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Greg Roman, is he really good?
Sep 5, 2014 at 7:58 AM
- SJniner7
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Roman sucks ba-tooty! Especially after you watch the playcalling that they give Russell Wilson. Don't get me wrong, he plays very well, but the playcalling makes him look like an MVP. Either that or Green Bay's defense is just that bad.
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:01 AM
- cciowa
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i think there is to much concern about what seattle does around here. best to focus in on your own team and what we do well. if we do not take care of what we need to,, the seattle games will mean nothing
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:03 AM
- verb1der
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smells like Bevell semen up in here
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:05 AM
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Originally posted by cciowa:I think that motto can be said for players but not for us fans, fans have and always will worry about the competition that's the way it is and the way it should be, best way to know your enemy is to get to know them.
i think there is to much concern about what seattle does around here. best to focus in on your own team and what we do well. if we do not take care of what we need to,, the seattle games will mean nothing
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:44 AM
- znk916
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Originally posted by NCommand:
I've thought that for the past three years, the real difference between us and Seattle was play calling and offensive philosophy; it certainly isn't talent or personnel...bad TO's and some poor execution were also apparent BUT, like the muffed punt by Thomas, those can easily be overcome with great game plans and in-game adjustments.
As to Lynch, no doubt. Our passing game struggles like theirs when we don't get Gore going and we haven't gotten Gore going in a critical game in a way now. Why?
For all the hype about us having a power run identity, Roman has repeatedly neglected Gore and the run in crucial games and moments over the years, 2011 NFCCG, end of 2012 SB, and vs Seattle in particular.
In our last 5 games vs Seattle:
Lynch has gotten 19, 26, 28, 20, and 22 carries. Avg 23 carries per game, minimum of 19.
Gore has gotten 16, 6, 9, 17, and 11 carries. Avg 12 carries per game, maximum of 17.
Lynch 115 carries, 493 yds, 4.3 ypc
Gore 59 carries, 299 yards, 5.1 ypc
If you wonder why Lynch dominates the head to head matchups, there's your answer. He gets close to twice the number of carries, and the least carries he's gotten is still more than the most carries Gore has gotten. Seriously wtf?
Everyone is doubting Gore because of 14 yds on 11 carries in his last game.
Keep in mind Lynch got only 33 yds on his first 11 carries in the same game. Not exactly beast mode. Difference being that Seattle kept giving him the ball and on his 16th carry he went beast mode for the 40 yd td.
[ Edited by znk916 on Sep 5, 2014 at 8:44 AM ]
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:44 AM
- cciowa
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Originally posted by Jesu80ncleats:
Originally posted by cciowa:I think that motto can be said for players but not for us fans, fans have and always will worry about the competition that's the way it is and the way it should be, best way to know your enemy is to get to know them.
i think there is to much concern about what seattle does around here. best to focus in on your own team and what we do well. if we do not take care of what we need to,, the seattle games will mean nothing
i know, its human nature but i guess i follow that montra of one game at a time,, cuz if we lose games leading up to seattle, than seattle will mean nothing. the team needs to take care of things in order for those two games to mean what we all think and hope they will mean.. its like last year when JH pissed me off talking so much about clay mathews AFTER the packer game leading up to the seahawk game. its like we did not focus on seattle at all then got our ass kicked.
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:45 AM
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Originally posted by znk916:when you run gore up the middle vs nine men fronts, its little wonder he gains 14 yards on 11 carries
Originally posted by NCommand:
I've thought that for the past three years, the real difference between us and Seattle was play calling and offensive philosophy; it certainly isn't talent or personnel...bad TO's and some poor execution were also apparent BUT, like the muffed punt by Thomas, those can easily be overcome with great game plans and in-game adjustments.
As to Lynch, no doubt. Our passing game struggles like theirs when we don't get Gore going and we haven't gotten Gore going in a critical game in a way now. Why?
