Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by daragon:
Oooo. I think I'm starting to pull away in this debate. Lol. You don't have stats on RW for the next 5 to 10 years. So you can't make the statement of his greatness either. But we sure can make a statement about Brees, because we have his stats. All I'm saying is, as of now, RW is not as good as Drew Brees. You see potential, but so do we in Colin. You think your guy will overcome being a little shorty, and we think Colin can grow with his athleticism. You want to argue odds against proven greatness, portential against record setters. I'm sure Raider fans thought the same thing with their syrup drinker. Simply put, RW is short, abnormally so for a QB. He is going to have to do a lot to stand out going forward. We'll see, but based off of everything I've seen in the NFL as I have grown up, I don't expect a Superman season for RW.
You win my man, can't argue with this kind of logic.. you've clearly demonstrated your point to perfection and have shown me the errors in my argument, and i stand before you a shell of a man in bitter defeat.. congrats..
So let me ask you a question, what is it exactly that Brees does better? is it arm strength, footwork, vision, leadership, etc.. or is it wining SB's and breaking records? Just curious as to what makes Brees more talented..
What? i think it's a legit question.. because based on his argument, it would be fair to say Felix Hernandez is not as talented as Roger Clemens, because Clemens clearly has better numbers wins wise and strike outs to name a few, and has won a championship, Felix has not, so clearly Clemens is the more talented pitcher, regardless of the fact the Hernandez is still early in his career and Clemens is retired..
The only thing that Brees has over almost any QB in the league is his ability to quickly get threw 4 reads. But he's shown an ability to maintain elite QB play for years:
Since going to NO:
2006: 4418yds, 26 TDs, 11 INTs
2007: 4423 yds 28 TDs, 18 INTs
2008: 5069 yds 34 TDs, 17 INTs
2009: 4388 yds 34 TDs, 11 INTs
2010: 4620 yds 33 TDs, 22 INTs
2011: 5476 yds 46 TDs, 14 INTs
2012: 5177 yds 43 TDs, 19 INTs
That... is consistency. He may force too many turnovers, but he's consistently putting up 4500+ yds, 30+ TD years.
If RW can emulate that level of consistency, then the comparison is a good one. But until can prove to have elite consistency, he can't be compared to one of the greats.