Originally posted by a49erfan77:I see them all the time.
Am I the only one not seeing the pics on thl408's posts? I see jonny's just fine.
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Dec 20, 2013 at 1:54 PM
- GORO
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Dec 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Given that it appears that CK is looking to Boldin and only Boldin all the way, one could make an argument it was a designed AR1 to Boldin (you can't totally rule it out)...BUT, I agree with thl408 here overall...given Crabtree's reaction one would HAVE to think CK either blew Crabtree as the AR1 on that design or this certainly was a PS play and CK flat out missed the obvious, best option here. Either way, ARG!!!
it happens.
he'll get it corrected.
Dec 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM
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Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Given that it appears that CK is looking to Boldin and only Boldin all the way, one could make an argument it was a designed AR1 to Boldin (you can't totally rule it out)...BUT, I agree with thl408 here overall...given Crabtree's reaction one would HAVE to think CK either blew Crabtree as the AR1 on that design or this certainly was a PS play and CK flat out missed the obvious, best option here. Either way, ARG!!!
it happens.
he'll get it corrected.
I sure hope so!
Dec 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
I sure hope so!
we will.
we tend to deal with too many absolutes.
instead of looking at the entire picture.
there are some plays that he's going to read correctly, some plays he's going to just make a way out of no way. some plays where he makes one decision and it works but there might have been a slightly better option and there are some plays he's just going to flat out miss.
and that applies to even the BEST qb's in the nfl.
if gore doesn't break a run, or if crab or boldin drop a pass we don't immediately say "wow they cannot do this or that"
but that's the case with kap just slow down.. some of us need to.
criticism is fine, we're going over film with a fine tooth which is excellent
you break down anyone's tape there's going to be good and there's going to be bad so i think we have to get some fans to understand this and not believe the sky is falling because he didn't see in real time what we see in still images..
what we know to be true is that nobody works harder than him, and this is coming from his teammates not me or outside sources.
so going forward we will see better and better play.. hasn't his play been arching upwards? and it will continue.. we're seeing him at his genesis, and judging him like he's a 10 year vet. but that speaks to the potential that this guy has..
he damn near won a super bowl winging it...
and with as many injuries to his side of the ball he's face along with the criticism we're 10-4 and on track to make the run of a lifetime again.
demand more, demand him to get better yes.
don't throw him under the bus if a play doesn't work or he doesn't execute..and trust because of his work ethic that he will see the same things we're seeing and improve them.
Dec 20, 2013 at 3:05 PM
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Can you guys please explain why the hell did we sucked sooo bad on defense lastweek when Tampa Bay went with the Hurry-up no huddle offense? Was it coverage breakdown? Or were the CBs playing too soft and giving too much cushion or what? The two series the Buccs went on hurry-up offense, they scored easily, I mean it was like a walk in the park. I was surprised they didn't do it more often. That was definitely our weakness on lastweek's game. Hopefully the team adjust to it.
Dec 20, 2013 at 3:07 PM
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Dp.
[ Edited by 808niner4lyphe on Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM ]
Dec 20, 2013 at 3:13 PM
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Originally posted by NinerGod:
I might have been the only person that liked this play when I saw it real time. You could totally see Snyder miss his block and that's what kept Boldin out of the endzone.
Number 27 of Tampa would have met boldin near the hole. If boldin got by him, then it would have been a TD.
Dec 20, 2013 at 4:33 PM
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Originally posted by NinerGod:
I might have been the only person that liked this play when I saw it real time. You could totally see Snyder miss his block and that's what kept Boldin out of the endzone.
I am not so enamored with this play in the red zone. It's essentially a slow developing play in the backfield. Using a ball carrier who is not used to facing 280lb defensive tackles. Risky. The fake to James is the wrong kind of fake, in my opinion. The fake is a run. So, it's not a fake. The real play is a run. He fakes to the misdirected side of the field, but his action may keep defenders at the real point of attack hovering at the line, instead of dropping back. wouldn't you say Johnny? Would a qb drop or quick pump get players off the line better? not sure. Also, this play seems like its not overly practiced by us. In critical red zone situations, does it help to run plays that we have practiced frequently? I think this is the kind of gadgetry that we have seen often before, instead of say a tight end delay or swing pass to frank on a vacated side of the field. It's a little mystifying honestly.
The one bright spot was vernons block on 54. That was pro.
Dec 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM
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The plays diagrammed on post #274 was a Crabtree read all the way. He was WIDE open. There wasn't anyone within 10 yards of him.
Dec 20, 2013 at 8:36 PM
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Originally posted by xela510:
Can you do an analysis on this play?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000298154/Anquan-Boldin-one-handed-grab
Analysis: BEAST!
boldin beast. kaep missed a WIDE open Crabtree. instead of tossing the football at the defense, Crabtree should have threw it at kaepernicks face.
Yea it's amazing that Crabtree has never dropped a pass ever in his career. Truly amazing.
