What is Kaeps worth....?

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Give the youngster time. This will be his second full offseason as starter!

Yes but Montana won it his first full season as the starter. Brady too. Therefore Kap should have won it. Russell Wilson won it before he was even born. It was pre-destined before he even descended from the heavens.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Yes but Montana won it his first full season as the starter. Brady too. Therefore Kap should have won it. Russell Wilson won it before he was even born. It was pre-destined before he even descended from the heavens.

Yes we forget that Kap is a special case situation in that we have been converting him from the pistol offense he ran in college

Apparently the same amount of money that they paid Jay Cutler. Playoff caliber QB that hasn't one the big one. $ 18 million per year.

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Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's possible we may never win with Kaep. We give him another year to see if he can win or chokes in the BIG GAME. Lets be straight. He's going to be a 27 year old running QB next year and still has huge development to do in the pocket, going through reads, going through progressions, using ALL his WR's and TE's, touch, accuracy, and maybe most important understanding the SITUATION in the game. Like 42 seconds left, 2 timeouts, 1st and ten at the 18 yard line you don't need to throw a prayer up to the endzone against the best CB in the league who is covering your WR like a glove.

There are just so many MENTAL aspects of the game where Kaep is big time lacking IMO. Is he physically talented? Yes. He's big, strong, powerful, big league arm, super fast running. All that is great. But he just can't seem to process the mental aspect side of the game at this point and IMO you can never win a Super Bowl if he doesn't get better at that. Perhaps he does get better. Perhaps not.

But the time frame on Kaep is shorter than people think on the WZ. He will be 27 next year. 28 and 29 is just around the corner. When the legs go he will be forced into the pocket. A place he does not excel right now or even seem comfortable.

Which is why I am sure we structure his contract to where we can cut him without too much drain on the cap and we will draft and groom his heir apparent or if all else fails we trade him for picks! Plus if Kap sucks it up we will likely fall in standings to where we will be in striking range of another franchise QB. I just don't see Kap regressing, I see him progressing and we all knew he was a project when we drafted him. Plus I thought Russell Wilson just showed us that a running QB can win it all. Some of you can act like Russell was a "pocket QB" but he was anything but. He won by using a heavy dose of the read option and by scrambling and dancing around to buy time or squirt out for yardage. He didn't just "stand and deliver" and the QB that tried to vs SEA (Manning) failed miserably! Kap nearly won it all 2 years in a row as is!

Russell Wilson is not a running QB. He's a pocket passer. The only reason he runs at all is to buy more time to read the field and throw. Kaep runs to run. Wilson runs to see the field longer and throw to an open guy on a broken play. He does this to us every single time we play them. Usually for a 50 yard bomb. I'm surprised people can't see it. At 5'7" 140 lbs. Wilson sees the field way better than Kaep at 6'5" 240 lbs. Strange but true.....

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Russell Wilson is not a running QB. He's a pocket passer. The only reason he runs at all is to buy more time to read the field and throw. Kaep runs to run. Wilson runs to see the field longer and throw to an open guy on a broken play. He does this to us every single time we play them. Usually for a 50 yard bomb. I'm surprised people can't see it. At 5'7" 140 lbs. Wilson sees the field way better than Kaep at 6'5" 240 lbs. Strange but true.....

He ran for 500+ yards last year. That's a running QB. And 5'7" 140?

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

He ran for 500+ yards last year. That's a running QB. And 5'7" 140?

That sounds like a teenager! This guy can't be serious right?

5 years, 15 million per. Very reasonable for both sides, chance for a third contract for Kap.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Russell Wilson is not a running QB. He's a pocket passer. The only reason he runs at all is to buy more time to read the field and throw. Kaep runs to run. Wilson runs to see the field longer and throw to an open guy on a broken play. He does this to us every single time we play them. Usually for a 50 yard bomb. I'm surprised people can't see it. At 5'7" 140 lbs. Wilson sees the field way better than Kaep at 6'5" 240 lbs. Strange but true.....

LOL.........Wilson isn't a pocket passer. He runs around, goes #YOLO and chucks it up for his receivers, when teams actually force him to stay in the pocket like the 49ers and Cardinals did during the regular season, he struggles immensely. It's when you let him out of the pocket that he becomes a major threat.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Russell Wilson is not a running QB. He's a pocket passer. The only reason he runs at all is to buy more time to read the field and throw. Kaep runs to run. Wilson runs to see the field longer and throw to an open guy on a broken play. He does this to us every single time we play them. Usually for a 50 yard bomb. I'm surprised people can't see it. At 5'7" 140 lbs. Wilson sees the field way better than Kaep at 6'5" 240 lbs. Strange but true.....

LOL.........Wilson isn't a pocket passer. He runs around, goes #YOLO and chucks it up for his receivers, when teams actually force him to stay in the pocket like the 49ers and Cardinals did during the regular season, he struggles immensely. It's when you let him out of the pocket that he becomes a major threat.

He still looks to throw OUTSIDE THE POCKET. Unlike our guy who looks to run. He completes a 50 yard bomb on us every time we play them like that. Running around, buying extra time and throwing a bomb. Kaep runs to run. Wilson runs to buy time outside the pocket to find an open guy on a broken play to throw to.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Russell Wilson is not a running QB. He's a pocket passer. The only reason he runs at all is to buy more time to read the field and throw. Kaep runs to run. Wilson runs to see the field longer and throw to an open guy on a broken play. He does this to us every single time we play them. Usually for a 50 yard bomb. I'm surprised people can't see it. At 5'7" 140 lbs. Wilson sees the field way better than Kaep at 6'5" 240 lbs. Strange but true.....

