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Aug 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM
- valrod33
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Fire Baalke and Sign Al Davis
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM
- boast
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Originally posted by spizzy:Originally posted by JR80Forever:I stopped reading at Fleming, cause he is no longer on the team. Can't take your opinion seriously when you don't even know the facts. Nice try.
He's on IR
he was last year. he was waived in July
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Waive-Fleming-Sign-Travis-Johnson/471fd05a-1958-4d35-9568-37d877b0c549
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM
- spizzy
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Originally posted by boast:
he was last year. he was waived in July
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Waive-Fleming-Sign-Travis-Johnson/471fd05a-1958-4d35-9568-37d877b0c549
Either way it kinda helps my argument but whatever lol
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:04 AM
- TheRickestRick
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Originally posted by spizzy:Take a chill pill. I'm simply saying that he's not as great as everyone makes him out to be, which is the best GM in football in terms of talent evaluation. He has hit more than he's missed but I was pointing out that the 2012 draft in its entirety is a hard failure, which is pretty rare. AJ is arguably the biggest bust we've ever had which is pretty impressive.
I'm chill, it was more of a LMAO tone I was going for. We just have different views on his abilities and AJ. Bust, yes but worst pick ever? Not even close. He had a luxury pick to use and let his inner Al Davis get the best of him, but Jenkins wasn't a locker room cancer or a wifebeater just no confidence. And to hold injuries against him is lame, unless he drafts an injured player. Like if Carradine or Lattimore never get healthy than yeah hold that against him all you want.
What about Carlos Rogers, Boldin, extending McDonald, bowman,and Ian Williams. We needed a safety this year and so far Baalkes guy looks exactly like what you want out of a rookie.
It's ok not to rank him #1, but your post makes him sound like Donahue, when objectively he is easily top 5 in the league.
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:07 AM
- buck
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Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by spizzy:
Originally posted by JR80Forever:
I stopped reading at Fleming, cause he is no longer on the team. Can't take your opinion seriously when you don't even know the facts. Nice try.
He's on IR
he was last year. he was waived in July
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Waive-Fleming-Sign-Travis-Johnson/471fd05a-1958-4d35-9568-37d877b0c549
As of today, Darius Fleming is listed as being on injured reserve.
http://www.49ers.com/team/roster.html
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM
- TheRickestRick
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Yeah, he's on IR and get another shot next season... The FO said that the day he was waived.Originally posted by buck:Originally posted by boast:Originally posted by spizzy:Originally posted by JR80Forever:I stopped reading at Fleming, cause he is no longer on the team. Can't take your opinion seriously when you don't even know the facts. Nice try.
He's on IR
he was last year. he was waived in July
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Waive-Fleming-Sign-Travis-Johnson/471fd05a-1958-4d35-9568-37d877b0c549
As of today, Darius Fleming is listed as being on injured reserve.
http://www.49ers.com/team/roster.html
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM
- DVDA
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Unrealistic fans gonna be unrealistic.
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:10 AM
- spizzy
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Originally posted by 5280High:
I'm chill, it was more of a LMAO tone I was going for. We just have different views on his abilities and AJ. Bust, yes but worst pick ever? Not even close. He had a luxury pick to use and let his inner Al Davis get the best of him, but Jenkins wasn't a locker room cancer or a wifebeater just no confidence. And to hold injuries against him is lame, unless he drafts an injured player. Like if Carradine or Lattimore never get healthy than yeah hold that against him all you want.
What about Carlos Rogers, Boldin, extending McDonald, bowman,and Ian Williams. We needed a safety this year and so far Baalkes guy looks exactly like what you want out of a rookie.
It's ok not to rank him #1, but your post makes him sound like Donahue, when objectively he is easily top 5 in the league.
I said talent evaluation as in drafting. I don't see how you can argue AJ being the biggest bust, he was the only player besides Carmazzi to have literally ZERO production. And I heard somewhere that he is the first 1st round pick to not make it to his second season for like 30 years. Thats downright sorry. And Carradine, Lattimore, and Dial were all injured when drafted. Lattimore seems to be good to go soon but they are bringing him along slowly. Carradine is a question mark as well as Dial. If they pan out, great. But its pretty risky to take 3 injured players (especially one being a 2nd rounder at a position of need).
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by spizzy:
Originally posted by JR80Forever:
I stopped reading at Fleming, cause he is no longer on the team. Can't take your opinion seriously when you don't even know the facts. Nice try.
He's on IR
he was last year. he was waived in July
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Waive-Fleming-Sign-Travis-Johnson/471fd05a-1958-4d35-9568-37d877b0c549
Injured players who are not claimed when they are waived revert back to the teams injured reserve list for the year.
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:12 AM
- crabman82
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pull up the 2008 draft if u want to see a worse one.
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:13 AM
- spizzy
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Originally posted by crabman82:
pull up the 2008 draft if u want to see a worse one.
Reggie Smith, Josh Morgan, and Larry Grant were all solid contributors. Chilo was a contributor unfortunately
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:13 AM
- NineFourNiner
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I'd much rather have that one guy that NEVER misses a pick. Ever.
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM
- spizzy
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Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
I'd much rather have that one guy that NEVER misses a pick. Ever.
Right, cause that's exactly what I am saying
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM
- crabman82
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Originally posted by spizzy:
Originally posted by crabman82:
pull up the 2008 draft if u want to see a worse one.
Reggie Smith, Josh Morgan, and Larry Grant were all solid contributors. Chilo was a contributor unfortunately
i dont count larry grant. he was cut went to the rams for a couple of season then made his way back as a FA.
Aug 20, 2013 at 10:17 AM
- Disp
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Originally posted by spizzy:
I said talent evaluation as in drafting.
Then you're wrong. We had a top 5 draft class in both 2010 and 2011; basically Baalke's first 2 years as gm. 2012 was a bad draft, but this year is looking good so far. In 2010 we got 2 players who are in the top 3 of their position (Bowman/Iupati) in the league, and Davis isn't far off.