Poll: Peyton or Alex?

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by BSofSF:
A 28 year old Alex Smith will be comparable in production to a 36 year old Peyton Manning and will cost less than half the price. And if he backslides, why did we just trade picks to move up for Kaepernick? I thought the whole plan with the front office was that they were not trying to capture lightning in a bottle, but were building for a long, sustained run. Overpaying for Manning seems a little impulsive for a team as solid as the Niners. Manning is overrated at this point in his career. There, I said it.

we have had to watch Alex Smith for the last 7 seasons and you make a post and tell us that Manning is overrated? Thats some funny stuff!

I said Manning was overrated at this point in his career. He is not worthy of the largest contract in football. I'm not even sure if he'll be a better football player than Alex Smith next year, who at 28 is coming into his prime. At his best, Manning was amazing. I won't disrespect his past achievements for a moment. But I don't want my team to spend the next five year's discretionary cap money on a guy who is turning 36, who had multiple neck surgeries, and who looked like he was fading even before he went down with injury. [Insert cheesy laughing symbol here].

DON'T BE AFRAID OF GREATNESS NINER FANS!!!

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Everybody should vote for Alex, cause voting for Peyton might hurt Alex's feelings.

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Question for Tom Condon, who represents both. RT: @CShaw23: @espn_nfcwest What are chances SF misses on Peyton and Smith signs elsewhere?

so what if that happens? I doubt any other team will pay or offer what the 49ers have on the table for Alex Smith. If anything its way to much.

if it happens...we have a Kap starting, is that the better alternative? I wouldn't put it past Pete to offer Alex something to hurt us.

I think Pete is not going to offer Alex Smith the $$$ the 49ers are. And what makes you think Alex Smith would want to go up the Seattle and have to face our defense two times a season? Alex Smiths best bet is to wait and see what happens before he makes a move.

Well what you think and what actually happen are different. What is the best way to cripple that div champs...take the QB away. Why would Alex, because of years of abuse and getting dicked over why not return the favor.

So is losing Manning and Smith worth the risk...because the Hawks become the new favorite to win the Div...and losing to a Smith led Hawks team would be f**king horrible to watch.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by BSofSF:
A 28 year old Alex Smith will be comparable in production to a 36 year old Peyton Manning and will cost less than half the price. And if he backslides, why did we just trade picks to move up for Kaepernick? I thought the whole plan with the front office was that they were not trying to capture lightning in a bottle, but were building for a long, sustained run. Overpaying for Manning seems a little impulsive for a team as solid as the Niners. Manning is overrated at this point in his career. There, I said it.

Then why offer Alex a contract at all? Alex for three years or Manning for three years? A just comparing Alex's production to Mamming's is laughable.

Your response is incomprehensible. At 36 years of age, and after several neck surgeries, Manning is over the hill. At this point in his career he's a marginal upgrade over Alex Smith coming into his prime years, given age and health. Prime v. Prime, Manning is clearly the better player and one of the greats. But Manning was declining before his injury. He certainly looked like no Superman when the Niners confused and pressured him all day in 2010. He is not worth mortgaging the future for and it would be a mistake. This whole story is total media generated hyperbole that Manning and his agent, Condon, are lapping up because it will drive his price throught the stratosphere.

"Smith coming into his prime" going into his what 8th year! lol

"Marginal Upgrade" you know we were 29th in passing last year right?

How was Manning declining exactly?

Didn't he win that game that he looked confused in?

And we're not mortgaging the future, CK ethier learns behind Alex or Manning

Originally posted by danimal:
DON'T BE AFRAID OF GREATNESS NINER FANS!!!

Apparently we love mediocrity.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by danimal:
DON'T BE AFRAID OF GREATNESS NINER FANS!!!

Apparently we love mediocrity.

NFC championship game is mediocrity....?

Put it this way, I would be happy with one, content with the other. So it's a win win.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by danimal:
DON'T BE AFRAID OF GREATNESS NINER FANS!!!

Apparently we love mediocrity.

NFC championship game is mediocrity....?

The QB play was, Im not talking about team performance.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by modninerfan:

Originally posted by 49erJim:
I just don't see Alex Smith having another season like he had in 2011. This season is going to be harder on him. That being said our defense is good enough to take us to the playoffs, once we get there is Alex Smith going to be good enough to get us into the super bowl? Not so sure about that, Manning on the other hand could be GREAT with the 49ers for 3 or 4 years with the defense we have and another WR and a few better O-Line Men.

lol, and what makes you think we'll accomplish that when Manning is asking for 25 million a year?

Lack of knowledge makes him think that. These guys still think we're in the days of Eddie D. paying anyone and everyone whatever they want. Our payroll was so far beyond every other team it was ridiculous.

Let's all say it together.... SALARY CAP!!!

