The play-calling is still my major concern.
What made our great teams great was a Passing Attack - attack being the key word.
Passing on 3rd & long is a no-brainer. IMO, Roman/JH must attack on the ground and in the air.
We now have receivers I hope we use them that way.
No country ever won a war fighting it defensively - they won it by going on the attack.
We'll see what we have very soon.
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Greg Roman, is he really good?
Sep 4, 2014 at 8:09 PM
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Sep 4, 2014 at 8:14 PM
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Will find out soon enough. He has no more excuses this year.
Sep 4, 2014 at 8:16 PM
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Originally posted by tohara3:he has not done it in two years, what makes you think he will start to do so now? i maintain we will have to win games in spite of roman. that is pretty s**tty but apparently that is the mode of operation with out football team
Sure hope Roman watched some of the playcalling on the both sides from this game. He needs to use all his weapons & attack defenses at all levels on all parts of the field.
Sep 4, 2014 at 8:17 PM
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Originally posted by 190836:
Will find out soon enough. He has no more excuses this year.
why did we give him so many excuses and lives in the first place?
Sep 4, 2014 at 8:23 PM
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Originally posted by tohara3:Sure hope Roman watched some of the playcalling on the both sides from this game. He needs to use all his weapons & attack defenses at all levels on all parts of the field.
Darrell Bevell is just on another level.
Sep 4, 2014 at 8:25 PM
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Damn there was lot of creative play calling by seattle, must be nice
Sep 4, 2014 at 9:07 PM
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I honestly don't think Roman is the main problem. I think the whole offensive philosophy set by Harbaugh is just too conservative. Lets hope they'll open it up this year.
Sep 4, 2014 at 9:11 PM
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It just goes to show what a really brilliant guy can do. Learning on the job isn't in that guy's vocabulary. Anybody watching that game saw exactly what we need. We don't need jim's friend. We need a guy who truly is a genius at playcalling. And he isn't the only guy out there. Maybe roman can step it up. But following that act, which showed us in bold letters what we need...is not what we got. Trent is bringing in the best talent he can find. Maybe change is on the way. It wouldn't be good for roman to not call an A+ game after watching this one. But even if roman did call a great game, would it be as good as this? I wonder. This was a great lesson in objectivity. You could quantify it. Along the same line you could quantify our game calls. The difference is self evident.
Sep 4, 2014 at 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
It just goes to show what a really brilliant guy can do. Learning on the job isn't in that guy's vocabulary. Anybody watching that game saw exactly what we need. We don't need jim's friend. We need a guy who truly is a genius at playcalling. And he isn't the only guy out there. Maybe roman can step it up. But following that act, which showed us in bold letters what we need...is not what we got. Trent is bringing in the best talent he can find. Maybe change is on the way. It wouldn't be good for roman to not call an A+ game after watching this one. But even if roman did call a great game, would it be as good as this? I wonder. This was a great lesson in objectivity. You could quantify it. Along the same line you could quantify our game calls. The difference is self evident.
Well said.
Sep 5, 2014 at 7:07 AM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Sure hope Roman watched some of the playcalling on the both sides from this game. He needs to use all his weapons & attack defenses at all levels on all parts of the field.
Darrell Bevell is just on another level.
The Bevell level, if you will. I agree, they looked crisp and sharp ... almost everything seemed to work. It still all hinges on Lynch though. He is such a scary runner, that play action is almost always 100% effective. He is the most important player on that team IMO. More than Wilson, Harvin or any of their defensive studs.
Sep 5, 2014 at 7:12 AM
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Yea I can't front on Bevell. I'm not sure the niners would even use Harvin in so many ways if they did get him. He really opens up their offense with his speed to go with Lynch's power and running style. I remember laughing when they drafted Carpenter but he's a beast at guard.
[ Edited by lamontb on Sep 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM ]
Sep 5, 2014 at 7:20 AM
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Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Sure hope Roman watched some of the playcalling on the both sides from this game. He needs to use all his weapons & attack defenses at all levels on all parts of the field.
Darrell Bevell is just on another level.
The Bevell level, if you will. I agree, they looked crisp and sharp ... almost everything seemed to work. It still all hinges on Lynch though. He is such a scary runner, that play action is almost always 100% effective. He is the most important player on that team IMO. More than Wilson, Harvin or any of their defensive studs.
