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Originally posted by pdizo916:
Sit down dixon and ginn


bring up jenkins and james

Yeah lets deactivate our return specialist again, everything worked out just fine the last time Ginn was out in a big game

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Sit down dixon and ginn


bring up jenkins and james

Yeah lets deactivate our return specialist again, everything worked out just fine the last time Ginn was out in a big game

because ginn has been so spectacular this year

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Yeah lets deactivate our return specialist again, everything worked out just fine the last time Ginn was out in a big game

Dude its getting ridiculous. Idk if we just have a bunch of young high schoolers as fans or if some of them are just that lost.


AJ Jenkins has as follows in front of him on the depth chart:

Michael Crabtree
Randy Moss
Mario Manningham
Kyle Williams
Ted Ginn

Seeing as though we don't even use that many 3-4 receiver sets...it makes sense that the team opted for a couple of vets and allowed the young rook to develop without having the enormous pressure of a 1st round pick to play well right away. This way he's not going out there lost, he knows his assignments and is confident enough to complete the task asked of him consistenly. Great move...not going for broke and getting a great prospect who can come in and learn from some good, accomplished vets.


LaMichael James has as follows in front of him on the depth chart:

Frank Gore
Kendall Hunter
Anthony Dixon
Brandon Jacobs

So...lets just say you activate James for the sake of just "trying to get something out of a rookie"...exactly where is he going to play? Seriously. Where is he going to play?? He's not a tackler and he's a very inexperienced return man...so that excludes him from ST duties. He is a bit undersized and needs to get stronger...so that excludes him from short yardage situations. He comes from a spread offense with limited read and react responsibilities, he was placed into space and allowed to make em miss...which coming to a run dominated offense that requires runs between the tackles, makes him a non-factor right now. He offers nothing in pass protection and is allowed to learn behind possibly the best pure runner left in the NFL and easily a top 5 active back in Gore. Hunter already established himself and is the primary backup...because Hunter has improved so much in pass pro...he plays a lot more. Dixon is an excellent ST player and doubles as a pretty decent RB (just hasn't had the reps). Jacobs was signed for a specific purpose and can't even get on the field.



So again...why are we complaining about rookies not playing??? They will be so ready come mimicamp/TC next year that it will truly be a fight to keep them off the field. As of right now...the 49ers do not need them on the field during regular season play...nothing wrong with that at all. Just means we are deep and able to continue the progression of our system by allowing young players the time to let it saturate in their brains and strengthen their bodies to carry it out.

This draft coming up is the one...I believe...where you will see Baalke make a splash in the early rounds for guys that will get significant time.

sorry double post

Originally posted by reasonable1:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Yeah lets deactivate our return specialist again, everything worked out just fine the last time Ginn was out in a big game

Dude its getting ridiculous. Idk if we just have a bunch of young high schoolers as fans or if some of them are just that lost.


AJ Jenkins has as follows in front of him on the depth chart:

Michael Crabtree
Randy Moss
Mario Manningham
Kyle Williams
Ted Ginn

Seeing as though we don't even use that many 3-4 receiver sets...it makes sense that the team opted for a couple of vets and allowed the young rook to develop without having the enormous pressure of a 1st round pick to play well right away. This way he's not going out there lost, he knows his assignments and is confident enough to complete the task asked of him consistenly. Great move...not going for broke and getting a great prospect who can come in and learn from some good, accomplished vets.


LaMichael James has as follows in front of him on the depth chart:

Frank Gore
Kendall Hunter
Anthony Dixon
Brandon Jacobs

So...lets just say you activate James for the sake of just "trying to get something out of a rookie"...exactly where is he going to play? Seriously. Where is he going to play?? He's not a tackler and he's a very inexperienced return man...so that excludes him from ST duties. He is a bit undersized and needs to get stronger...so that excludes him from short yardage situations. He comes from a spread offense with limited read and react responsibilities, he was placed into space and allowed to make em miss...which coming to a run dominated offense that requires runs between the tackles, makes him a non-factor right now. He offers nothing in pass protection and is allowed to learn behind possibly the best pure runner left in the NFL and easily a top 5 active back in Gore. Hunter already established himself and is the primary backup...because Hunter has improved so much in pass pro...he plays a lot more. Dixon is an excellent ST player and doubles as a pretty decent RB (just hasn't had the reps). Jacobs was signed for a specific purpose and can't even get on the field.



So again...why are we complaining about rookies not playing??? They will be so ready come mimicamp/TC next year that it will truly be a fight to keep them off the field. As of right now...the 49ers do not need them on the field during regular season play...nothing wrong with that at all. Just means we are deep and able to continue the progression of our system by allowing young players the time to let it saturate in their brains and strengthen their bodies to carry it out.

This draft coming up is the one...I believe...where you will see Baalke make a splash in the early rounds for guys that will get significant time.