Dec 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM
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Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Yea it's amazing that Crabtree has never dropped a pass ever in his career. Truly amazing.
are you joking?
i turned my sarcasm meter off for the night
Dec 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM
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Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:I covered the 1st drive earlier in the thread. Basically, Tampa finally started executing against a couple of our coverages and we had 3 really good players make some bonehead moves on 3 of those plays, a bad penalty call, then Glennon made one heck of a throw on the TD.
Can you guys please explain why the hell did we sucked sooo bad on defense lastweek when Tampa Bay went with the Hurry-up no huddle offense? Was it coverage breakdown? Or were the CBs playing too soft and giving too much cushion or what? The two series the Buccs went on hurry-up offense, they scored easily, I mean it was like a walk in the park. I was surprised they didn't do it more often. That was definitely our weakness on lastweek's game. Hopefully the team adjust to it.
One the 2nd TD drive, it was kind of more of the same from the 1st. All correctable things.
Dec 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM
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I'm very interested to see how this offense plays out. It seems that this is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what Roman would eventually like the offense to become. If you look at Vance Mcdonald at Rice, he did the same type of stuff that LMJ did on that Boldin run near the goal line, line up and sweep into the backfield. There might be a couple things you could do out of that formation, Kaep could roll out and hit Crabtree on a post, or follow LMJ on a designed run. The only thing i dont understand is why Boldin? This seems like a good play to isolate a safety on a bigger back. I think Dixon could be ideal for this role if we run this play again.
Dec 21, 2013 at 7:20 AM
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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I am not so enamored with this play in the red zone. It's essentially a slow developing play in the backfield. Using a ball carrier who is not used to facing 280lb defensive tackles. Risky. The fake to James is the wrong kind of fake, in my opinion. The fake is a run. So, it's not a fake. The real play is a run. He fakes to the misdirected side of the field, but his action may keep defenders at the real point of attack hovering at the line, instead of dropping back. wouldn't you say Johnny? Would a qb drop or quick pump get players off the line better? not sure. Also, this play seems like its not overly practiced by us. In critical red zone situations, does it help to run plays that we have practiced frequently? I think this is the kind of gadgetry that we have seen often before, instead of say a tight end delay or swing pass to frank on a vacated side of the field. It's a little mystifying honestly.
The one bright spot was vernons block on 54. That was pro.
Essentially, you saw the same things I did on my previous post but I like your comment even more about the fake handoff...and you have very valid questions:
This is why I prefer gif's to screen shots (although helpful in their own right). When I first watched the play live I thought the play had a chance but felt it probably only would have picked up a few yards b/c of the congestion inside. You can see here the S #37 probably would have closed that gap and filled that hole rather easily with additional help coming from the back side. The play broke down b/c of Snyder naturally but that's the "execution" we're always hearing about. One break down and the entire play blows up.
But, IMHO, I'm OK with the "idea" of the play but the personnel choices and the design is flawed. If HaRoMan wanted this play to work, you don't run any of the top 3 AR's anywhere near the play itself b/c it draws the defenders right into the heart of the play. For one, he's got Boldin in the Q formation with James. Both would be red flags b/c we never use James and if Boldin is in the backfield, something is up (from the D's perspective). Next, he's also got VD on the LOS (there's your other AR who you need to hone in on in the RZ). Those two personnel choices alone are drawing the entire defense to the box. He only has Crabtree split out wide who is only going to decoy out 1 DB (Roman may have been hoping he'd also occupy the S, to be fair).
Probably the best way to win this play on both personnel and design is the following: Huner and James from the Q formation. McDonald at the LOS instead of VD and split out WIDE right any comination 2 of the 3: Crabtree, Boldin and/or VD. The 2 WR's out wide will force the defense to occupy with 3 DB's and McDonald at the LOS will not garner the attention VD would inside (but he's just as effective blocking) and then you run a shiftier RB through that hole and beat the pursuit to the EZ. So good idea Roman but poor personnel choices and your design is slightly off IMO. And naturally, it helps if everyone does their part properly (execution). And props for not running this play inside your own 10.
Dec 21, 2013 at 7:26 AM
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Originally posted by ninerhippy:
I'm very interested to see how this offense plays out. It seems that this is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what Roman would eventually like the offense to become. If you look at Vance Mcdonald at Rice, he did the same type of stuff that LMJ did on that Boldin run near the goal line, line up and sweep into the backfield. There might be a couple things you could do out of that formation, Kaep could roll out and hit Crabtree on a post, or follow LMJ on a designed run. The only thing i dont understand is why Boldin? This seems like a good play to isolate a safety on a bigger back. I think Dixon could be ideal for this role if we run this play again.
Agreed, with the following skill personnel, there are endless possibilities: Miller (ouch), Boobie, Gore, James, Hunter, McDonald, VD, Crabtree, Boldin, Maningham, Patton and CK (arms, legs, IQ).
Endless!