For all the hype about us having a power run identity, Roman has repeatedly neglected Gore and the run in crucial games and moments over the years, 2011 NFCCG, end of 2012 SB, and vs Seattle in particular.
In our last 5 games vs Seattle:
Lynch has gotten 19, 26, 28, 20, and 22 carries. Avg 23 carries per game, minimum of 19.
Gore has gotten 16, 6, 9, 17, and 11 carries. Avg 12 carries per game, maximum of 17.
Lynch 115 carries, 493 yds, 4.3 ypc
Gore 59 carries, 299 yards, 5.1 ypc
If you wonder why Lynch dominates the head to head matchups, there's your answer. He gets close to twice the number of carries, and the least carries he's gotten is still more than the most carries Gore has gotten. Seriously wtf?
Everyone is doubting Gore because of 14 yds on 11 carries in his last game.
Keep in mind Lynch got only 33 yds on his first 11 carries in the same game. Not exactly beast mode. Difference being that Seattle kept giving him the ball and on his 16th carry he went beast mode for the 40 yd td.
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:51 AM
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September 4th, 2014 at 3:28 pm Grant Cohn 15 comments
SANTA CLARA — Greg Roman was interviewed Thursday afternoon. Here is a transcript courtesy of the 49ers.
Opening comments:"Afternoon. Lot of excitement for the start of the season, nothing like opening day. We're getting ready to play a very good Dallas Cowboys team. They've got a very experienced and well-recognized coaching staff. I think they've done a very good job, their starting players, in the preseason. We've got our hands full in our preparation. We had a great Wednesday, looking to have a great Thursday. Anybody have any pertinent questions?
You talked a lot in the past about being multiple on offense. Do you feel like this collection of talent that you have on offense gives you that opportunity more than any other time you've been here?"I really like the players we have. The biggest thing we got to do, [CSN Bay Area reporter] Matt [Maiocco], is execute. Our focus is really more on execution, all 11 guys getting their job done. I think that's when we'll reach out potential. I think we've got a lot of players in our offensive room that can contribute to a win every Sunday."
Where do things stand with T Anthony Davis and your right tackle situation?"Well, funny you should ask. Getting to ready to go meet with the trainers here and get an update. Day-to-day at this point."
Was it one of those situations where a guy has a long time off and comes back and strains the hamstring?"I don't know that I'd characterize it as such. It's something minor that he's working through, and I'm getting ready to kind of get the details on it today."
If he can't play, are you comfortable with T Jonathan Martin, who seemed to get better with each preseason game, at least from our perspective?"Your perspective is exactly right. He did. Jonathan is a guy that I had the opportunity to work with at Stanford. Really, really glad to have him on the team, but I'm ready to roll with anybody we put out there."
Does he look stronger to you?"Getting stronger, yeah, definitely. Especially coming off the mono in the spring. I think he's definitely made strides there. He lost a bunch of weight and a lot of the gains he had put together, he had to start back at square one once he got over that little illness."
How daunting a transition is it for C Daniel Kilgore at that position to go for years of not playing very much to being the starter, and center, specifically, as opposed to others?"I think it's much – I don't want to use the word easier – but it's much smoother a transition to be in the role that he has been in and jump into that role as opposed to getting right off the bus as a rookie and having to do it. So, I think Daniel has prepared himself well for that job and really pleased with what he's doing."
Do you have any updated on WR Michael Crabtree?"Again, that's day-to-day. Funny you should mention that. I'm getting ready to go meet with the trainers right now."
You imagine him being pretty geared up to go back to Dallas for the first time and play there."I think he's geared up to play anywhere, really. But I'm sure Dallas has a little special something to him growing up in that area and having family there. He's ready to go. He's a true professional. Mike played last year when he came back in a tough situation for some. He went out, gutted it out and helped us win a lot of football games. And that's what we're looking forward to this year."
Is G/T Alex Boone going to start at right guard?"You know, that's a good question. We'll have to wait and see."
How has he looked physically?"Looks good. He missed some time, but he looks good. I think he's jumped back into the offense. We've cut way back on some stuff, so the stuff we're doing is pretty manageable for him."
