Originally posted by trellblaze:
Originally posted by trellblaze:
Originally posted by cciowa:
i was hoping roman would be fired after the game which did not happen. i then was hoping he would be fired after the walking dead was over which did not happen. I then was hoping i would wake up this morning and he would be fired which did not happen. life is a b***h and then you die
despite the best "efforts" of roman, i believe our state of the franchise is solid, we won three in a row which we could not do last year, you hope more hurt guys will be back and just continue to get better. the start of the game settling for field goals upset me greatly but we closed out the game like good teams do and never let the cards get over the hump.
I think you're a bit hard on Roman. He's a PURE matchup play caller, which sometimes works to his disadvantage. His way is to call the perfect play to exploit the perfect vs maximizing the exploiters greatest strengths. When that works, it's genius. When it doesn't, well we know how that looks.
His run plays are pure genius. It amazes me how people around here see "oh great...another stupid run up the middle". Those people don't understand blocking schemes and don't see the genius in the schemes that Roman designs. The failed runs up the middle is either the result of a GREAT defensive play by the defensive interior or a total missed blocking assignment.
I mean seriously, almost every Frank Gore 10+ yard play comes from a wham block. How many different ways can you run ONE BLOCKING scheme? Apparently Roman has 1000 different ways. If you don't see the genius in that, then I just can't agree. Our run plays are seriously works of art. Watch them closely during a game one sunday. You'll see it.
The thing that frustrates me is always trying to call the perfect play. I think that's when we get into trouble. Sometimes you need to just call a damn play that works and forget about the perfect chess move. Sometimes you have to have a little bit of Singletary in you and force your will upon the opponent.
But yea, that's our offensive philosophy in a nutshell. Get the best matchup you can possibly get in relation to the down/distance/situation. The big pass to Vernon Davis with Kilgor playing WR is a PERFECT example. Kilgor's ONLY purpose was to confuse and freeze the coverage on that side of the field which left Vernon running the perfect route agains the perfect defender. It worked out perfectly. That's what Romans calls are all about. To put the defense in a situation in which it simply cannot win. Period. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's a 10 lb water balloon.
To add to this:
This is also probably the main reason people incorrectly believe that Kaepernick is a one-read QB. A lot of the play calls are designed for everyone on the field to get one person open. That means there's only one read to make, which is: "Are the defenders in the position that this play was designed to put them in?" If the read is "yes", then you pull the trigger. At that point, it's up to the player to make the play or not.
When the coaches say things like "we gotta find a way to get the ball into Vernon's hands" that's the kind of stuff they're talking about. You can't simply rely on basic good old fashioned route running when the Defense's M.O. is to take that player out of the game. You have to call plays that are designed to give the defense no choice but to let their guy match his athleticism with our guy. Whoever wins wins. Wouldn't you like Davis's chances in most of those match ups? Roman certainly does. That's why it often SEEMS like Kaepernick is looking only to throw at Davis. Actually in a sense, he is, because the play is sometimes designed for just that to happen.
Way to go Marvin! Look at the great conversations that are coming out b/c of your starter-post.
Love this conversation...I could not agree more with this topic and responses, in general. I am very close, even found myself yelling it outloud yesterday, saying what Pheonix said. I'm calmer now though but it might be the elephant in MY room at this junction. Why? B/c win or lose, it always seems to come back to Roman who is symbolic of the 30 or so people who put the original game plan together. He is referred too as the "creative" genius but it still appears to me that the real issue is in the offensive philosophy - it's funamental makeup. Trell is spot on re: our passing offense designed to get one receiver the ball (and pray it's open). His run blocking scheme, no question, are stellar...fantastic. But Roman running BOTH on game day continues to mean slow starts, no rhythm for the QB, WR's, RB's or even the OL, feels "fragmented," constantly getting 0 or negative yards on 1st downs, personnel in wrong places at wrong times, head-scratchers, no returns to successful plays in the passing game (esp.), etc.
In short, there is something fundamentlly wrong with this offense and Roman himself on game day and we clearly can see the exact same patterns every game and over time now. In my ideal world, this man would be the offensive assistant (not Mangini) and helping to design the running game and be that extra keen eye up in the booth while we hire a real WCO OC and QB coach. We fuse the two together and utilize and maximize all of our talent...b/c we have a TON.
It's much more than just, "WR's just aren't getting separation" IMHO.
[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM ]
, good food for thought. i hate it when he calls something that works and then once it works, he runs away from it and tries some cute annexation of f**king puerto rico play to show people that he is smarter than the game. that is why i fell off my chair when he actually, mostly, called the same winning plays 18 times in a row yesterday. thats as close to a compliment for him as you will get from me
i just hope that, when those guys get back ,,,, he does not start acting like the f**king nutty professor with igor the hunchback in the lab and start drawing up fake toss pitch diamond and one end arounds