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Originally posted by 12b6demurrer:
Originally posted by AKfanster:
The Edwards signing doesn't mean anything. He can be good or he can be very average.
Remember how D-Jax worked out?

Braylon Edwards is way better than D Jax and D Jax was on the tail end of his career.


Edwards is a classic underachiever that gets into too much trouble. That wasn't the point.
The point is, fans tend to hype up a player in the off-season when they really don't have much reason too.

This free agency period has been horrible for this team. Every big name free agent that the Niners went after simply refused to play for this team. EVEN WHEN THE NINERS OFFERED MORE MONEY THAN OTHER TEAMS, guys still didn't want to play here.
Baalke signs a couple guys that nobody really wanted and we're supposed to "eat crow" ? Gimme a break
i'm surprised how so many people can't be a little happy that the niners made some moves and we're actually gonna get to watch some football in a couple months. eat crow or not... be happy.
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
I still want to know who thinks we have actually gotten better?

We have a WR who has motivation/legal issues who may or not be able to play when we need him most.

Otherwise, we have added players on the same level (more or less) as who they replaced.

We haven't gotten worse, which a week ago seemed like the case, but have we actually improved in any substantial way?

I'm glad we weren't stagnant, and relying on drafted rookies and UDFAs to take the spots of vets, but as a whole, we have basically the same level of talent as we had last year.

Meanwhile, pretty much everyone else in our division added talent and improved significantly.

Maintaining the status quo, and/or slight improvement is hardly enough to make me uber-positive.

I still look at our schedule and find it hard to think we will better than 8-8 at best.

I think how good the team will be is a different debate. Its infinite. It depends upon how good you think the players are that we lost, and how good the players are that we picked up.

Obviously, the coaching staff did not think highly of many of our players, such as Manny Lawson, Aubrayo Franklin, Nate Clements and maybe Takeo Spikes.
Lawson and Franklin could have been had for a reasonable price, but we obviously did not want to pay it.

What I like about our front office, is that they baalk at prices that are too high. For example, they did not feel it was worth it to pay Lawson 3 million for example. Maybe they thought he was worth a little less than that. We can argue about what we think Lawson is worth (and I liked Lawson), but our front office was not being "cheap" as some fans have suggested, rather, they pay what they believe a player is worth.

But to try and make a case, I would say...

1) They think fairly highly of Bowman.
2) They feel Sopoaga can play NT just as well as he can play end (despite the fact that he was tried there before).
3) They did not think Lawson was an every-down player and they feel Aldon Smith can become an every-down player at the same position.
4) They thought Goldson and Clements wanted too much money, so they brought in players with the same or better ability.
5) Free agency is not over, and because of the wise spending, we still have money left.

One of our main problems was pass rush, so we upgraded with McDonald (a pass rush specialist) and Sopoaga (a better bull rusher than Franklin). We also got Aldon Smith, who looks promising so far. We now have three D-lineman capable of pushing the pocket; Sopoaga was always much better at bull-rushing guards and centers, then he was bull-rushing tackles, and McDonald can apply pressure from the edge much better than Sopoaga. Throw Aldon Smith into the mix to replace Lawson, and we now have four players who can get after the quarterback. Before this we had, 1 1/2 (Smith, and part-time McDonald).

How will our run defense hold up? That is what remains to be seen. Can McDonald hold the edge? Can Soap hold the middle? Can Aldon learn quickly? I think we'll be OK, we have the underrated RJF to back up any position on the line. If Soap can play nose at least as well as RJF has played, we should be fine.

The team is trying to improve, and obviously did not see the value in keeping 3-4 players who could only be on the field as pass-rush (Laboy) or run-stop (Franklin) specialists.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Aug 4, 2011 at 10:11 PM ]
Originally posted by PickNo24toGB:
i'm surprised how so many people can't be a little happy that the niners made some moves and we're actually gonna get to watch some football in a couple months. eat crow or not... be happy.

dude, its all about not getting nnamdi, it was nnamdi or bust.

For the price of potentially getting nnamdi, we got Edwards, Goodwin, Akers, Rogers, Williams and Whitner.

Easy trade off, rather spend 16M on 6 players, 5 of which are very good quality, over 1 guy, one guy is never the savior.
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Originally posted by AKfanster:
Originally posted by 12b6demurrer:
Originally posted by AKfanster:
The Edwards signing doesn't mean anything. He can be good or he can be very average.
Remember how D-Jax worked out?

Braylon Edwards is way better than D Jax and D Jax was on the tail end of his career.


Edwards is a classic underachiever that gets into too much trouble. That wasn't the point.
The point is, fans tend to hype up a player in the off-season when they really don't have much reason too.

This free agency period has been horrible for this team. Every big name free agent that the Niners went after simply refused to play for this team. EVEN WHEN THE NINERS OFFERED MORE MONEY THAN OTHER TEAMS, guys still didn't want to play here.
Baalke signs a couple guys that nobody really wanted and we're supposed to "eat crow" ? Gimme a break

I don't care about anyone eating crow - but Nnamdi refused to play for many teams that offered more money - not just Niners. Cromartie stayed with Jets (a huge incentive when you don't have to move).

