap, the coaches, and the Oline. Each of those components played a part in the anemic showing on offense. What's surprising though, is that the Oline was the least of the bad. SEA has a good pass rush so I don't expect Kap to have much time. I do expect them to protect him enough where he can complete his dropback and in most of the cases, they did. Credit the SEA defense too as they knew and squatted on some routes when Kap went to his quick throws, which mainly consisted of curls over the short middle. Instead of the deep throws, I thought the areas to attack were the flats and intermediate middle. I had questioned why the 49ers kept attempting deep throws in the previous games when there was no deep threat on the roster. From NYG game: "There were a number of times where the 49ers went for the long bomb when it was completely unnecessary. Given that they have no speed threat WRs and VD is gimpy, there is no speed threat on the team except for Ellington who hasn't caught anything deep downfield." http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/180298-giants-coaches-film-analysis/page12/#post174 From WAS game: Often, WAS would load the box with 8 and play man coverage. This is a compliment to the run game and a disrespect to the passing game. Some of that could be on Kap, but I think a lot of it is on the WR corp's lack of a deep threat. WAS didn't feel the need to fear being beat deep. This is why the 49ers took some deep shots even with no deep threats... When the WRs were covered downfield - no surprise there - there were indeed options underneath to throw to. Kap instead, scrambled for minimal gains. If the deep option is not there, Kap needs to be fast with adjusting his eye level to the short routes. Whether this is on the coaching to drill it into his head or on Kap to do it because that would be the logical thing to do, it needs to be done. http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/180357-washington-redskins-coaches-film-analysis/#post15 Then after the SEA game, we all found out this (from many recent articles): Kaepernick has attempted 61 passes of 20 yards or more down the field (3rd most in NFL)...But Kaepernick has connected on just 34.4 percent of his pass attempts of 20 yards or more with four touchdowns and four interceptions. So for the third game in a row, I am puzzled why the 49ers continued to push the ball downfield with no legitimate deep threat. It's like a baseball player with warning track power that is swinging for the fences. It's like a basketall player with a mid range jumper that's chucking up 3 pointers. The 49ers are throwing away downs by attempting so many deep balls and this offense isn't good enough to throw away downs. On a number of dropbacks, SEA neglected to cover the RB out of the backfield. This is smart on their part because the 49ers don't use their RBs in the passing game. It is a shame that an offense that likes to 'do it all' in terms of 2TE power run game to 5 wide spread passing, can't get their RBs involved. This allowed the SEA LBs to play back, spy Kap, and cover passing lanes. On to Kap. The only thing SEA did differently from the last game they played was blitz more often. Other than that, it was cover3 and cover1. All night. This isn't hard to read post snap. What's hard is locating the correct route under the good pass rush and good coverage. On many dropbacks, Kap either failed to recognize the correct throw or made a bad throw. It did not seem that there were many designed throws in this game. I think I may have only counted one of the deep throws in the game as the correct throw. All the others were head scratchers. Since Kap and the passing offense is the big story of the week. I will try to cut up each of his dropbacks. At least up until the 4th Q because after that point in the game, who cares. This loss stung bad for me. The 49ers had all offseason to think about what they would do the next time they met SEA and the coaches came up with this gameplan? Kap put forth this performance? Disappointing on so many levels that I stayed away from posting until I had a better understanding of what happened. The focus for me will be on the passing game. The good news (?) is that OAK is next so at least we can renew bragging rights over those chumps across the bay.

Dec 3, 2014 at 2:22 PM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Dropback #10

2nd & 20
SEA: Gives a cover1 man presnap look as if they are coming with a blitz by placing two LBs over the A gaps.
49ers: Because VD is uncovered at the snap, 49ers will try to hit him on a quick Curl to make it a manageable 3rd down situation. Sucker concept to Kap's right.

The two LBs over the A gaps back off. One of them shades over to VD. Standard 4 man rush - it's cover3. Thinking it's a blitz, Kap takes a 1 step dropback and looks left to VD who was uncovered at the snap of the ball.

Kap is mid windup targeting VD's curl.

Because the DL sees a quick 1 step drop by Kap, the DL gets his hand up. Pass is batted at the line of scrimmage. Incomplete.

Harsh Critic cap on: Once Kap saw that it was not a blitz, he could have gathered himself and looked over to the Sucker concept to see SJ open. Still, the line stunt by the left side of SEA's defensive line got through (thanks MMartin) so I'm not sure Kap could have gotten a good throw off.

