What was a bigger problem last year?

I voted coaching. Tomsula lit it up.

Originally posted by DertyDonahue:
I voted coaching. Tomsula lit it up.

best winning percentage in NFL history!

Sing will never have another HC job ever again.

Coaching.....really a no brainer

The only time Alex has ever looked like at least a serviceable back up QB in the NFL is when Norv Turner was coaching him up.....

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
The projected stats for Alex under both Raye and Mike J.

264 of 446 (59%) for 3276 yards, 24 TDs, 10 INTs, 90.6 QBR. (M.J.)

327 of 541 (60.4%) for 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.5 QBR. (Raye)

Imagine what he could do with a legit OC at this point. If Harbaugh and Roman are the real deal... two rookies and then starting LT out with injury... if our OL is even marginally better... expect a 90+ QBR... and that should be plenty enough to get us a winning record. (assuming the D doesn't regress horribly)

How many games was gore out for at the end of last season? Would that have any effect on our QB's Qb rating?

5 games altogether and most of the sixth game... and heck yeah, losing your starting RB can certainly affect QB performance.

Guess Troy and Shaun Hill would have had superior numbers if Gore wasn't injured either.

Haha, yeah... as if the reasons for why Alex will be making 5+ mil this year compared to Hill (HALF of that) and an unemployed Troy is just.... so.... confusing.

Help me out with that.... NFL teams are just so naive, is that right????

No. If you make the excuse for Alex, you should make the excuse for all the other QB's. Every excuse you can make for Alex failing, you can make for all other Qb's failing. So if you're going to say that the absence of Frank contributed to Alex's less than stellar numbers, you must say the same for Troy and Hill

How did Troy come in off the street and put up better numbers against Denver and St. Louis than Alex ever has? That just doesn't make sense.

PS: The only reason why Alex is getting more of a chance than Troy and Hill has more to do with where he was picked and his age than anything else. Troy was a late round pick and is undersized. Hill is old and is a journeyman.

Alex plays safe for the most part, half the major plays in the denver and st louis game were crazy throws from troy that would have been picked off against a real defense.

Ex: that deep bomb troy threw, falling backwards, off his back foot, into tripple coverage, that D. Walk snagged somehow.

LOL @ this reasoning. So I'm assuming Alex has never played against a poor defense? BTW, Rams were pretty decent defensively, go look up their stats, cool guy.

Originally posted by EddieVanHalen:
Coaching.....really a no brainer

The only time Alex has ever looked like at least a serviceable back up QB in the NFL is when Norv Turner was coaching him up.....

he also looked pretty good with mike johnson last year (his qb coach for past couple of years)

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by TheGoldenState:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
The projected stats for Alex under both Raye and Mike J.

264 of 446 (59%) for 3276 yards, 24 TDs, 10 INTs, 90.6 QBR. (M.J.)

327 of 541 (60.4%) for 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.5 QBR. (Raye)

Imagine what he could do with a legit OC at this point. If Harbaugh and Roman are the real deal... two rookies and then starting LT out with injury... if our OL is even marginally better... expect a 90+ QBR... and that should be plenty enough to get us a winning record. (assuming the D doesn't regress horribly)

How many games was gore out for at the end of last season? Would that have any effect on our QB's Qb rating?

5 games altogether and most of the sixth game... and heck yeah, losing your starting RB can certainly affect QB performance.

Guess Troy and Shaun Hill would have had superior numbers if Gore wasn't injured either.

Haha, yeah... as if the reasons for why Alex will be making 5+ mil this year compared to Hill (HALF of that) and an unemployed Troy is just.... so.... confusing.

Help me out with that.... NFL teams are just so naive, is that right????

No. If you make the excuse for Alex, you should make the excuse for all the other QB's. Every excuse you can make for Alex failing, you can make for all other Qb's failing. So if you're going to say that the absence of Frank contributed to Alex's less than stellar numbers, you must say the same for Troy and Hill

How did Troy come in off the street and put up better numbers against Denver and St. Louis than Alex ever has? That just doesn't make sense.

PS: The only reason why Alex is getting more of a chance than Troy and Hill has more to do with where he was picked and his age than anything else. Troy was a late round pick and is undersized. Hill is old and is a journeyman.

Alex had to come in for Troy in his 2nd rams game

Troy was FLUKE! He had one good game.

Anyways, the biggest problem last year was Singletary being our head coach

One good game that was our 1st win

Alex came into the Rams game and turned the ball over.

How is a QB rating over 100 in his first 2 games with 0 TC and 1st team reps a fluke? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It baffles me how coaching was an issue for Alex but not for Troy or Carr.

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
The projected stats for Alex under both Raye and Mike J.

264 of 446 (59%) for 3276 yards, 24 TDs, 10 INTs, 90.6 QBR. (M.J.)

327 of 541 (60.4%) for 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.5 QBR. (Raye)

Imagine what he could do with a legit OC at this point. If Harbaugh and Roman are the real deal... two rookies and then starting LT out with injury... if our OL is even marginally better... expect a 90+ QBR... and that should be plenty enough to get us a winning record. (assuming the D doesn't regress horribly)

How many games was gore out for at the end of last season? Would that have any effect on our QB's Qb rating?

5 games altogether and most of the sixth game... and heck yeah, losing your starting RB can certainly affect QB performance.

Guess Troy and Shaun Hill would have had superior numbers if Gore wasn't injured either.