Assuming he's in decent physical shape, what would prevent him from being the starter?"We just got to see, evaluate it and make the best decision at the appropriate time. To sit here and say, 'Hey, we're going to do this and do that,' without all the information is not very prudent. When a player rejoins us, we have to consider where he is physically as well as fundamentally and see where that goes at the appropriate time. Anything else would be probably not advisable."
Will you know something like around Friday or so?"Sure [laughter]."
Is the Cowboys' scheme similar to what Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli had two years ago when you faced the Chicago Bears?""It's opening day, you never know what they're going to do. It's a new defense for them. Been very impressed with them. Their starting unit, I think they've done a very good job of keeping people out of the end zone. I don't want to characterize them as a bend-but-don't-break, but during the season, people can look at mindless numbers like yards, but they did a great job of keeping people out of the end zone. Coach Marinelli has had a great career and is a great coach. But it's opening day, so, you never know."
When you bring up mindless numbers like yards, is that something that you guys get attacked a lot about with your passing offense. Yard-wise you were 30th in the league last year. Do you see that as deceiving of what this passing offense could be?"We were top-5 in the league last year in pass offense. I think we had the third or fourth most wins in the league."
Top-5 in pass offense?"I think we were in the top-4 in wins."
What's your measure of passing offense?"Wins. Winning."
So, run offense you're top-5 as well?"We made it. Top-5 in every statistic. Trying to improve it, though. Trying to get it better, guys working hard, working hard every day."
You guys have so many established wide receivers on the roster. How do you work in a guy like WR Bruce Ellington, who showed some nice things, can do a lot of different things in the offense?"Bruce is a guy that every day he gets better, and while he's young, I think he's a very instinctive guy. He's going to be a guy that can really help us in a lot of different ways, I think. He's got a little multi-dimensional ability to him. We'll see. We'll see how it goes."
Part of your offense regularly has been able to kind of physically dominate some opponents. If indeed, you've discussed, you pass more, is that still possible to kind of physically dominate people with your passing 35 times a game?"We're looking for one kind of domination and that is on the scoreboard. And if that happens via running or via passing, it really, big-picture wise, it doesn't really matter. It's all about execution. I think we all see there are teams out there that can live in the extended handoff world, i.e. the short passing game. How efficient you are either running that style of offense or a power-type of offense and what not. I think the key thing is to put your players in the best possible position relative to the team winning. And if that's running or passing, it doesn't matter to us as long as we're getting the results that we're looking for, and that's helping the team win."
What are your thoughts of RB Frank Gore's workload early in the year and also giving yourself a chance to see some of the other guys, like RB Carlos Hyde?"Yeah, that's a tough one because Frank doesn't want to come off the field [laughs]. He's a team guy and he's been on a really good plan this summer. We'll just see how it goes because once the game starts, we're going to do whatever it takes to win the game. At the same time, you don't want to wear out a particular player. We just got to work together on that. If somebody's hot, we've got to stay with the hot hand and try to have a plan ahead of time, though, to where we can utilize each player in a specific manner. Things change in the course of a game, so we'll see how that goes. It's a good question, though."
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September 4th, 2014 at 3:28 pm Grant Cohn 15 comments
SANTA CLARA — Greg Roman was interviewed Thursday afternoon. Here is a transcript courtesy of the 49ers.
Opening comments:"Afternoon. Lot of excitement for the start of the season, nothing like opening day. We're getting ready to play a very good Dallas Cowboys team. They've got a very experienced and well-recognized coaching staff. I think they've done a very good job, their starting players, in the preseason. We've got our hands full in our preparation. We had a great Wednesday, looking to have a great Thursday. Anybody have any pertinent questions?
