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Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
So you think a WR thinking his QB, who rarely/never throws a ball up probably wouldn't throw it up is lame?
I think a WR who is paid to play in the NFL should play like the ball is coming his way at all times...yeah..it is lame.
Originally posted by paperplanemedia:
Something I noticed during the game. The Delanie Walker INT could have been avoided had Delanie attacked the ball instead of waiting for it to land in his hands.The other INT to Crabtree, he ran his route behind the defender instead of getting in front of him and attacking the ball. If you saw the play that Carlos Rodgers almost intercepted, Victor Cruz actually had a better shot of catching it because he attacked it at it's highest point before it got to Rodgers (Aikman even pointed this out). I'm tired of seeing our receivers expecting perfect passes and seeing guys on the other team making some tough catches. Attack the damn ball!
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
So you think a WR thinking his QB, who rarely/never throws a ball up probably wouldn't throw it up is lame?
I think a WR who is paid to play in the NFL should play like the ball is coming his way at all times...yeah..it is lame.
That's what he did. He was preparing to catch a ball on stride...just didn't see the defender. This happens a lot when WR's don't realize a defender is there.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
So you think a WR thinking his QB, who rarely/never throws a ball up probably wouldn't throw it up is lame?
I think a WR who is paid to play in the NFL should play like the ball is coming his way at all times...yeah..it is lame.
That's what he did. He was preparing to catch a ball on stride...just didn't see the defender. This happens a lot when WR's don't realize a defender is there.
Which means he wasn't doing his job...he's supposed to be paying attention to such details. While he is running his route, he is supposed to be aware of all the defenders that could come into play.
Originally posted by Joecool:
To an extent, yes. But his main priority is to look the ball in, which he did. It was not man coverage where he would be able to feel the DB out to be ready to fight. It was a floating DB and he would have caught the ball on stride. It wasn't like it was under thrown or anything to where he was forced to stop and leap. You've never seen a WR ready to catch a ball in stride but a DB puts his hands out and also snatches it or a FS comes over and leaps in front leaving the WR with his empty cradled hands?
It would have been different if the ball was underthrown and Delanie had already been forced to slow down and make a leap than compared a WR getting ready to catch a ball on stride.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
To an extent, yes. But his main priority is to look the ball in, which he did. It was not man coverage where he would be able to feel the DB out to be ready to fight. It was a floating DB and he would have caught the ball on stride. It wasn't like it was under thrown or anything to where he was forced to stop and leap. You've never seen a WR ready to catch a ball in stride but a DB puts his hands out and also snatches it or a FS comes over and leaps in front leaving the WR with his empty cradled hands?
It would have been different if the ball was underthrown and Delanie had already been forced to slow down and make a leap than compared a WR getting ready to catch a ball on stride.
My memory is that Walker wasn't at full speed when the ball came down...and you can't argue that he wasn't in range to at least grab the DB's arm and yank. Again...as it has been said, a penalty there was preferable to the INT.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
To an extent, yes. But his main priority is to look the ball in, which he did. It was not man coverage where he would be able to feel the DB out to be ready to fight. It was a floating DB and he would have caught the ball on stride. It wasn't like it was under thrown or anything to where he was forced to stop and leap. You've never seen a WR ready to catch a ball in stride but a DB puts his hands out and also snatches it or a FS comes over and leaps in front leaving the WR with his empty cradled hands?
It would have been different if the ball was underthrown and Delanie had already been forced to slow down and make a leap than compared a WR getting ready to catch a ball on stride.
My memory is that Walker wasn't at full speed when the ball came down...and you can't argue that he wasn't in range to at least grab the DB's arm and yank. Again...as it has been said, a penalty there was preferable to the INT.
Originally posted by Joecool:
I've seen it many times when a WR is left empty handed not aware of the floating defender. WR's rarely make a tackle on the DB in those situations. That's what Walker did. He did not see the defender.