On 3rd & 20, the 49ers run Gore for +1 yard. This isn't because the 49ers think Gore can pick up the first down by running 20 yards. It's because they don't want to have a turnover at this part of the field by forcing a downfield throw. I've listened to local radio the past couple days and callers call in screaming at the 3rd and 20 run play. smh.

Punt.

This looks like Seattle knowing the Niners playbook and CK's tendencies. I think it's become clear that CK makes a pre snap read and then never adjusts to what he's actually seeing in front of him. Not sure who that was up top on Gore but as soon as the ball is snapped he leaves Gore to jump the route ran by Lloyd. Same thing thing that he got baited into vs the Bears and Eagles. And that linebacker is all over the route to VD as well.

Dec 3, 2014 at 2:23 PM

#62

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Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
There's not a huge need to break down the play, but when you guys were re-watching the game, did earl thomas twist Gore's ankle? I think it's in the 3rd or 4th quarter and the play might have got wiped out by a penalty. Don't know what happened but Gore gets right up in Thomas' face after the play. My first thought was it looked like Thomas was being dirty.

Any insight?

I saw that. The replay showed Thomas twisting Gore's ankles while rolling.

Gore got up to complain and Thomas ignored it and shrugged him off. Thomas knew he f**ked up.

SEA is full of dirty tactics like their s**t bag coach.

Since we are talking about that play...

Dec 3, 2014 at 2:31 PM

#63

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Originally posted by thl408:
Since we are talking about that play...

Looking at in slow motion it doesn't look bad at all, to me. He lets up as soon as he is rolling over.
I think frank was just frustrated.

Edit:
Actually maybe it was franks knee that was getting twisted and tears why he was mad. Still doesn't look like it was intentional.

[ Edited by speedster on Dec 3, 2014 at 2:33 PM ]

Dec 3, 2014 at 2:32 PM

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Originally posted by jacklegniner:
There's not a huge need to break down the play, but when you guys were re-watching the game, did earl thomas twist Gore's ankle? I think it's in the 3rd or 4th quarter and the play might have got wiped out by a penalty. Don't know what happened but Gore gets right up in Thomas' face after the play. My first thought was it looked like Thomas was being dirty.

Any insight?

That's what happened. Gore got in his face, but Thomas just walked away from it like he didn't do anything. Very slick. I don't know why the Niners allow themselves to get punked like this. If they play dirty...you need to speak to these punks in a language they will understand.

Dec 3, 2014 at 2:34 PM

#65

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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Kaep has no trust in his line that they will block for him, nor should he

My man is constantly under duress. VD was blowing by folks. JMart is soft doo doo. I'm supporting Ritchie Incognito every day.

Dec 3, 2014 at 2:49 PM

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Dropback #12

2Q 2nd & 11
49ers: Another play with 3 vertical routes. At least this time there are two short range options.
SEA: cover1 man

Kap hits the top of his dropback and looks left. Neither Lloyd or Boldin have gotten behind their respective CBs. This is when Kap should readjust his vision and think short range. It's 2nd & 11. Work for a manageable 3rd down.

Kap is mid windup targeting Lloyd.

Same time as pic above. VD is a solid option and would have room to run if hit in stride.

Incomplete pass. Crabs (vs Sherman) is probably a better option. At least he has inside leverage on his inside breaking route.

Dec 3, 2014 at 2:53 PM

#67

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Originally posted by speedster:

Originally posted by thl408:
Since we are talking about that play...

Looking at in slow motion it doesn't look bad at all, to me. He lets up as soon as he is rolling over.
I think frank was just frustrated.

Edit:
Actually maybe it was franks knee that was getting twisted and tears why he was mad. Still doesn't look like it was intentional.

I dunno. He grabs the foot and starts to roll. Borderline dirty IMO but since its SEA and Pete i'm sure that's how they are trained to tackle.

We know they are trained to block by taking out your legs illegally.

Dec 3, 2014 at 2:53 PM

#68

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Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
There's not a huge need to break down the play, but when you guys were re-watching the game, did earl thomas twist Gore's ankle? I think it's in the 3rd or 4th quarter and the play might have got wiped out by a penalty. Don't know what happened but Gore gets right up in Thomas' face after the play. My first thought was it looked like Thomas was being dirty.

Any insight?

That's what happened. Gore got in his face, but Thomas just walked away from it like he didn't do anything. Very slick. I don't know why the Niners allow themselves to get punked like this. If they play dirty...you need to speak to these punks in a language they will understand.

Yup. A fist to the mouth will shut them up fast.