You talked a lot in the past about being multiple on offense. Do you feel like this collection of talent that you have on offense gives you that opportunity more than any other time you've been here?"I really like the players we have. The biggest thing we got to do, [CSN Bay Area reporter] Matt [Maiocco], is execute. Our focus is really more on execution, all 11 guys getting their job done. I think that's when we'll reach out potential. I think we've got a lot of players in our offensive room that can contribute to a win every Sunday."
Where do things stand with T Anthony Davis and your right tackle situation?"Well, funny you should ask. Getting to ready to go meet with the trainers here and get an update. Day-to-day at this point."
Was it one of those situations where a guy has a long time off and comes back and strains the hamstring?"I don't know that I'd characterize it as such. It's something minor that he's working through, and I'm getting ready to kind of get the details on it today."
If he can't play, are you comfortable with T Jonathan Martin, who seemed to get better with each preseason game, at least from our perspective?"Your perspective is exactly right. He did. Jonathan is a guy that I had the opportunity to work with at Stanford. Really, really glad to have him on the team, but I'm ready to roll with anybody we put out there."
Does he look stronger to you?"Getting stronger, yeah, definitely. Especially coming off the mono in the spring. I think he's definitely made strides there. He lost a bunch of weight and a lot of the gains he had put together, he had to start back at square one once he got over that little illness."
How daunting a transition is it for C Daniel Kilgore at that position to go for years of not playing very much to being the starter, and center, specifically, as opposed to others?"I think it's much – I don't want to use the word easier – but it's much smoother a transition to be in the role that he has been in and jump into that role as opposed to getting right off the bus as a rookie and having to do it. So, I think Daniel has prepared himself well for that job and really pleased with what he's doing."
Do you have any updated on WR Michael Crabtree?"Again, that's day-to-day. Funny you should mention that. I'm getting ready to go meet with the trainers right now."
You imagine him being pretty geared up to go back to Dallas for the first time and play there."I think he's geared up to play anywhere, really. But I'm sure Dallas has a little special something to him growing up in that area and having family there. He's ready to go. He's a true professional. Mike played last year when he came back in a tough situation for some. He went out, gutted it out and helped us win a lot of football games. And that's what we're looking forward to this year."
Is G/T Alex Boone going to start at right guard?"You know, that's a good question. We'll have to wait and see."
How has he looked physically?"Looks good. He missed some time, but he looks good. I think he's jumped back into the offense. We've cut way back on some stuff, so the stuff we're doing is pretty manageable for him."
Assuming he's in decent physical shape, what would prevent him from being the starter?"We just got to see, evaluate it and make the best decision at the appropriate time. To sit here and say, 'Hey, we're going to do this and do that,' without all the information is not very prudent. When a player rejoins us, we have to consider where he is physically as well as fundamentally and see where that goes at the appropriate time. Anything else would be probably not advisable."
Will you know something like around Friday or so?"Sure [laughter]."
Is the Cowboys' scheme similar to what Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli had two years ago when you faced the Chicago Bears?""It's opening day, you never know what they're going to do. It's a new defense for them. Been very impressed with them. Their starting unit, I think they've done a very good job of keeping people out of the end zone. I don't want to characterize them as a bend-but-don't-break, but during the season, people can look at mindless numbers like yards, but they did a great job of keeping people out of the end zone. Coach Marinelli has had a great career and is a great coach. But it's opening day, so, you never know."
When you bring up mindless numbers like yards, is that something that you guys get attacked a lot about with your passing offense. Yard-wise you were 30th in the league last year. Do you see that as deceiving of what this passing offense could be?"We were top-5 in the league last year in pass offense. I think we had the third or fourth most wins in the league."
Top-5 in pass offense?"I think we were in the top-4 in wins."
What's your measure of passing offense?"Wins. Winning."
So, run offense you're top-5 as well?"We made it. Top-5 in every statistic. Trying to improve it, though. Trying to get it better, guys working hard, working hard every day."
You guys have so many established wide receivers on the roster. How do you work in a guy like WR Bruce Ellington, who showed some nice things, can do a lot of different things in the offense?"Bruce is a guy that every day he gets better, and while he's young, I think he's a very instinctive guy. He's going to be a guy that can really help us in a lot of different ways, I think. He's got a little multi-dimensional ability to him. We'll see. We'll see how it goes."
