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Does anyone still believe that we will win the SB this season?
Does anyone still believe that we will win the SB this season?
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:23 PM
- FredFlintstone
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Not with the way roman and harbaugh are running the offense, our offense or some stupid blunder will hold us back
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:24 PM
- Rsrkshn
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To answer the question put just for S and Gs:
1. Do I STILL believe that we win the SB this season? At the beginning of the season, with the offense as then constituted, I did not believe that we would win the SB. So that bit about "STILL" doesn't apply: it is just inserted into the question to lead and inflame. But putting that aside:
2. Do I believe that we will win the SB? No, but I give us a better chance now than before.
What's needed:
1. The Niners need the defense to, at least, pull their weight. I'm not saying that they have to CARRY the team. Just show up, please. Ever since Justin Smith left the line-up, they have pretty much mailed it in. It's been pathetic. You can blame the play of the offense, or CK or whoever, all you want, but it was the DEFENSE that cost the Niners the game in Seattle. They never gave the offense a chance to develop any rythmn because the team got so behind, so fast. They just allowed the Seahawks to methodically march down the field on every drive. If the defense can't do better, the Niners will go nowhere.
2. The coaches need to implement a more creative game plan. I believe that they have been taking a cautious approach. Expanding the playbook slowly; morphing into a bit more of the downfield passing game. This needs to be done faster and in more creative ways. Are they up to the challenge?
3. CK needs to step it up in terms of game management. He's way too herky-jerky in his play-calling and execution. This will also sabotage the offense getting into rythmn. The coaching is at fault here also. They have to PRACTICE this aspect of the game . . . over and over, until it becomes second nature. Keep CK late after practice and just work on it. It just doen't look like they have this part worked out. It's not acceptable.
4. Get over the Seattle game. Put it behind you and work on execution and regaining team intensity. The small of the last game is lingering like a malodorous cancer. Next Sunday cannot come soon enough. Time to move on!
1. Do I STILL believe that we win the SB this season? At the beginning of the season, with the offense as then constituted, I did not believe that we would win the SB. So that bit about "STILL" doesn't apply: it is just inserted into the question to lead and inflame. But putting that aside:
2. Do I believe that we will win the SB? No, but I give us a better chance now than before.
What's needed:
1. The Niners need the defense to, at least, pull their weight. I'm not saying that they have to CARRY the team. Just show up, please. Ever since Justin Smith left the line-up, they have pretty much mailed it in. It's been pathetic. You can blame the play of the offense, or CK or whoever, all you want, but it was the DEFENSE that cost the Niners the game in Seattle. They never gave the offense a chance to develop any rythmn because the team got so behind, so fast. They just allowed the Seahawks to methodically march down the field on every drive. If the defense can't do better, the Niners will go nowhere.
2. The coaches need to implement a more creative game plan. I believe that they have been taking a cautious approach. Expanding the playbook slowly; morphing into a bit more of the downfield passing game. This needs to be done faster and in more creative ways. Are they up to the challenge?
3. CK needs to step it up in terms of game management. He's way too herky-jerky in his play-calling and execution. This will also sabotage the offense getting into rythmn. The coaching is at fault here also. They have to PRACTICE this aspect of the game . . . over and over, until it becomes second nature. Keep CK late after practice and just work on it. It just doen't look like they have this part worked out. It's not acceptable.
4. Get over the Seattle game. Put it behind you and work on execution and regaining team intensity. The small of the last game is lingering like a malodorous cancer. Next Sunday cannot come soon enough. Time to move on!
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM
- SR49er
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Originally posted by verb1der:
At this point I think the Seahawks are going all the way doe
really dude??? lcmon man, the seahawks at home are almost unstoppable but on the road they are average at best.
7-0 at home
3-5 on the road
[ Edited by SR49er on Dec 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM ]
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM
- JustinNiner
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Originally posted by hawker84:
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
w/o justin smith it is hard to think of our defense holding up enough. if we are going to win the SB the offense and offensive playcalling need to carry the team. as long as we keep playing teams that like to throw the ball and have pedestrian defenses i think we have a legit shot.
As for the seahawks i dont think they have a chance since they havent beaten a playoff team on the road andd seeing how they are going to have play road games leading up to the SB. i think they get eliminated in the wildcard round.
in order for you to make this statement , we would first have to face playoff caliber teams on the road. as it stands, the only playoff caliber team we've played on the road is SF...
yea but losing to non playoff teams on the road proves you guys would be in big trouble against a playoff team on the road. you guys are in big trouble if you dont win the nfc west which you probably wont but nothing is written in stone yet
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM
- PowderdToastMn
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Originally posted by kap2crab:I would LOVE to see Seattle again in our house, especially with Justin Smith. Seattle has won 2 games in opposing teams' stadium all year. They barely won in OT in Chicago during the period when Chicago was sucking and they barely won in Carolina while they were getting off to that atrocious start. If we got them again where it wasn't our 4th road game in 5 weeks, we didn't just play 92 snaps of defense the week prior on the other side of the country, and they can't get away with their usual Qwest b******t like Wilson throwing TD passes when the playclock expired, calling a penalty on Culliver for trying to bring a guy to the ground (which turned a stalled drive into a TD drive), etc. we will smack them in the mouth.
I hate to beat the dead horse but I think a lot of it has to do with the QB change. Most playoff teams are settled into what they're doing by week 10. We changed at QB and are growing through the early season growing pains all over again.