I bet I have more knowledge then you, that being said, the 49ers can make the numbers work, Manning will get whatever he wants from any team he wants to sign with. Thats the way it works in pro sports with the superstars. The 49ers have a great defense, the offense needs huge help. Manning fills most of that huge help......

If you say so... LOL

you keep saying Salary Cap, do you have any idea that it can be raised each and every year? It could be $200 million in a few years.....Manning will go to whatever team he picks and whatever team that is will be able to find a way to sign him. If the 49ers are the lucky team they will be fine in the seasons to come and find a way to make the numbers work. The team will not fall apart due to then getting Manning...LOL to you!

It could be raised to $1 billion, let's pay him $100 million per year!!!

If we don't sign Manning it will not be over money, it will be that Manning picks another team. Any NFL team could find a way to get the dollars worked out even the skins.....

You obviously do not know more than me. Or anyone else on this forum. Everyone here knows this is ALL about the money dude. What are you smoking right now?

If Manning is willing to play for less, he'll be a 49er. If he wants a 5 year $90 million deal with $60 million in the first two years, it won't be in SF. We can't make that happen.

Perhaps you need AB to teach you a lesson...

I don't need AB or you, Its not all about money with Manning, hes going to get his money no matter who gets him, Jimmy Har would not have made the trip with Roman and doctors if they could not sign Manning. You need to stop. If the 49ers could not afford him they would never have wasted anytime on him and pissed off Alex Smith. You need to stop thinking that we can't afford him because the 49ers can. what part of that don't you understand??

What part of we only have $16 million of cap space this year available to sign FA's do YOU not understand?

And "piss off" Smith? Lol come on man. These guys are professional athletes, not babies. This is the business side, they're used to dealing with this.

Its more then $16 mil and I am sure Alex Smith is not very happy right now. Its human nature. Trust me Alex Smith is not feeling much Love right now from the 49ers. Just look at what happened in Denver with Cutler.......I think he was a pro athlete and a good QB as well. Business is Business, but no many QB's are used to what Alex Smith is going thru right now after a very good season and a NFC Championship Game winning 13 games and only 5 Int season. Alex Smith is pissed

Read - http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/98000-2012-49ers-salaries-updated-recent-signings/

We have $19 million in space, but need about $3 million to sign our drafted players. I'm no mathematician but I'm pretty sure that leaves us with $16 million.

Comparing Alex Smith's character to Jay Cutler's is laughable. Are you even a fan of the Niners? Been following Smith's career? He's been through far worse than the Niners showing interest in another QB.

No I have never seen Alex Smith play......I am a raiders and cowboys fan. Trust me the 49ers have slapped Alex Smith in the face and kicked him in the balls on this one, but I guess you know Alex Smith better then me. The 49ers can make the numbers work, and they can still get good players. If you are so worried about the cap, so be it. Manning on the 49ers in 2012 would mean a playoff or superbowl, With Alex Smith I am not so sure of even a playoff spot.

Originally posted by BSofSF:
I said Manning was overrated at this point in his career. He is not worthy of the largest contract in football. I'm not even sure if he'll be a better football player than Alex Smith next year, who at 28 is coming into his prime. At his best, Manning was amazing. I won't disrespect his past achievements for a moment. But I don't want my team to spend the next five year's discretionary cap money on a guy who is turning 36, who had multiple neck surgeries, and who looked like he was fading even before he went down with injury. [Insert cheesy laughing symbol here].

Reports have been out for weeks that Manning was willing to take a contract that is incentive filled. I dont think he comes close to being the highest paid player in football coming off this injury.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by danimal:
DON'T BE AFRAID OF GREATNESS NINER FANS!!!

Apparently we love mediocrity.

NFC championship game is mediocrity....?

The QB play was, Im not talking about team performance.

Please. You're better than that comment. That kind of statement makes you look silly.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by danimal:

DON'T BE AFRAID OF GREATNESS NINER FANS!!!

Apparently we love mediocrity.

NFC championship game is mediocrity....?

What were we on third downs that game?

Originally posted by taney71:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by danimal:
DON'T BE AFRAID OF GREATNESS NINER FANS!!!

Apparently we love mediocrity.

NFC championship game is mediocrity....?

The QB play was, Im not talking about team performance.

Please. You're better than that comment. That kind of statement makes you look silly.

Is it wrong to improve the offense.

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by danimal:
DON'T BE AFRAID OF GREATNESS NINER FANS!!!

Apparently we love mediocrity.

NFC championship game is mediocrity....?

What were we on third downs that game?

how many times did we run on 3rd down?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by danimal:
DON'T BE AFRAID OF GREATNESS NINER FANS!!!

Apparently we love mediocrity.

NFC championship game is mediocrity....?

What were we on third downs that game?

how many times did we run on 3rd down?

Well with this interest in Manning its pretty clear WHY we ran on 3rd downs. You wont be running on 3rd downs with PM.