Originally posted by tjd808185:I don't think we're too far apart. The only thing we actually disagree about is what value they placed on Manning. We both agree it was nowhere near 90 million but were we separate is starter and backup value. I think the scenario that you're advocating is a slap in the face to Peyton and I don't think we'd bother doing that.
You're still arguing points I'm not making and have never made. How can we disagree about the value they placed on Manning when I've never even speculated or insisted the value they placed on him. I've stated numerous times (and agreed with you) that Baalke & Harbaugh probably thought the "insulting" scenario was highly unlikely. I've also stated that I don't think their intention was to simply offer the "insulting" scenario right off the bat. Let me make this clear, I DID NOT speculate what their bottom line offer to Peyton was. However, I DID speculate that Harbaugh & Baalke considered every scenario (which includes likely/unlikely and best case/worst case). With our cap situation and roster structure, the 49ers obviously couldn't match Peyton's $90M+ demand (the numbers just don't work out to make it possible). Therefore, they considered the possible alternatives (and I mean ALL the alternatives) of how Peyton can fit on the team without changing the roster structure.
Off-topic, but let me ask you 2 questions:
1. Given the fact that Randy Moss (one of the greatest WRs of all time) was guaranteed $0 and has to compete just to make the team, did you think he signed an "insulting" contract?
2. In 1987, Joe Montana went 10-1 as a starter, led the league in passing percentage (66.8%), led the league in touchdown passes (31), led the league in QB rating (102.1), went to the Pro Bowl, made 1st team All Pro, and already had 2 Super Bowl MVPs under his belt. The following season, he was forced into a QB competition against Steve Young (who at the time was considered a bust, had a 5-17 career record, a career passing percentage of 53%, and 21 touchdowns/21 interceptions over 3 NFL seasons). Did you think the QB competition was an "insulting" situation for Joe Montana?
Originally posted by tjd808185:I want to apologize once again for any rudeness I displayed to you, and I do respect your opinion I just don't agree with it. I don't think we were trying to insult Alex in anyway shape or form. One of the greatest qbs ever called and we did our due dillegence and gaged his interest. I don't even think we got the part of what is value as a Niner was. It was us looking at him and saying could this work and neither side felt too comfortable about it. It's very likely that we were looking at the football aspect of this. Forget contracts although I'm sure we had ceiling number in mind. Here's one of the greatest qbs to ever play the game let's see how he fits with what we do and if that all works out and both sides are liking what they see we can talk out a deal from there.
I agree that the situation wasn't an insult to Alex and I also agree that Harbaugh/Baalke were just evaluating Peyton. I never disputed anything you said in the quote above. We're pretty much in agreement that Manning contacted us, we checked him out, and nothing serious happened. I'm not sure what this adds to the argument.
[ Edited by candlestick49er on Jun 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM ]