Originally posted by VANiner:One thing you have to remember is that many of these guys are writing these articles for attention / traffic on their website. I'm guessing a lot of writers that put out these rumors don't actually believe them.
When I read articles about our "interest" in guys like Revis, Harvin, Bowe, etc., I kind of laugh it off as uninformed media folks writing about what they don't know a thing about. On that note, Mike Sando who covers the NFC West for ESPN, is about the only writer I have seen shoot down most of these rumors...because he actually pays attention to the team.
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The Baalke Effect...
Mar 11, 2014 at 2:39 PM
- theduke85
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Mar 11, 2014 at 5:20 PM
- barrymartin
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:Agreed with all the above. It could look far better than it does now when the info on the contract is revealed. He may be much cheaper than Whitner.
I didn't know it at the time of original post, but pure Baalke. Basically traded Whitner for Bethea, both really rock 'em sock 'em hard hitters, but Bethea is much more likely to prevent a pass being caught than tackling the receiver after the completion. That was my one(and big) complaint about Whitner. Great hitter, but lacking in pass prevention. Bethea is a step up in coverage, and at .5 mil/yr LESS than what Whitner got. PURE BAALKE. Win all the way.
And true to form, I didn't even know who Bethea was until I saw Eonblue's video. Bethea was a guy not in the glittery lites, and nowhere near the top of the FA list. Once I saw the video with #41, I loved the signing. Oh yeah, at .5 mil less per yr than Whitner got. That is Baalke value....at both ends of the deal.
Mar 11, 2014 at 7:22 PM
- WINiner
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I really don't get why Ted Thompson is so highly regarded. He picked a guy who was in the argument for being the #1 pick in the late 20's when he had an aging and yearly contract drama queen in Favre at QB and not much else. Besides that draft pick which he gets faar too much credit for he has been ok imo. He shuns FA far too aggressively, and is overly confident in the continued growth of players who have not shown enough to earn that trust. His defense is and has been total garbage for more than a few years and he allows the good players he has on defense walk with out much of a fight while holding onto guys who are mediocre at best.
My argument is that if he had not lucked into Arod, he's nowhere near a top GM.
My argument is that if he had not lucked into Arod, he's nowhere near a top GM.
Mar 11, 2014 at 7:38 PM
- tohara3
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Baalke doing a great job already at a time I was sure would be slow & quiet for the 49ers! I love our front office so much!
Mar 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM
- Allx9er
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Baalke is BOSSS
Mar 11, 2014 at 7:45 PM
- PowderdToastMn
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Two low key trades today that are smart IMO. Gabbert is a 24 year old QB with a ton of talent, and starting experience. Not only that, you add in the motivation Kap will get from remembering that Gabbert was drafted ahead of him. All of this for a late pick that probably would have been a rookie that was cut from the team.
Martin is a talented and young OL. He does not need to be the mainstay for this OL which will take pressure off him. He has first round talent, and it sounds like we are getting him for a 6th or 7th pick. Again, another pick that would have probably been thrown away on a rookie.
Good stuff, Trent!
Martin is a talented and young OL. He does not need to be the mainstay for this OL which will take pressure off him. He has first round talent, and it sounds like we are getting him for a 6th or 7th pick. Again, another pick that would have probably been thrown away on a rookie.
Good stuff, Trent!
Mar 11, 2014 at 7:47 PM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Two low key trades today that are smart IMO. Gabbert is a 24 year old QB with a ton of talent, and starting experience. Not only that, you add in the motivation Kap will get from remembering that Gabbert was drafted ahead of him. All of this for a late pick that probably would have been a rookie that was cut from the team.
Martin is a talented and young OL. He does not need to be the mainstay for this OL which will take pressure off him. He has first round talent, and it sounds like we are getting him for a 6th or 7th pick. Again, another pick that would have probably been thrown away on a rookie.
Good stuff, Trent!
Exactly...both 1st/2nd round talent at 6-7th round prices. Sort of like Dorsey last year!
Mar 11, 2014 at 7:48 PM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by tohara3:
Baalke doing a great job already at a time I was sure would be slow & quiet for the 49ers! I love our front office so much!
Same here!
Mar 11, 2014 at 9:14 PM
- Gore_21
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Matt Barrows @mattbarrows 1m
Today the #49ers acquired the 10th pick in the 2011 draft and the 42nd pick in 2012 for a 6th round pick and a conditional 7th in 2015.
I remember was it 2012 we had the 2nd most 1st rounders on our team at like 15+. Our SB reaching team was loaded with 1st rounders that others had cast off as bust and no longer wanted but we got more out of them then their drafting teams. With this staff we will gladly take busts at a fraction of the cost and try to turn their careers around. Hard to complain getting 1st and 2nd rounders for late 6s and 7s. It's worth the risk especially when you stock pile picks like us.
Mar 11, 2014 at 9:25 PM
- wysiwyg
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Let's see, I woke up, drank a coffee, went to work
Let's see, Baalke signed a Pro Bowl kicker (Dawson), #3 or 4 CB (Eric Wright), starting safety (Antoine Bethea (to replace Whitner)), traded for a backup QB (Gabbert) that was the #10 overall draft in the very same draft that your starting QB was picked in and whom Harbaugh loves, traded for a backup offensive lineman who was a second round pick that your coach knows better than anyone in the league and got him drafted (really).
Meanwhile, not only did not you not really give up anything (6th, 7th, hello) but you would actually get a compensatory 3rd in the future due to the Whitner signing
And, you still have 11 picks in the upcoming draft, 6 in the first 3 rounds, in what many consider is one of the deepest drafts in the last 10 years
Babies, Babies, y'all be wearing gold plated diapers
Let's see, Baalke signed a Pro Bowl kicker (Dawson), #3 or 4 CB (Eric Wright), starting safety (Antoine Bethea (to replace Whitner)), traded for a backup QB (Gabbert) that was the #10 overall draft in the very same draft that your starting QB was picked in and whom Harbaugh loves, traded for a backup offensive lineman who was a second round pick that your coach knows better than anyone in the league and got him drafted (really).
Meanwhile, not only did not you not really give up anything (6th, 7th, hello) but you would actually get a compensatory 3rd in the future due to the Whitner signing
And, you still have 11 picks in the upcoming draft, 6 in the first 3 rounds, in what many consider is one of the deepest drafts in the last 10 years
Babies, Babies, y'all be wearing gold plated diapers
Mar 11, 2014 at 9:44 PM
- CalNiner49
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Originally posted by wysiwyg:
Let's see, I woke up, drank a coffee, went to work
Let's see, Baalke signed a Pro Bowl kicker (Dawson), #3 or 4 CB (Eric Wright), starting safety (Antoine Bethea (to replace Whitner)), traded for a backup QB (Gabbert) that was the #10 overall draft in the very same draft that your starting QB was picked in and whom Harbaugh loves, traded for a backup offensive lineman who was a second round pick that your coach knows better than anyone in the league and got him drafted (really).
Meanwhile, not only did not you not really give up anything (6th, 7th, hello) but you would actually get a compensatory 3rd in the future due to the Whitner signing
And, you still have 11 picks in the upcoming draft, 6 in the first 3 rounds, in what many consider is one of the deepest drafts in the last 10 years
Babies, Babies, y'all be wearing gold plated diapers
we are so sick.
Mar 11, 2014 at 9:48 PM
- sfout
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Originally posted by MILFS:
Originally posted by wysiwyg:
Let's see, I woke up, drank a coffee, went to work
Let's see, Baalke signed a Pro Bowl kicker (Dawson), #3 or 4 CB (Eric Wright), starting safety (Antoine Bethea (to replace Whitner)), traded for a backup QB (Gabbert) that was the #10 overall draft in the very same draft that your starting QB was picked in and whom Harbaugh loves, traded for a backup offensive lineman who was a second round pick that your coach knows better than anyone in the league and got him drafted (really).
