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Originally posted by rtj03:Originally posted by OKC49erFan:Not good enough?
We've fallen short of two SBs by mere inches and one other by Williams's fumbles.
A lot of you guys need to pull your head out.
You only get so many chances. We may not ever get the chance again so we needed to capitalize while we were there.
Originally posted by NickSh49:Even if we don't keep 12 (you're right, we won't), there's still value in drafting 12. That's extended looks at these guys throughout training camp. You're never going to get that level of evaluation through pre-draft private workouts.
We're not going to be able to keep 12 guys. That's my counter-argument.
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by NickSh49:Even if we don't keep 12 (you're right, we won't), there's still value in drafting 12. That's extended looks at these guys throughout training camp. You're never going to get that level of evaluation through pre-draft private workouts.
We're not going to be able to keep 12 guys. That's my counter-argument.
Besides, it's not like we could package 4 6's/7's and get another 2nd round pick out of it. The high picks we used (first 3-4 rounds) netted us quality depth -- most, if not all, of them will make the roster.
Originally posted by NickSh49:We're not going to be able to keep 12 guys. That's my counter-argument.
But Baalke couldn't find a trade partner, so it is what it is.
Originally posted by VANiner:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
We're not going to be able to keep 12 guys. That's my counter-argument.
But Baalke couldn't find a trade partner, so it is what it is.
Of course we're not keeping 12, but think about what we will get out of this class (not counting the still TBD 7th rounders):
1. Ward (3rd CB / essentially a starter) - on the 53
2. Hyde (3rd RB off the bench / special teams / future with Lattimore) - on the 53
3. Martin (possible starter this year / future starter for sure) - on the 53
4. Borland (3rd ILB / could be starter until Bowman returns / likely special teams ace) - on the 53
5. Thomas (IR this year / first round talent who likely replaces Iupati) - IR
6. Ellington (slot ability / deep threat / return ability / will be groomed) - on the 53
7. Johnson (likely 4th QB / development for future / great size) - likely on the 53
8. Lynch (rotational DL with a lot of upside) - likely on the 53
9. Reaser (IR this year / will be groomed for depth) - IR
10. Atcher (will compete in camp / who knows) - likely practice squad
The TBD 7th rounders will likely be practice squad guys as well (not to mention the UDFAs we will have). So really, the 7 guys drafted who will likely make the final 53 are going to make this team better. Not to mention Carradine and Lattimore are essentially "rookies" this year. Ask me, pretty darn good haul.
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by VANiner:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
We're not going to be able to keep 12 guys. That's my counter-argument.
But Baalke couldn't find a trade partner, so it is what it is.
Of course we're not keeping 12, but think about what we will get out of this class (not counting the still TBD 7th rounders):
1. Ward (3rd CB / essentially a starter) - on the 53
2. Hyde (3rd RB off the bench / special teams / future with Lattimore) - on the 53
3. Martin (possible starter this year / future starter for sure) - on the 53
4. Borland (3rd ILB / could be starter until Bowman returns / likely special teams ace) - on the 53
5. Thomas (IR this year / first round talent who likely replaces Iupati) - IR
6. Ellington (slot ability / deep threat / return ability / will be groomed) - on the 53
7. Johnson (likely 4th QB / development for future / great size) - likely on the 53
8. Lynch (rotational DL with a lot of upside) - likely on the 53
9. Reaser (IR this year / will be groomed for depth) - IR
10. Atcher (will compete in camp / who knows) - likely practice squad
The TBD 7th rounders will likely be practice squad guys as well (not to mention the UDFAs we will have). So really, the 7 guys drafted who will likely make the final 53 are going to make this team better. Not to mention Carradine and Lattimore are essentially "rookies" this year. Ask me, pretty darn good haul.
It makes a lot of sense when you spell it out that way, plus Stevie.
But here's my counter...
Hyde... 3rd RB taken in three years.
Borland... team seemed pretty high on Wilhoite.
Ellington... may not even make the 53, which means practice squad, which means he could be poached.
But again, what am I arguing for? No one would trade with us in the first round. The Hyde-pick is kind of weird doe.
Originally posted by NickSh49:Originally posted by VANiner:Originally posted by NickSh49:We're not going to be able to keep 12 guys. That's my counter-argument.
But Baalke couldn't find a trade partner, so it is what it is.