Part of your offense regularly has been able to kind of physically dominate some opponents. If indeed, you've discussed, you pass more, is that still possible to kind of physically dominate people with your passing 35 times a game?"We're looking for one kind of domination and that is on the scoreboard. And if that happens via running or via passing, it really, big-picture wise, it doesn't really matter. It's all about execution. I think we all see there are teams out there that can live in the extended handoff world, i.e. the short passing game. How efficient you are either running that style of offense or a power-type of offense and what not. I think the key thing is to put your players in the best possible position relative to the team winning. And if that's running or passing, it doesn't matter to us as long as we're getting the results that we're looking for, and that's helping the team win."
What are your thoughts of RB Frank Gore's workload early in the year and also giving yourself a chance to see some of the other guys, like RB Carlos Hyde?"Yeah, that's a tough one because Frank doesn't want to come off the field [laughs]. He's a team guy and he's been on a really good plan this summer. We'll just see how it goes because once the game starts, we're going to do whatever it takes to win the game. At the same time, you don't want to wear out a particular player. We just got to work together on that. If somebody's hot, we've got to stay with the hot hand and try to have a plan ahead of time, though, to where we can utilize each player in a specific manner. Things change in the course of a game, so we'll see how that goes. It's a good question, though."
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Sep 5, 2014 at 8:58 AM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I've thought that for the past three years, the real difference between us and Seattle was play calling and offensive philosophy; it certainly isn't talent or personnel...bad TO's and some poor execution were also apparent BUT, like the muffed punt by Thomas, those can easily be overcome with great game plans and in-game adjustments.
As to Lynch, no doubt. Our passing game struggles like theirs when we don't get Gore going and we haven't gotten Gore going in a critical game in a way now. Why?
For all the hype about us having a power run identity, Roman has repeatedly neglected Gore and the run in crucial games and moments over the years, 2011 NFCCG, end of 2012 SB, and vs Seattle in particular.
In our last 5 games vs Seattle:
Lynch has gotten 19, 26, 28, 20, and 22 carries. Avg 23 carries per game, minimum of 19.
Gore has gotten 16, 6, 9, 17, and 11 carries. Avg 12 carries per game, maximum of 17.
Lynch 115 carries, 493 yds, 4.3 ypc
Gore 59 carries, 299 yards, 5.1 ypc
If you wonder why Lynch dominates the head to head matchups, there's your answer. He gets close to twice the number of carries, and the least carries he's gotten is still more than the most carries Gore has gotten. Seriously wtf?
Everyone is doubting Gore because of 14 yds on 11 carries in his last game.
Keep in mind Lynch got only 33 yds on his first 11 carries in the same game. Not exactly beast mode. Difference being that Seattle kept giving him the ball and on his 16th carry he went beast mode for the 40 yd td.
And it's not just the quantity of the carries but the quality (WHEN to call running plays vs. passing plays...the OTHER things we do to loosen things up inside for him...very few passes to him...no short game to get CK warmed up early...no horizontal stretching of the field to spread out the defense...clear predictability...vanilla...conservative esp. in the RZ...etc.). You get all those things corrected and then Gore is going to get his yards in between the tackles. Sure, try to establish him eary and if it works, great! Stick with the plan. But if the defense is clearly playing 9 in the box, change it up and loosen up the defense and THEN get back to Gore once established. These key ingredients are what has been missing. One major issue with Gore is his inability to run off tackle and make defenders pay and guard the entire width of the field. So in that aspect, you make them pay out on the edge with swing passes, delayed flare outs by Gore (like we saw with Lynch), etc. We just don't seem to have that kind of intelligence on this coaching staff...that situational awareness...chess match mentality...ability to set a defense up, etc. We just don't.