You guys dont seem to be getting the point. You can call me or anyone else questioning the draft immature, or whatever all you ant. Doesnt change a thing. You can keep going back to the strawman arguement about the depth in front of them. Doesnt change a thing.

I understand why they are inactive. Im personally not calling for them to be activated, because quite frankly i dont think they are good enough to be active right now. THAT is why its a failed draft. Celek is the only person to touch the field and he is garbage. In this league, if your #1 and #2 draft pick dont even suit up on gameday, and the rest of your draft class is non existant, then your draft failed.

Your point pretty much spell out why those picks were a disaster. We used our #1 draft pick on a #6 WR, and our #2 on a scat back ith no special teams ability, and average at best receiving skills. Do you pay attention to the draft? have you seen the talent that could have been taken at those positions instead that could have had an immediate impact? The starters on this team are for the most part, superstars, but the depth on this team is greatly overstated, minus the WR/RB position Yet those are the positions we draft for in the first and second? This teams depth and special teams is hurting right now because of this draft, and those of you that cant see it, well i don't know what else to say.

Im not a doom and gloomer. Im fairly level headed. I still think we get a first round bye. I however will call them like i see them if i see a failure, and the 2012 draft was a huge failure. Simple as that.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You guys dont seem to be getting the point. You can call me or anyone else questioning the draft immature, or whatever all you ant. Doesnt change a thing. You can keep going back to the strawman arguement about the depth in front of them. Doesnt change a thing.

I understand why they are inactive. Im personally not calling for them to be activated, because quite frankly i dont think they are good enough to be active right now. THAT is why its a failed draft. Celek is the only person to touch the field and he is garbage. In this league, if your #1 and #2 draft pick dont even suit up on gameday, and the rest of your draft class is non existant, then your draft failed.

Your point pretty much spell out why those picks were a disaster. We used our #1 draft pick on a #6 WR, and our #2 on a scat back ith no special teams ability, and average at best receiving skills. Do you pay attention to the draft? have you seen the talent that could have been taken at those positions instead that could have had an immediate impact? The starters on this team are for the most part, superstars, but the depth on this team is greatly overstated, minus the WR/RB position Yet those are the positions we draft for in the first and second? This teams depth and special teams is hurting right now because of this draft, and those of you that cant see it, well i don't know what else to say.

Im not a doom and gloomer. Im fairly level headed. I still think we get a first round bye. I however will call them like i see them if i see a failure, and the 2012 draft was a huge failure. Simple as that.

you make soem good points but it's way too soon to call this draft a failure. Teams like the steelers usually don't play their rookies right away. I think Jenkins will be a solid receiver and james will be a good scat back next year or the year after. This year, it may be a failure, but teams draft for the future, not immediate satisfaction.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Not premature in the slightest. Celek is the only person that has even touched the field. Draft was aweful. Any spin otherwise is extreme homerism to protect the image of Harbaalke. They failed this year. You cant make any comparisons to past years because you know what? our draft pics contributed. Not so much this year. This is not college football where the rookies coming in should redshirt. This is the NFL. Even the patriots get use out of draft pics as rookies, yet we are so deep we can aford to not have a single player from our draft contribute? please.

So using your logic if you don't have an immediate impact as a rookie your career is over. That's what you're saying when you basically have given up on a draft after only one season.

BTW We do have quality depth at WR and RB. So it's not like these rookies are behind bad players at their positions.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

You guys dont seem to be getting the point. You can call me or anyone ee a thing. You can keep going back to the strawman arguement about the depth in front of them. Doesnt change a thing.

I understand why they are inactive. Im personally not calling for them to be activated, because quite frankly i dont think they are good enough to be active right now. THAT is why its a failed draft. Celek is the only person to touch the field and he is garbage. In this league, if your #1 and #2 draft pick dont even suit up on gameday, and the rest of your draft class is non existant, then your draft failed.

Your point pretty much spell out why those picks were a disaster. We used our #1 draft pick on a #6 WR, and our #2 on a scat back ith no special teams ability, and average at best receiving skills. Do you pay attention to the draft? have you seen the talent that could have been taken at those positions instead that could have had an immediate impact? The starters on this team are for the most part, superstars, but the depth on this team is greatly overstated, minus the WR/RB position Yet those are the positions we draft for in the first and second? This teams depth and special teams is hurting right now because of this draft, and those of you that cant see it, well i don't know what else to say.

Im not a doom and gloomer. Im fairly level headed. I still think we get a first round bye. I however will call them like i see them if i see a failure, and the 2012 draft was a huge failure. Simple as that.

I guess the packers failed in 05 when the selected Aaron Rodgers with their first pick n sat him on the bench for 3 or 4 years. Who could we have taken this year to have an immediate impact? All 11 starters returned on D our online is one of the best in football we have a top 3 duo at RB and our WR core is the best we had since TO bailed in us. Alex n Kaepernick weren't gonna be replaced so where do u see immediate impact?