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM
- Jtninerfan210
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Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
I totally agree. Using the FB and RB on passes in the end zone, along with the TE's and WR's---someone has to be open. Kaep won't have much time, the pass rush will be on him, so he has to get the ball to the receiver. Red Zone offense can and should be a lot better--this is almost two years under harbaugh now--red zone should be better executed.
That's interesting because I get the sense that Kaep is more willing to take the deep pass into double coverage than take the checkdown. I'm not sure on this but wasn't Alex one of the lead leaders when defenses rushed more than 4? A strong arm and quick feet are awesome to have but I care more about the gray matter inside the QBs head than those things. Hopefully Harbs can get away from that readoption stuff for this game because the Cards defense isn't a slouch.
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM
- thedude
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Originally posted by Beezy33:
Damn, they just said on NFL Live that no 3 seed has won a SB from the NFC since 1990...lettuce get dat dere 2 seed!!!! Maybe we lose to the Cards and become the 5 seed, travel to the winner of the Boys/Skins, then onto Atlanta???? I know we'd have to win 3 road games to reach the SB, but I almost like that better than having to travel to Green Bay if we end up the 3 seed...we would probably end up having to go to Green Bay regardless in the NFC Champ game in that scenario, ehhhhh
Agreed, @ Green Bay and @ Seattle don't appeal but I still like our chances in any other matchup. Would LOVE to play Dallas, in either house, in the playoffs.
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM
- dugo
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Absolutely..Anything can happen once the playoffs start! Its a new season and as long as the 9ers are in the mix..why not? If I didn't believe or hope that they had a chance why would I watch them or be a fan..for me gotta believe and have faith!!..
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM
- JustinNiner
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Originally posted by kap2crab:agree with kap2krab completely
Originally posted by socalniner:
if we don't have to play Seattle, we got a shot.
I would LOVE to see Seattle again in our house, especially with Justin Smith. Seattle has won 2 games in opposing teams' stadium all year. They barely won in OT in Chicago during the period when Chicago was sucking and they barely won in Carolina while they were getting off to that atrocious start. If we got them again where it wasn't our 4th road game in 5 weeks, we didn't just play 92 snaps of defense the week prior on the other side of the country, and they can't get away with their usual Qwest b******t like Wilson throwing TD passes when the playclock expired, calling a penalty on Culliver for trying to bring a guy to the ground (which turned a stalled drive into a TD drive), etc. we will smack them in the mouth.
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:31 PM
- 49erSooner
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Originally posted by Youngb:
How could we not have a chance of making it. We could still possibly get a 1st round bye and even if we don't, a wildcard team has won the past few Super Bowls. The Giants were 9-7 last year in the regular season and ended up winning the Super Bowl.
I thought we were the 49er faithful. Right now, I'm seeing half the people voting on this poll showing no faith at all. I can't believe that many of you give up so easy after one loss .
We got this..
GO NINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM
- sfninerfanMax
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Originally posted by Jtninerfan210:
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
I totally agree. Using the FB and RB on passes in the end zone, along with the TE's and WR's---someone has to be open. Kaep won't have much time, the pass rush will be on him, so he has to get the ball to the receiver. Red Zone offense can and should be a lot better--this is almost two years under harbaugh now--red zone should be better executed.
That's interesting because I get the sense that Kaep is more willing to take the deep pass into double coverage than take the checkdown. I'm not sure on this but wasn't Alex one of the lead leaders when defenses rushed more than 4? A strong arm and quick feet are awesome to have but I care more about the gray matter inside the QBs head than those things. Hopefully Harbs can get away from that readoption stuff for this game because the Cards defense isn't a slouch.
I wasn't being specific to a QB--smith or Kaep but to how the offense is run. Kaep has show that the Niners will now have a better 15+ yards passing game than before, but we also need the short passing game, passes to the RB, slants--stuff that Montana and Young were very successful with. This is especially important in the red zone.
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM
- Jtninerfan210
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I don't get how one could honestly say that we are a powerhouse right now? Having the opinion that as our team is currently playing(not just the last game) we don't stand a chance against the top teams is just reality and doesn't speak of one's loyalty or being Niner faithful! Being able to watch the offense and almost to a play predict what we will be running has to have fans on edge doesn't it? Compare the Thursday night game against Seattle to this past game and you can see a stark contrast in play calling...what, did the coach staff suddenly take a huge regression or are they coaching based on personell? I feel that the flashy pick at QB might not be the correct one this year.
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:49 PM
- rondoman
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Originally posted by Jtninerfan210:
I don't get how one could honestly say that we are a powerhouse right now? Having the opinion that as our team is currently playing(not just the last game) we don't stand a chance against the top teams is just reality and doesn't speak of one's loyalty or being Niner faithful! Being able to watch the offense and almost to a play predict what we will be running has to have fans on edge doesn't it? Compare the Thursday night game against Seattle to this past game and you can see a stark contrast in play calling...what, did the coach staff suddenly take a huge regression or are they coaching based on personell? I feel that the flashy pick at QB might not be the correct one this year.
I get concerned whenever I here we are having to simplify an already stale offense. That doesnt really conjure up any confidence in the playoffs.
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM
- SnakePlissken
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Strength of schedule could be the ultimatum. -I'd prefer a WC route, beat the Bears in our house, go to Lambeau (where ironically Aaron Rodgers has never won in January), and either slide into Atlanta and play a soft Falcons team (which could be battered/bruised after surviving Seattle), or host Seattle/Washington for a Championship game.
Dec 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM
- 49erSooner
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