BUT, I hope I'm wrong and will certainly wait-and-see the first quarter of this season. Otherwise, I still predict Roman will be fired and will be the scaregoat by week 8 (after Jim talks to his brother, John).
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 5, 2014 at 9:00 AM ]
Sep 5, 2014 at 9:08 AM
- jonesadrian
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we need to get into a rhythm and keep that rhythm and when we're in the rhythm and we go up big don't shut the damn offense down like the game is over in the 3rd quarter. or the 2nd quarter finish the game.
FINISH
it's always finishing with Roman.
if we need a field goal i trust him completely.
if we need a touchdown it's 50/50
FINISH
it's always finishing with Roman.
if we need a field goal i trust him completely.
if we need a touchdown it's 50/50
Sep 5, 2014 at 9:09 AM
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I'm usually pretty reserved and not quick to overreact, but this is the guy that needs to step the f**k up this season. I read the transcript and if he's trying to "dominate on the scoreboard" then he better be trying to avg 28 ppg with this offense. There is no reason a team with the plethora of talent we have should be struggling to put up 20 pts in a game. There was a point when Jeff Garcia was our QB and we were averaging 28 PPG. We have waaay more talent now than any of those offenses had AND they were actually allowed to play defense in those days.
I'm also tired of this "we'll only score TDs if we abosolutely have to, but we'll kick FGs otherwise" mentality he has. If we're up by more than 4 he plays for FGs. If we're down by more than 4 then he'll try to score TDs. If we're down by 3 he'll just have us punt until we're down by 4 or more. No more excuses for this guy. I don't care about yards per game or YPA or any of that s**t. 28 PPG. If we're not getting that with this talent after the first 8 weeks he needs to be fired.
I'm also tired of this "we'll only score TDs if we abosolutely have to, but we'll kick FGs otherwise" mentality he has. If we're up by more than 4 he plays for FGs. If we're down by more than 4 then he'll try to score TDs. If we're down by 3 he'll just have us punt until we're down by 4 or more. No more excuses for this guy. I don't care about yards per game or YPA or any of that s**t. 28 PPG. If we're not getting that with this talent after the first 8 weeks he needs to be fired.
Sep 5, 2014 at 9:13 AM
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I've thought that for the past three years, the real difference between us and Seattle was play calling and offensive philosophy; it certainly isn't talent or personnel...bad TO's and some poor execution were also apparent BUT, like the muffed punt by Thomas, those can easily be overcome with great game plans and in-game adjustments.
As to Lynch, no doubt. Our passing game struggles like theirs when we don't get Gore going and we haven't gotten Gore going in a critical game in a way now. Why?
But the difference I see in their play calling, whether Lynch gets going or not, are the following:
1. Quick, early strikes by Wilson to get him involved early (many on roll outs)
2. Clear game plan to get their best weapons involved early and often
3. Like Baalke noted, they utilized the entire 53.3 yards of width of the field (made the defense defend the entire field, not just between the tackles)
4. Were creative in how they stretched the defense with Harvin which helped get Lynch going inside
5. Got sneaky and got others involved for TD's such as Lockette (remember him?) and their FB on a 4th and 1 for another TD
6. They utilized their TE, spread the ball around to several receivers and didn't give up on them after initial, tight coverage
7. Much better play calling on first downs to set up an open playbook and easy 2nd and 3rd down pickups
8. Utilized their RB in the passing game (used many screens)
9. Didn't ask much from their QB
10 Adjusted to what the defense was doing in-game and esp. at half time
Basically, the Hawks only have two real weapons in Lynch and Harvin (Baldwin is hit/miss). Not only did they still get both involved early and often but the designs foced the defense to be stretched out and then they utilized all the other weapons as well (got everyone involved). It was an excellent game plan and one that had adjustments built in with much creativity.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 5, 2014 at 7:26 AM ]
These are all points NC or I have brought up many times before and bithced about. So let's go over them and see haw romn has rated along these very simple, elemental lines last 3 seasons and PS:
Quick, short , early strikes... F
Utiiize entire width of field....F
and hence allowing Lynch to get going in inside....F
Using one or more early plays to set up others....double F
Great 1st down play calls thus opening up playbook on 2nd and 3rd down...F (romn has us at 60% runs on 1st down..predictably)
Used all receivers on the team, incl Lockette and FB for TDs. ....double F on this one.