IdahoNiner--for clarification the "strawman argument" is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of someone's statement. So when people say you can't judge a draft the first year it is not such an argument. Nor is saying the team's strength is such that draft picks can't get on the field. You might think it wrong but it is not a fallacy.

The only time you should judge a draft early is if a team makes a knot-head move, like trading a bunch of picks for a player who is nearly washed up...but George Allen put together some pretty good teams using this method so even that criticism has to be tempered--did they reach the playoffs with that trade? Last years draft was tailored for depth and many picks were made in case vets were either injured or not up to par.

For instance, Boone at RG is a risk, leaving backup OT empty so they took some guys to cover an emergency. The same is true of Jenkins. They believe he will be a good receiver in a year or two but it takes vets like VD half a year to begin to understand the offense, so what is the likelihood of Jenkins catching on right away. James is lightening in a bottle but there is no way he replaces or takes reps away from Gore or Hunter...they are just too good.

At least Jenkins is keeping his mouth shut. Can't wait to see him on the field next year.

Jacobs is a child. LMJ needs to stop hanging out with Jacobs and spend 16 hours out of his day with Gore.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
IdahoNiner--for clarification the "strawman argument" is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of someone's statement. So when people say you can't judge a draft the first year it is not such an argument. Nor is saying the team's strength is such that draft picks can't get on the field. You might think it wrong but it is not a fallacy.

The only time you should judge a draft early is if a team makes a knot-head move, like trading a bunch of picks for a player who is nearly washed up...but George Allen put together some pretty good teams using this method so even that criticism has to be tempered--did they reach the playoffs with that trade? Last years draft was tailored for depth and many picks were made in case vets were either injured or not up to par.

For instance, Boone at RG is a risk, leaving backup OT empty so they took some guys to cover an emergency. The same is true of Jenkins. They believe he will be a good receiver in a year or two but it takes vets like VD half a year to begin to understand the offense, so what is the likelihood of Jenkins catching on right away. James is lightening in a bottle but there is no way he replaces or takes reps away from Gore or Hunter...they are just too good.

So again i ask, Why draft for those positions #1 and #2 overall, if you know there are other depth issues, and you know these guys wont sniff the field for atleast a season?

And please save the definition of a strawman. I know what it is, thats why i stated it. People are useing a strawman argument against my points. They are misrepresenting my statments. Like i said i know why these guys are riding the pine. My arguement is not that they shouldnt be riding the pine based on depth, but that we highly overdrafted at those positions.

You bring up George Allen? guy hasnt been been around since 1990, and please show me one draft where his entire draft class made no contributions year 1.

Originally posted by cmix23:
I guess the packers failed in 05 when the selected Aaron Rodgers with their first pick n sat him on the bench for 3 or 4 years. Who could we have taken this year to have an immediate impact? All 11 starters returned on D our online is one of the best in football we have a top 3 duo at RB and our WR core is the best we had since TO bailed in us. Alex n Kaepernick weren't gonna be replaced so where do u see immediate impact?

Please stop comparing the sitting of a QB, to the sitting of a #1 WR and a #2 RB, as well as the entire rest of the draft class.

We are sitting and developing Kaep as well. QB is the only position in this league that gets a pass.

The immediate Impact should have come with more depth to need positions, (ie backups that get playing time to spell starters) and in special teams.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
So again i ask, Why draft for those positions #1 and #2 overall, if you know there are other depth issues, and you know these guys wont sniff the field for atleast a season?

So our team is good for years to come. When Moss/Gore other players etc retire we can insert our 1st and 2nd round picks that are now vets.

Originally posted by SFrush:
So using your logic if you don't have an immediate impact as a rookie your career is over. That's what you're saying when you basically have given up on a draft after only one season.

BTW We do have quality depth at WR and RB. So it's not like these rookies are behind bad players at their positions.

Where anywhere did i say anyones career as over? I said the draft was a Failure. It as. simple as that. Not one of these guys have even made an impact on special teams. Nowhere have i said i expect superstars right away from the draft, but i do expect contributions from a draft class in the first year.

People want to keep saying its Ok to sit your entire draft class, with the excuse that good deep teams are allowed to do it, but have provided no evidence of any team that has successfully done it. Not only that but the greatly over estimate the depth on this team. Again the deepest sposts on the roster are RB/WR and thats where we spend our pics? If thats the case atleast draft Martin in the first, who would NOT be sitting on the bench right now, And draft a Randle or a Jeffery in the second if they are gonna redshirt for a season anyways

Some of you spinsters are incredible. This draft as mismanaged. simple as that. I happen to really like Harbaalkie, but they screwed the pooch on this one.

Originally posted by Muggins:
So our team is good for years to come. When Moss/Gore other players etc retire we can insert our 1st and 2nd round picks that are now vets.

Why is the development of a #6 WR and a scat back more important then developing quality depth at other positions, while still possibly having those positions contribute in the first year? whether it be on special teams or as a backup that gets playing time?