LOL.........Wilson isn't a pocket passer. He runs around, goes #YOLO and chucks it up for his receivers, when teams actually force him to stay in the pocket like the 49ers and Cardinals did during the regular season, he struggles immensely. It's when you let him out of the pocket that he becomes a major threat.

He still looks to throw OUTSIDE THE POCKET. Unlike our guy who looks to run. He completes a 50 yard bomb on us every time we play them like that. Running around, buying extra time and throwing a bomb. Kaep runs to run. Wilson runs to buy time outside the pocket to find an open guy on a broken play to throw to.

lol Wilson can't see in the pocket, he needs throwing lanes. His scramble is much like another old seahawks qb, Jim Zorn, does it to by time for the wr's to get free of of the guy covering them. Also helps because now he doesn't have so many guys blocking his view of the field, he's only better outside the pocket cause of that field of view when your as short as him that opens up almost anything.

I say sign CK7 to a 7 year deal worth 18 million a season with very little guaranteed, say 36 million. This way if he does not perform you do not have to eat the contract, and it becomes a value down the road if he overperforms.

Originally posted by InglewoodCA9ers:

Originally posted by sevenup3000:

Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
All of this ignore the very BIG fact that the offense run by the Niners is not a high percentage passing offense. Kap will never, get the opportunities to put up the numbers you are judging by. Why do you, and some other not get this simple reason why he doesn't have huge passing numbers?

The stat that everyone seems to want to ignore with Kaep is QB rating. It is not a perfect number to judge a QB by, but it still remains the most holistic number we have to attempt to evaluate a QB. Idiotic posters love to say crap like "Stafford threw for 5,000 yards last season...he is great!" Throwing for 5,000 yards is great. It really is. HOWEVER, in the context of throwing the ball 50 times a game, completing about 1/2 of the passes, 5,000 yards in a season becomes less impressive.

Just like a NBA player scoring 35 points on 29 shots. 35 points is nice. However on 29 shots...not nearly as impressive.
The QB rating provides a means by which we can attempt to judge a Stafford...who plays in an offense that chucks the ball 4 times in the Redzone, and refuses to run the ball on 3 and 1, to an offense which features Frank Gore and Colin Kaepernick. Kaepernick's passer rating was superior to Stafford. Does it necessarily mean that Kap had a better year passing the ball? Not really. Does it mean that Kap is even a better passer than Stafford. Absolutely not.

But what is does mean is that generally given the same variables...Kaepernick did a better job in the 49ers passing offense than Stafford did in the Lions.

And it makes far more sense to talk about QB rating...than it is to take about a QB throwing for a bunch of yards against the Packers, Bears, and Vikings defense with the best WR in the league while the other was throwing against the Seahawks, Rams, and Cardinals without his top WR, and a WR core that was completely different than a year ago.

damn another A1 EXCELLENT POST!!!

I just don't get the Kap hate. Coming into this season KAP had literally none of ("0"YES ZERO---unless u count KW as a real WR lol) the WR's he had grown familiar with, cultivated timing with, and developed continuity with the previous yr during the 2012 SB run. Coming into this yr KAPs Fav target = Crabtree-IR, Walker-traded, Moss-Retired, Manningham-IR. Essentially an ALL new cast sans TE VD. Top 10 QB, Holding a QBR above 90 with barely a yr and a half under ur belt! Now that's fuxxing impressive!!!

All this while competing in the TOUGHEST division in Football as a 2nd yr starter against the NFL's most dominating defenses {one of which is a Seahawk #1 passing defense (twice), Carolina, AZ (twice), and even the #4 Saints defense, etc} w/o his #1 receiver most of the season. Wow...a 5 game and 8 game winning streak...yeah Kaps sorry...mediocre...lets draft manziel, trade for Palmer, Cutler, Kolb, CutlESS, Romo, or ANY 4 of MinVikings QBs....smh

Exactly. As I stated, Colin would go ape sh8t crazy playing the defenses of the Packers (he already does) the Bears, and the Vikings 6 times last year. Instead he plays the Cardinals, Rams, and the Seahawks (twice in SEA) in addition to the Panthers (twice) and the Saints (in NO).

If you look at Colin's stats when he played inferior Defenses his numbers are about as good as any ones. Keep in mind that the 49ers often stop throwing the ball after the first Qt in games like TENN and JACK, and of course, his second WR was a guy not qualified to catch passes in DII college football.

Originally posted by 9erred:
I say sign CK7 to a 7 year deal worth 18 million a season with very little guaranteed, say 36 million. This way if he does not perform you do not have to eat the contract, and it becomes a value down the road if he overperforms.

Ya, $18M doesn't sound bad if it's only guaranteed for 36M or less. That means if the Keap doesn't perform, they can cut him or aggressively renegotiate his contract.

I kinda like the yearly "guarantee" rout. When you look at a lot of the other QB contracts, you see why the teams pay that much. With a guarantee worked out well, it removes a LOT of risk of a Cap killing move to cut a player.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
You can Franchise Tag him and force him to stay. There is no downside to forcing him to play out his contract. They should do a deal next year and not this year.

Ask Bmore how that worked out with Flacco. If we win the Super Bowl that 18 mil asking price jumps up to 22.