Using TEs to spread ball around(like #5 above) ...F
Using RB in passing game...double F
Didn't ask too much of Qb, basically really managed game well...F
Made adjustments to D in game and at half...double F.
Ok, that is just the opinion of two fans, but my grading. Compare that with the exact opposite of Blevins, and you see a massive, monumental difference in how the SEA OC has made their team not just great, but fantastic. With one lousy guy. ONE. And that is what I see holding us back, even with a HC I respect and like. Now many have made the comment that if you don't like the OC calls then you are commenting on the HC also...who actually may be the one making many of these calls. We know he certainly agrees with them.
But what has happened here is that with the best GM, Baalke, who has brought not just starting talent, but great back up talent here, baalke has allowed the key guy to be not just sub standard, but really substandard. "Learning as he goes" according to romn himself. Well that got us to 3 NFCC games, incl 1 SB game, all of which we lost. Not until the last loss, however, was this incredible difference in OCs ever been brought into such stark contrast. It is as if baalke's work has all been pointless.
I guess the question would be, "just how long baalke will tolerate this". Initially I thot one yr, then NC raised me and said half yr, and now I wonder if 3-4 games in, whether we win, split or lose them all, will baalke continue to allow a vastly under-prepared OC literally gut out all the good baalke has done." Someway, somehow, I don't think baalke will sit still for much more of romn...and for that matter JH. Because as NC has said several times, when you talk about one you are talking about the other.
The game last nite just put this into sharp contrast as to what we don't have, and what exactly we need. And I sincerely doubt baalke doesn't have 3 or 4 guys on speed dial if romn doesn't do a 180 degree turnaround. Frankly it would surprise me if he did, but, there is always hope. Still, if we don't markedly improve across the board on the bullet points above, romn is gone before much longer. I don't think baalke can stomach much more of this than the fans can. Just an opinion.
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Sep 5, 2014 at 9:52 AM
- bigwads
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Roman, F&*$(% sucks. He has one of the most dangerous compilation of skill position talent and offense line talent and our offense pitters around middle of the pack every year and does absolutely nothing to scare anyone. It is unimaginable, uninspiring and boring. We could seriously get any high school football coach to run a high school offense and it wouldn't look any different.
He doesn't use the talent of the team at all. Roman is the most overrated OC in the NFL by far.
Behind the scene, it really wouldn't surprise me if the friction between Harbaugh and Baalke is that Baalke wants Roman gone.
He doesn't use the talent of the team at all. Roman is the most overrated OC in the NFL by far.
Behind the scene, it really wouldn't surprise me if the friction between Harbaugh and Baalke is that Baalke wants Roman gone.
[ Edited by bigwads on Sep 5, 2014 at 9:55 AM ]
Sep 5, 2014 at 9:56 AM
- lamontb
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
we have more options this year ..there should be no excuses to run a handcuffed & limited offense , we need to be aggressive while maintaining balance with the run game ...if it looks like Jimmy Raye is calling the plays again, Harbaugh needs to assume play calling responsibility
He already does. He signs off on each play before it goes in. This is HIS offensive Bo Schemblacher offense mixed in with some Pistol and some WCO designs (not principles).
Exactly. This is JH's offense.
Sep 5, 2014 at 8:14 PM
- brodiebluebanaszak
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I've thought that for the past three years, the real difference between us and Seattle was play calling and offensive philosophy; it certainly isn't talent or personnel...bad TO's and some poor execution were also apparent BUT, like the muffed punt by Thomas, those can easily be overcome with great game plans and in-game adjustments.
As to Lynch, no doubt. Our passing game struggles like theirs when we don't get Gore going and we haven't gotten Gore going in a critical game in a way now. Why?