Dec 3, 2014 at 3:15 PM

#69

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Dropback #13
2Q 3rd &11

SEA: cover1. Even though SEA brings 6 man pressure, which leaves 5 in coverage (1 defender for each possible route) the 49ers choose to keep Miller in for pass protection. Had Miller went out for a pass, no one is assigned to cover him.

Kap dropsback and looks left to SJ. SJ's CB has inside leverage and is playing soft man (cushion).

Kap is mid windup targeting SJ.

Correct throw as SJ wins on his route. Incomplete pass as it sails wide off target. There was a penalty on Staley for illegal use of hands which would have negated a completion anyway.

Dec 3, 2014 at 3:39 PM

#70

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Drive #6 2Q
1st & 10
Inside Zone
Gore run for -2 yards

Dropback #14
2nd & 12
SEA: Fire zone blitz (5 man pressure, 3 underneath, 3 deep) with pattern matching

Kap takes the snap and first looks to the middle of the field, I think at VD. He red lights VD (or/and Boldin) then looks shallow to Crabs. As soon as Crabs starts his drag route, Sherman passes off coverage over to the LB (!!!), who will match Crabs. I've seen SEA pattern match before, this is nothing new to them.

Sherman leaves his zone to go look for work. He never sees Gore threaten his side of the field. Who cares, the 49ers dont' throw to their RBs anyway. Kap is mid windup targeting Crabs.

The pass is thrown a bit behind and Crabs has to slow down to secure the catch. This kills any potential for RAC yards.

+2 yard gain.

Dec 3, 2014 at 3:47 PM

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To painful to rematch! Thanks for your efforts TH1408

Dec 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM

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Man, it seems like SEA jumps on any WR Kap even twitches to. There must be a reason for this. Caroll and his defense love to gamble but I think it has more to do with having a stud FS back there that can cover some serious ground AND the fact that once Kap looks and sets, he be throwing. Rarely does Kap motion to throw and pull it back.

The plays we did get them on were the VD backside misdirection plays. In the next game, the entire team needs to play a gear higher or the coaches need to devise some creative misdirection plays vs this very aggressive defense. I also want to see pocket movement where Kap sprints to a spot and the OL moves with him.

Dec 3, 2014 at 4:01 PM

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Man, it seems like SEA jumps on any WR Kap even twitches to. There must be a reason for this. Caroll and his defense love to gamble but I think it has more to do with having a stud FS back there that can cover some serious ground AND the fact that once Kap looks and sets, he be throwing. Rarely does Kap motion to throw and pull it back.

The plays we did get them on were the VD backside misdirection plays. In the next game, the entire team needs to play a gear higher or the coaches need to devise some creative misdirection plays vs this very aggressive defense. I also want to see pocket movement where Kap sprints to a spot and the OL moves with him.

Could partially be due to them signing players we had on offense, as recently as Tukuafu and technically Dobbs even though he mainly rotated in the defensive line.

Dec 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM

#74

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Originally posted by thl408:
Since we are talking about that play...

This s**t pisses me off. Seattle continuously takes cheap shot and runs their mouths about everything 49ers. IMO, the only way through this is to punch those motherf**kers right in the mouth. Enough is enough, those guys continue to straddle the line and that's being rather kind as I think most of its very dirty. These f**kers aren't nearly as tough as they act.

[ Edited by Niners816 on Dec 3, 2014 at 4:12 PM ]

Dec 3, 2014 at 4:11 PM

#75

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Originally posted by thl408:
Drive #6 2Q
1st & 10
Inside Zone
Gore run for -2 yards

Dropback #14
2nd & 12
SEA: Fire zone blitz (5 man pressure, 3 underneath, 3 deep) with pattern matching

Kap takes the snap and first looks to the middle of the field, I think at VD. He red lights VD (or/and Boldin) then looks shallow to Crabs. As soon as Crabs starts his drag route, Sherman passes off coverage over to the LB (!!!), who will match Crabs. I've seen SEA pattern match before, this is nothing new to them.

Sherman leaves his zone to go look for work. He never sees Gore threaten his side of the field. Who cares, the 49ers dont' throw to their RBs anyway. Kap is mid windup targeting Crabs.

The pass is thrown a bit behind and Crabs has to slow down to secure the catch. This kills any potential for RAC yards.

+2 yard gain.

What ever happens in regards to our coaching staff, ignoring the backs out of the back field has got to stop. We are probably leaving 500 or so yards a season just out there on the field. If we went into a game exclusively trying to get the backs evolved, the defense would be totally fooled because most of the time they just let the backs run free. Either kaps ignoring or the coaches aren't stressing it but this is a huge opportunity to do something this last month.