Patriots traded for Chad and Albert - no one wanted them but they traded for them. Just because no one wants them - doesn't mean a whole lot. SF Giants signed a bunch of players no wanted last year before the season, and during the season - but it worked.

Have you looked at the Stanford roster under Harbaugh - he recruited a bunch a player who no one wanted. It's about finding the right fit. How many championships Redskins have won under Snyder? Going after big name free-agents and paying big has hardly worked in NFL since the mid-90s.

Let's wait and see how these players fit in Harbaugh's plan.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by PickNo24toGB:
i'm surprised how so many people can't be a little happy that the niners made some moves and we're actually gonna get to watch some football in a couple months. eat crow or not... be happy.

dude, its all about not getting nnamdi, it was nnamdi or bust.

For the price of potentially getting nnamdi, we got Edwards, Goodwin, Akers, Rogers, Williams and Whitner.

Easy trade off, rather spend 16M on 6 players, 5 of which are very good quality, over 1 guy, one guy is never the savior.

i guess you're right...

no nnamdi = fail.

call me when the 2012-13 season starts.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by AKfanster:
Originally posted by 12b6demurrer:
Originally posted by AKfanster:
The Edwards signing doesn't mean anything. He can be good or he can be very average.
Remember how D-Jax worked out?

Braylon Edwards is way better than D Jax and D Jax was on the tail end of his career.


Edwards is a classic underachiever that gets into too much trouble. That wasn't the point.
The point is, fans tend to hype up a player in the off-season when they really don't have much reason too.

This free agency period has been horrible for this team. Every big name free agent that the Niners went after simply refused to play for this team. EVEN WHEN THE NINERS OFFERED MORE MONEY THAN OTHER TEAMS, guys still didn't want to play here.
Baalke signs a couple guys that nobody really wanted and we're supposed to "eat crow" ? Gimme a break

I don't care about anyone eating crow - but Nnamdi refused to play for many teams that offered more money - not just Niners. Cromartie stayed with Jets (a huge incentive when you don't have to move).

Patriots traded for Chad and Albert - no one wanted them but they traded for them. Just because no one wants them - doesn't mean a whole lot. SF Giants signed a bunch of players no wanted last year before the season, and during the season - but it worked.

Have you looked at the Stanford roster under Harbaugh - he recruited a bunch a player who no one wanted. It's about finding the right fit. How many championships Redskins have won under Snyder? Going after big name free-agents and paying big has hardly worked in NFL since the mid-90s.

Let's wait and see how these players fit in Harbaugh's plan.

I love this, preach on buddy.
Wait until all the teams who are over the cap have to start cutting guys......then people get really get down on that dere crow.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by WillisToHOF:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
49ers committed $16 mil in 2011 to Akers, Rogers, Goodwin, Whitner, Edwards, Williams. Raiders committed $16 mil in 2011 to Michael Huff.

Huff came from USC.. the Raiders have to pay him big so he wont go back

I'm confused...Huff played at Texas...

touche, so he did .. not like that college is much better. they just get away with it
my bad on not knowing too much bout raiders

Originally posted by WillisToHOF:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
49ers committed $16 mil in 2011 to Akers, Rogers, Goodwin, Whitner, Edwards, Williams. Raiders committed $16 mil in 2011 to Michael Huff.

Huff came from USC.. the Raiders have to pay him big so he wont go back

Huff came from Texas
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WillisToHOF:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
49ers committed $16 mil in 2011 to Akers, Rogers, Goodwin, Whitner, Edwards, Williams. Raiders committed $16 mil in 2011 to Michael Huff.

Huff came from USC.. the Raiders have to pay him big so he wont go back

Huff came from Texas

lulz
Originally posted by Antix:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by Antix:
Originally posted by YungAce:
Originally posted by Antix:
I think we should wait till they play some games together. All that happened is we got some holes filled. Its still all on the coaching staff.

with good players

They have to play good though.

Have to get them before you can give them a chance to play good.

My point is that its a bit presumptuous to say its the best free agency class since whenever when they haven't played a game yet. If they all get injured and don play a snap its not a very good free agent class is it?

Can't argue there.
We ended up making some nice signings this FA Period. It looks like we're better as a team than we were last year. I don't have a problem with anyone we let walk, so no complaints here. Maybe we're not done, maybe they make a couple more moves; maybe a trade. All I know is that im ready to see some 9er football, some TD's and somebody getting their cap twisted.
Last night I threw a temper tandrum about how we were not getting any good free agents to help the team get better. But the last 24 hours showed the 49ers have a plan and that plan is now starting to take shape, and I like what I see! first they sign the best center in free agency in goodwin from the saints and then they get some young secondary help in rogers and williams and then they bring in donte whitner and braylon edwards! Are you kidding me I am juiced! Let's go! Let's go!!
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