But the difference I see in their play calling, whether Lynch gets going or not, are the following:
1. Quick, early strikes by Wilson to get him involved early (many on roll outs)
2. Clear game plan to get their best weapons involved early and often
3. Like Baalke noted, they utilized the entire 53.3 yards of width of the field (made the defense defend the entire field, not just between the tackles)
4. Were creative in how they stretched the defense with Harvin which helped get Lynch going inside
5. Got sneaky and got others involved for TD's such as Lockette (remember him?) and their FB on a 4th and 1 for another TD
6. They utilized their TE, spread the ball around to several receivers and didn't give up on them after initial, tight coverage
7. Much better play calling on first downs to set up an open playbook and easy 2nd and 3rd down pickups
8. Utilized their RB in the passing game (used many screens)
9. Didn't ask much from their QB
10 Adjusted to what the defense was doing in-game and esp. at half time
Basically, the Hawks only have two real weapons in Lynch and Harvin (Baldwin is hit/miss). Not only did they still get both involved early and often but the designs foced the defense to be stretched out and then they utilized all the other weapons as well (got everyone involved). It was an excellent game plan and one that had adjustments built in with much creativity.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 5, 2014 at 7:26 AM ]
These are all points NC or I have brought up many times before and bithced about. So let's go over them and see haw romn has rated along these very simple, elemental lines last 3 seasons and PS:
Quick, short , early strikes... F
Utiiize entire width of field....F
and hence allowing Lynch to get going in inside....F
Using one or more early plays to set up others....double F
Great 1st down play calls thus opening up playbook on 2nd and 3rd down...F (romn has us at 60% runs on 1st down..predictably)
Used all receivers on the team, incl Lockette and FB for TDs. ....double F on this one.
Using TEs to spread ball around(like #5 above) ...F
Using RB in passing game...double F
Didn't ask too much of Qb, basically really managed game well...F
Made adjustments to D in game and at half...double F.
Ok, that is just the opinion of two fans, but my grading. Compare that with the exact opposite of Blevins, and you see a massive, monumental difference in how the SEA OC has made their team not just great, but fantastic. With one lousy guy. ONE. And that is what I see holding us back, even with a HC I respect and like. Now many have made the comment that if you don't like the OC calls then you are commenting on the HC also...who actually may be the one making many of these calls. We know he certainly agrees with them.
But what has happened here is that with the best GM, Baalke, who has brought not just starting talent, but great back up talent here, baalke has allowed the key guy to be not just sub standard, but really substandard. "Learning as he goes" according to romn himself. Well that got us to 3 NFCC games, incl 1 SB game, all of which we lost. Not until the last loss, however, was this incredible difference in OCs ever been brought into such stark contrast. It is as if baalke's work has all been pointless.
I guess the question would be, "just how long baalke will tolerate this". Initially I thot one yr, then NC raised me and said half yr, and now I wonder if 3-4 games in, whether we win, split or lose them all, will baalke continue to allow a vastly under-prepared OC literally gut out all the good baalke has done." Someway, somehow, I don't think baalke will sit still for much more of romn...and for that matter JH. Because as NC has said several times, when you talk about one you are talking about the other.
The game last nite just put this into sharp contrast as to what we don't have, and what exactly we need. And I sincerely doubt baalke doesn't have 3 or 4 guys on speed dial if romn doesn't do a 180 degree turnaround. Frankly it would surprise me if he did, but, there is always hope. Still, if we don't markedly improve across the board on the bullet points above, romn is gone before much longer. I don't think baalke can stomach much more of this than the fans can. Just an opinion.
Read more at http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/168162-greg-roman-really-good/page262/#QvzLTgpirRxbfwoA.99
I ....can't...stop...laughing....
so right on
It's simple. If our new offensive philosophy this season is to call a handful of new gadget plays and trick formations with better talent were scr*wed. That simple. Won't need to wait until week 14 to assess that. week 3 will do.