I'm mainly debating this thinking that our WR's don't fight for balls. This specific situation, if Delanie felt a defender near him, he would have fought for the ball. It's difficult to feel out a floating defender.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:I havent checked out the replay, but if the WR is there...he has to knock the ball down even if he gets called for offensive PI
Originally posted by Joecool:
I've seen it many times when a WR is left empty handed not aware of the floating defender. WR's rarely make a tackle on the DB in those situations. That's what Walker did. He did not see the defender.
I'm mainly debating this thinking that our WR's don't fight for balls. This specific situation, if Delanie felt a defender near him, he would have fought for the ball. It's difficult to feel out a floating defender.
No. You are acting as if the S suddenly jumped in front of Walker on a zipped pass as Walker was running and simply snatched it on his way to the other end zone. That's not what happened. Either way, you still seem to overlook that at the very least, it's Walker's job to dislodge the pass from the S. He did nothing, and he had plenty of time to do some damn thing.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
To an extent, yes. But his main priority is to look the ball in, which he did. It was not man coverage where he would be able to feel the DB out to be ready to fight. It was a floating DB and he would have caught the ball on stride. It wasn't like it was under thrown or anything to where he was forced to stop and leap. You've never seen a WR ready to catch a ball in stride but a DB puts his hands out and also snatches it or a FS comes over and leaps in front leaving the WR with his empty cradled hands?
It would have been different if the ball was underthrown and Delanie had already been forced to slow down and make a leap than compared a WR getting ready to catch a ball on stride.
My memory is that Walker wasn't at full speed when the ball came down...and you can't argue that he wasn't in range to at least grab the DB's arm and yank. Again...as it has been said, a penalty there was preferable to the INT.
I've seen it many times when a WR is left empty handed not aware of the floating defender. WR's rarely make a tackle on the DB in those situations. That's what Walker did. He did not see the defender.
I'm mainly debating this thinking that our WR's don't fight for balls. This specific situation, if Delanie felt a defender near him, he would have fought for the ball. It's difficult to feel out a floating defender.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I've seen it many times when a WR is left empty handed not aware of the floating defender. WR's rarely make a tackle on the DB in those situations. That's what Walker did. He did not see the defender.
I'm mainly debating this thinking that our WR's don't fight for balls. This specific situation, if Delanie felt a defender near him, he would have fought for the ball. It's difficult to feel out a floating defender.
No. You are acting as if the S suddenly jumped in front of Walker on a zipped pass as Walker was running and simply snatched it on his way to the other end zone. That's not what happened. Either way, you still seem to overlook that at the very least, it's Walker's job to dislodge the pass from the S. He did nothing, and he had plenty of time to do some damn thing.
Originally posted by Joecool:
You are 100% incorrect. The S had veered over and was set to leap forward/up while Walker was running upfield looking back at the ball. The S then leaped over Walker where Walker was Still looking at the ball and ready to cradle it in. This was a floating defender coming in and leaping infront/over a WR who wasn't aware of that defender's positioning.
In the Troy Smith catch, Delanie was well aware of where the defender was as it was not a floating defender.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Joecool:
You are 100% incorrect. The S had veered over and was set to leap forward/up while Walker was running upfield looking back at the ball. The S then leaped over Walker where Walker was Still looking at the ball and ready to cradle it in. This was a floating defender coming in and leaping infront/over a WR who wasn't aware of that defender's positioning.
In the Troy Smith catch, Delanie was well aware of where the defender was as it was not a floating defender.
Yep. It is you who is no question 100% wrong, Joe. Walker actually stepped to the right and made the catch easier for the S. For you not to see this is just incredible.. Walker's obligation was to plant, turn and jump for the ball at the 38 yd line. If you so much as deny that or refuse to answer, then I will know that you are completely unwilling to ever be honest about anything. You already blatantly lied about zipping your mouth shut about ever assessing a QB again if JTO flopped... and yet you do the opposite and run your mouth about every QB since.