[ Edited by Allx9er on May 23, 2012 at 1:52 PM ]
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Which is More Important to You?
Which is More Important to You?
May 23, 2012 at 1:46 PM
- Allx9er
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wins are most important. i do want to see more TD's/game less fg's, +/- a game or two in the win loss column wont bug me as much as seeing the same offensive production.
May 23, 2012 at 1:46 PM
- niners9
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Stats are only important if your team sucks
May 23, 2012 at 1:51 PM
- 80849er4life
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This is one of the dumbest q's i have ever heard, so ur telling me "We play to have big stats"?(in my best Herm Edwards voice)
May 23, 2012 at 1:57 PM
- JerryRice1848
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This is like saying would you rather lose a fight while winning four rounds to two, or win a fight while losing three rounds to one.
May 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM
- fly15
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Wins are more important but your top WR needs to catch more then 5 balls in two playoff games.
Wins are more important but the starting qb needs to have more than 495 yds the entire postseason.
so he avg's 250 a game....in reg season that would be 4K yards
I'm fine with that
well, he didnt get 4k in reg season not even close, he avg 196.5 yrs/g
I'm fine with that, while our defense can win the games
May 23, 2012 at 2:50 PM
- genus49
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I think it's pretty obvious that wins are more important. The problem is they usually go hand in hand. I've done this in some other threads but you're going to win more games when your qb throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs than you are with your qb throwing for 200 yards and 2 TDs.
People tend to counter that by saying but a qb who throws for 300 yard and 3TDs also throws for 2 INT but that doesn't have to happen. There are plenty of qbs in this game who put up big numbers and don't turn the ball over.
When you play games close at some point you can run out of luck. That's what unfortunately happened to us vs the Giants. Lost the turnover battle, played too safe on offense and lost a close game.
People tend to counter that by saying but a qb who throws for 300 yard and 3TDs also throws for 2 INT but that doesn't have to happen. There are plenty of qbs in this game who put up big numbers and don't turn the ball over.
When you play games close at some point you can run out of luck. That's what unfortunately happened to us vs the Giants. Lost the turnover battle, played too safe on offense and lost a close game.
May 23, 2012 at 3:21 PM
- Mr.Mcgibblets
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I believe it was verified that in the games Cam Newton and the Panthers won? Cam had modest stats... and in the games they lost, he threw for gaudy stats? Why? because the D sucked and they needed him to force passes downfield for large yardage, no? So, how many games did our D suck and force our QB to throw for large yardage?
... yeah, maybe vs the Eagles... and he sorta did. Had around 200 yds passing in just that 2nd half, no?
jus' sayin'....
... yeah, maybe vs the Eagles... and he sorta did. Had around 200 yds passing in just that 2nd half, no?
jus' sayin'....
May 23, 2012 at 3:55 PM
- Mr.Mcgibblets
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.... and just like that, lolz.
Eric Branch
It was mentioned that the #49ers ranked 29th in yard per game last year.
Alex Smith REALLY doesn't like that stat: "This is the honest truth, I could absolutely care less on yards per game. I think that is a totally overblown stat because if you're losing games in the second half, guess what, you're like the Carolina Panthers and you're going no-huddle the entire second half and, yeah, Cam Newton threw for a lot of 300-yard games. That's great. You're not winning, though."
http://www.sulia.com/source/S-869111/?source=twitter&guid=5ba0ead7-9d66-4b01-bb28-b1e040c872db
May 23, 2012 at 4:04 PM
- DirtyP
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Stats are not for nerds. %99 percent of all diehard sports fans love stats. If you try to say you don't care about stats at all you are probably just some blowhard armchair coach.
[ Edited by DirtyP on May 23, 2012 at 4:04 PM ]
May 23, 2012 at 4:14 PM
- OKC49erFan
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Originally posted by DirtyP:Stats are not for nerds. %99 percent of all diehard sports fans love stats. If you try to say you don't care about stats at all you are probably just some blowhard armchair coach.
Funny how your application is so narrow.
May 23, 2012 at 4:25 PM
- JustinNiner
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Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
efficient > prolific
They dont need to be mutually exclusive though.
yep.
i started bustin up when i saw this lol
May 23, 2012 at 4:25 PM
- DirtyP
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Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Funny how your application is so narrow.
It was meant to be funny
May 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM
- WildBill
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Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
see Montana vs. Marino.
Marino did not play against Montana. He played against the Ronnie Lott and the 49er's D and Montana played against the Dolphins D. If you remember, the Defense was P.O. hearing the Montana vs Marino thing. Lott said Marino ain't playing against Montana, he's playing the Niner's D.
Stats always matter in a win. You need to score more than the other guys. Like I have said, if the niners D and ST falls off to a certain degree, the offense will need to up theres to compensate. Now does the offense have to be Bree's or Rogers like? No, but they they gotta gain the yards and score the TDs when presented the opportunity so that the D can rest and do their thing.
Last year we were on the good side of a thin ice. As they say, football is a game of inches. last year we won those few inches for the win, but if we lose those few inches in one area, it has to be made up in others or will fall thru the ice and lose. Especially this year with a supposed tougher schedule.
I can see it now if the defense and ST slips up a little, people here will blame the D. When in fact more offense would have made it easier.
May 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM
- 49erfeeeever808
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Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
see Montana vs. Marino.
Marino did not play against Montana. He played against the Ronnie Lott and the 49er's D and Montana played against the Dolphins D. If you remember, the Defense was P.O. hearing the Montana vs Marino thing. Lott said Marino ain't playing against Montana, he's playing the Niner's D.
Stats always matter in a win. You need to score more than the other guys. Like I have said, if the niners D and ST falls off to a certain degree, the offense will need to up theres to compensate. Now does the offense have to be Bree's or Rogers like? No, but they they gotta gain the yards and score the TDs when presented the opportunity so that the D can rest and do their thing.
Last year we were on the good side of a thin ice. As they say, football is a game of inches. last year we won those few inches for the win, but if we lose those few inches in one area, it has to be made up in others or will fall thru the ice and lose. Especially this year with a supposed tougher schedule.
I can see it now if the defense and ST slips up a little, people here will blame the D. When in fact more offense would have made it easier.
i think you miss my point. i'm not talking about when they played against each other. i'm talking about career achievements.
Montana won the championships
Marino put up big numbers.
who's better?
May 23, 2012 at 5:08 PM
- WildBill
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
I believe it was verified that in the games Cam Newton and the Panthers won? Cam had modest stats... and in the games they lost, he threw for gaudy stats? Why? because the D sucked and they needed him to force passes downfield for large yardage, no? So, how many games did our D suck and force our QB to throw for large yardage?
... yeah, maybe vs the Eagles... and he sorta did. Had around 200 yds passing in just that 2nd half, no?
jus' sayin'....
Stats not withstanding, wouldn't it be better if the O could score also as well as having a good D. To score more points, you need to cross the enemies territory and get into the endzone. Not being to able to move the ball and relying on filed goals makes it harder for a team and puts you on thin ice. You move the ball a little but can't get enough to score a TD, The other sideonly needs to score 1 TD and they win the game. Give me 2 TDs over four FGs. As it means you crossed the field ate up the clock and gives your D more to work with.