Of course we're not keeping 12, but think about what we will get out of this class (not counting the still TBD 7th rounders):
1. Ward (3rd CB / essentially a starter) - on the 53
2. Hyde (3rd RB off the bench / special teams / future with Lattimore) - on the 53
3. Martin (possible starter this year / future starter for sure) - on the 53
4. Borland (3rd ILB / could be starter until Bowman returns / likely special teams ace) - on the 53
5. Thomas (IR this year / first round talent who likely replaces Iupati) - IR
6. Ellington (slot ability / deep threat / return ability / will be groomed) - on the 53
7. Johnson (likely 4th QB / development for future / great size) - likely on the 53
8. Lynch (rotational DL with a lot of upside) - likely on the 53
9. Reaser (IR this year / will be groomed for depth) - IR
10. Atcher (will compete in camp / who knows) - likely practice squad
The TBD 7th rounders will likely be practice squad guys as well (not to mention the UDFAs we will have). So really, the 7 guys drafted who will likely make the final 53 are going to make this team better. Not to mention Carradine and Lattimore are essentially "rookies" this year. Ask me, pretty darn good haul.
It makes a lot of sense when you spell it out that way, plus Stevie.
But here's my counter...
Hyde... 3rd RB taken in three years.
Borland... team seemed pretty high on Wilhoite.
Ellington... may not even make the 53, which means practice squad, which means he could be poached.
But again, what am I arguing for? No one would trade with us in the first round. The Hyde-pick is kind of weird doe.
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by VANiner:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
We're not going to be able to keep 12 guys. That's my counter-argument.
But Baalke couldn't find a trade partner, so it is what it is.
Of course we're not keeping 12, but think about what we will get out of this class (not counting the still TBD 7th rounders):
1. Ward (3rd CB / essentially a starter) - on the 53
2. Hyde (3rd RB off the bench / special teams / future with Lattimore) - on the 53
3. Martin (possible starter this year / future starter for sure) - on the 53
4. Borland (3rd ILB / could be starter until Bowman returns / likely special teams ace) - on the 53
5. Thomas (IR this year / first round talent who likely replaces Iupati) - IR
6. Ellington (slot ability / deep threat / return ability / will be groomed) - on the 53
7. Johnson (likely 4th QB / development for future / great size) - likely on the 53
8. Lynch (rotational DL with a lot of upside) - likely on the 53
9. Reaser (IR this year / will be groomed for depth) - IR
10. Atcher (will compete in camp / who knows) - likely practice squad
The TBD 7th rounders will likely be practice squad guys as well (not to mention the UDFAs we will have). So really, the 7 guys drafted who will likely make the final 53 are going to make this team better. Not to mention Carradine and Lattimore are essentially "rookies" this year. Ask me, pretty darn good haul.
It makes a lot of sense when you spell it out that way, plus Stevie.
But here's my counter...
Hyde... 3rd RB taken in three years.
Borland... team seemed pretty high on Wilhoite.
Ellington... may not even make the 53, which means practice squad, which means he could be poached.
But again, what am I arguing for? No one would trade with us in the first round. The Hyde-pick is kind of weird doe.
I have a minor counter for your counter
1 weve gotten a rb three years in a row but all three of those rbs were first round talent taken in later rounds
2 Bowman is gunna be out at least half the season so what happens if god forbid Wilhoite gets injured and aldon is suspended as well? Who backs up the back ups? Broland has great talent when it comes to stopping the run and blitzing and can be very usefull to us.
3 thats a total possibility but he also could make the 53 because his ability to play special teams as a returner, and his speed as a receiver is something none of our receivers seem to have.
Originally posted by NickSh49:Good points. This is a kitchen counter.
Originally posted by NickSh49:
It makes a lot of sense when you spell it out that way, plus Stevie.
But here's my counter...
Hyde... 3rd RB taken in three years.
Borland... team seemed pretty high on Wilhoite.
Ellington... may not even make the 53, which means practice squad, which means he could be poached.
But again, what am I arguing for? No one would trade with us in the first round. The Hyde-pick is kind of weird doe.
Originally posted by 5280High:I definitely see the logic behind them...
Hyde - Gore is on his last year, LMJ hasnt fit, That leaves us with Lattimore & Hunter, and now Hyde on a team that puts a priority on the run and just watched Lynch put an offense on his back on the way to a SB win. If Lattimore is really at full health we got arguably the two top RBs coming out of college and defenses have no chance to rest.
Borland - Will be a special teams demon to start, and the depth with Wilhoite, Moody and Borland allows us to rest more of our defense and we already have seen the effect that had on our D-line. Plus the Bowman injury will force us to keep 4 ILB while Bowman likely is on the IR or PUP to start the season.
Ellington - Who is saying he wont make the 53? Is anyone really thinking the team would choose a out of work for a year Lloyd over this guy? Crabs, Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington, with Moore for ST. Whoever thinks this kid wont make the roster should put down the crack pipe.