Meanwhile, not only did not you not really give up anything (6th, 7th, hello) but you would actually get a compensatory 3rd in the future due to the Whitner signing
And, you still have 11 picks in the upcoming draft, 6 in the first 3 rounds, in what many consider is one of the deepest drafts in the last 10 years
Babies, Babies, y'all be wearing gold plated diapers
we are so sick.
plus trading for Martin and Gabbert don't negatively impact the Compensatory Pick formula.
Mar 11, 2014 at 9:58 PM
- Disp
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Whitner isn't gonna get us a 3'rd round comp pick. We signed a dude for basically the same deal to replace him.
Mar 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM
- jacklegniner
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Originally posted by wysiwyg:The front office and coaches are working hard. Now we can go back to drafting BPA in the draft or move around to land the guys we really like.
Let's see, I woke up, drank a coffee, went to work
Let's see, Baalke signed a Pro Bowl kicker (Dawson), #3 or 4 CB (Eric Wright), starting safety (Antoine Bethea (to replace Whitner)), traded for a backup QB (Gabbert) that was the #10 overall draft in the very same draft that your starting QB was picked in and whom Harbaugh loves, traded for a backup offensive lineman who was a second round pick that your coach knows better than anyone in the league and got him drafted (really).
Meanwhile, not only did not you not really give up anything (6th, 7th, hello) but you would actually get a compensatory 3rd in the future due to the Whitner signing
And, you still have 11 picks in the upcoming draft, 6 in the first 3 rounds, in what many consider is one of the deepest drafts in the last 10 years
Babies, Babies, y'all be wearing gold plated diapers
Mar 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM
- pasodoc9er
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Sometimes we get a bit short sighted, due to Trent's/Jim's talent evaluations, and like other team's homers, think our GM is the best. The Martin deal was destined to happen, because the kid still wants to play football, had a very good first yr, then fell off. The disgraceful Miami locker room ( and "Coach" didn't know)would be inconceivable in a locker room filled with quality guys like P-52, Staley, Frank, Vernon, Anquan, Justin, Navarro, to name just a few of the incredibly really good guys we have, and that is not even considering their talent. This was THE place for Martin, AND JH knows exactly what he has in this 2nd rd OT. This wasn't necessarily brilliant, but having the best coach(or close to it), the best GM, and overall the best team, sure has it's advantages. Anquan wouldn't have come here otherwise, and then, re-signed. If Martin is a top flite back up, for a 6th or 7th conditional, this is a steal. Oh, he also can play OG.
Better yet, looking at the two CBs signed for $57 mil and $52 mil...you don't see the 9ers doing that kind of thing. With the best and deepest draft in some say 10 yrs, others say 20-30 yrs, this just isn't the time to be blowing a load like that on a CB, no matter how good. I did hear the thought of one of NFL network guys that Rivas could possibly be had for a yr for $6 mil, on a one yr deal...and that is intriguing, but I doubt it. Currently TB is looking at another FA CB now, not well known, but a potential upgrade. Then in draft, I think we get a couple, one high, one in 3rd. The TB attitude is Poco a Poco, or little by little...and no $57 mil CBs.
Better yet, looking at the two CBs signed for $57 mil and $52 mil...you don't see the 9ers doing that kind of thing. With the best and deepest draft in some say 10 yrs, others say 20-30 yrs, this just isn't the time to be blowing a load like that on a CB, no matter how good. I did hear the thought of one of NFL network guys that Rivas could possibly be had for a yr for $6 mil, on a one yr deal...and that is intriguing, but I doubt it. Currently TB is looking at another FA CB now, not well known, but a potential upgrade. Then in draft, I think we get a couple, one high, one in 3rd. The TB attitude is Poco a Poco, or little by little...and no $57 mil CBs.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Mar 12, 2014 at 11:26 AM ]