I've thought that for the past three years, the real difference between us and Seattle was play calling and offensive philosophy; it certainly isn't talent or personnel...bad TO's and some poor execution were also apparent BUT, like the muffed punt by Thomas, those can easily be overcome with great game plans and in-game adjustments.
As to Lynch, no doubt. Our passing game struggles like theirs when we don't get Gore going and we haven't gotten Gore going in a critical game in a way now. Why?
But the difference I see in their play calling, whether Lynch gets going or not, are the following:
1. Quick, early strikes by Wilson to get him involved early (many on roll outs)
2. Clear game plan to get their best weapons involved early and often
3. Like Baalke noted, they utilized the entire 53.3 yards of width of the field (made the defense defend the entire field, not just between the tackles)
4. Were creative in how they stretched the defense with Harvin which helped get Lynch going inside
5. Got sneaky and got others involved for TD's such as Lockette (remember him?) and their FB on a 4th and 1 for another TD
6. They utilized their TE, spread the ball around to several receivers and didn't give up on them after initial, tight coverage
7. Much better play calling on first downs to set up an open playbook and easy 2nd and 3rd down pickups
8. Utilized their RB in the passing game (used many screens)
9. Didn't ask much from their QB
10 Adjusted to what the defense was doing in-game and esp. at half time
Basically, the Hawks only have two real weapons in Lynch and Harvin (Baldwin is hit/miss). Not only did they still get both involved early and often but the designs foced the defense to be stretched out and then they utilized all the other weapons as well (got everyone involved). It was an excellent game plan and one that had adjustments built in with much creativity.
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 5, 2014 at 7:26 AM ]
Sep 5, 2014 at 7:29 AM
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Originally posted by NCommand:100% agree with this. When our offense is on the field it looks like we have to scratch and claw for every single yard. I think this has to do with the lack of creativity. Teams know what we are going to do, but due to our talent we can usually still do it enough to just get by (winning by last second field goal or stopping the other teams last drive). This Seattle game made them look like every yard was easy. Wilson had receivers running wide open and the holes for them to run through were huge. They dont have a more talented offense then us, but they sure made it look like it.
I've thought that for the past three years as being the real difference between us and Seattle...play calling and offensive philosophy; it certainly isn't talent or personnel.
As to Lynch, no doubt. Our passing game struggles like theirs when we don't get Gore going and we haven't gotten Gore going in a critical game in a way now.
But the difference I see in their play calling, whether Lynch gets going or not, are the following:
1. Quick, early strikes by Wilson to get him involved early (many on roll outs)
2. Clear game plan to get their best weapons involved early and often
3. Like Baalke noted, they utilized the entire 53.3 yards of width of the field (made the defense defend the entire field, not just between the tackles)
4. Were creative in how they stretched the defense with Harvin
5. Got sneaky and others involved for TD's such as Lockette (remember him?) and their FB on a 4th and 1 for another TD
6. They utilized their TE, spread the ball around to several receivers and didn't give up on them after initial, tight coverage
7. Much better play calling on first downs to set up an open playbook and easy 2nd and 3rd down pickups
8. Utilized their RB in the passing game
9. Didn't ask much from their QB
10 Adjusted to what the defense was doing in-game and esp. at half time
Basically, the Hawks only have two real weapons in Lynch and Harvin (Baldwin is hit/miss). Not only did they still get both involved eraly and often but had the defense stretched out and then utilized all the other weapons as well and got everyone involved. It was an excellent game plan and one that had adjustments built in with much creativity.
I definitely DO NOT want Harbaugh to leave, but after watching this game, maybe it wouldnt be as bad as I initially thought.
Sep 5, 2014 at 7:29 AM
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we have more options this year ..there should be no excuses to run a handcuffed & limited offense , we need to be aggressive while maintaining balance with the run game ...if it looks like Jimmy Raye is calling the plays again, Harbaugh needs to assume play calling responsibility
Sep 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM
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Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
we have more options this year ..there should be no excuses to run a handcuffed & limited offense , we need to be aggressive while maintaining balance with the run game ...if it looks like Jimmy Raye is calling the plays again, Harbaugh needs to assume play calling responsibility
He already does. He signs off on each play before it goes in. This is HIS offensive Bo Schemblacher offense mixed in with some Pistol and some WCO designs (not principles).