Haha, yeah... as if the reasons for why Alex will be making 5+ mil this year compared to Hill (HALF of that) and an unemployed Troy is just.... so.... confusing.

Help me out with that.... NFL teams are just so naive, is that right????

No. If you make the excuse for Alex, you should make the excuse for all the other QB's. Every excuse you can make for Alex failing, you can make for all other Qb's failing. So if you're going to say that the absence of Frank contributed to Alex's less than stellar numbers, you must say the same for Troy and Hill

How did Troy come in off the street and put up better numbers against Denver and St. Louis than Alex ever has? That just doesn't make sense.

PS: The only reason why Alex is getting more of a chance than Troy and Hill has more to do with where he was picked and his age than anything else. Troy was a late round pick and is undersized. Hill is old and is a journeyman.

Alex plays safe for the most part, half the major plays in the denver and st louis game were crazy throws from troy that would have been picked off against a real defense.

Ex: that deep bomb troy threw, falling backwards, off his back foot, into tripple coverage, that D. Walk snagged somehow.

LOL @ this reasoning. So I'm assuming Alex has never played against a poor defense? BTW, Rams were pretty decent defensively, go look up their stats, cool guy.

My comment was mostly stating how bad Troy smith sucked, it wasn't really a pro alex Comment. I was simply stating the "reason" troy smith put up big numbers was because of lucky ass backyard bull$hit.

Which as you saw the next few games he played in, he couldnt complete his passes, his one trick act was on film, and he was no longer effective in any form.. so i'm glad his ass is on the street.

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by TheGoldenState:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
The projected stats for Alex under both Raye and Mike J.

264 of 446 (59%) for 3276 yards, 24 TDs, 10 INTs, 90.6 QBR. (M.J.)

327 of 541 (60.4%) for 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.5 QBR. (Raye)

Imagine what he could do with a legit OC at this point. If Harbaugh and Roman are the real deal... two rookies and then starting LT out with injury... if our OL is even marginally better... expect a 90+ QBR... and that should be plenty enough to get us a winning record. (assuming the D doesn't regress horribly)

How many games was gore out for at the end of last season? Would that have any effect on our QB's Qb rating?

5 games altogether and most of the sixth game... and heck yeah, losing your starting RB can certainly affect QB performance.

Guess Troy and Shaun Hill would have had superior numbers if Gore wasn't injured either.

Haha, yeah... as if the reasons for why Alex will be making 5+ mil this year compared to Hill (HALF of that) and an unemployed Troy is just.... so.... confusing.

Help me out with that.... NFL teams are just so naive, is that right????

No. If you make the excuse for Alex, you should make the excuse for all the other QB's. Every excuse you can make for Alex failing, you can make for all other Qb's failing. So if you're going to say that the absence of Frank contributed to Alex's less than stellar numbers, you must say the same for Troy and Hill

How did Troy come in off the street and put up better numbers against Denver and St. Louis than Alex ever has? That just doesn't make sense.

PS: The only reason why Alex is getting more of a chance than Troy and Hill has more to do with where he was picked and his age than anything else. Troy was a late round pick and is undersized. Hill is old and is a journeyman.

Alex had to come in for Troy in his 2nd rams game

Troy was FLUKE! He had one good game.

Anyways, the biggest problem last year was Singletary being our head coach

One good game that was our 1st win

Alex came into the Rams game and turned the ball over.

How is a QB rating over 100 in his first 2 games with 0 TC and 1st team reps a fluke? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It baffles me how coaching was an issue for Alex but not for Troy or Carr.

Because his combined QB ratings the 4 games after was 58


If you don't think that Troy Smith was a fluke there's gotta be something wrong with you.

[ Edited by TheGoldenState on Jun 11, 2011 at 18:37:56 ]

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[ Edited by TheGoldenState on Jun 11, 2011 at 18:38:21 ]

Originally posted by TheGoldenState:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by TheGoldenState:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
The projected stats for Alex under both Raye and Mike J.

264 of 446 (59%) for 3276 yards, 24 TDs, 10 INTs, 90.6 QBR. (M.J.)

327 of 541 (60.4%) for 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.5 QBR. (Raye)

Imagine what he could do with a legit OC at this point. If Harbaugh and Roman are the real deal... two rookies and then starting LT out with injury... if our OL is even marginally better... expect a 90+ QBR... and that should be plenty enough to get us a winning record. (assuming the D doesn't regress horribly)

How many games was gore out for at the end of last season? Would that have any effect on our QB's Qb rating?

5 games altogether and most of the sixth game... and heck yeah, losing your starting RB can certainly affect QB performance.

Guess Troy and Shaun Hill would have had superior numbers if Gore wasn't injured either.

Haha, yeah... as if the reasons for why Alex will be making 5+ mil this year compared to Hill (HALF of that) and an unemployed Troy is just.... so.... confusing.

Help me out with that.... NFL teams are just so naive, is that right????

No. If you make the excuse for Alex, you should make the excuse for all the other QB's. Every excuse you can make for Alex failing, you can make for all other Qb's failing. So if you're going to say that the absence of Frank contributed to Alex's less than stellar numbers, you must say the same for Troy and Hill

How did Troy come in off the street and put up better numbers against Denver and St. Louis than Alex ever has? That just doesn't make sense.

PS: The only reason why Alex is getting more of a chance than Troy and Hill has more to do with where he was picked and his age than anything else. Troy was a late round pick and is undersized. Hill is old and is a journeyman.

Alex had to come in for Troy in his 2nd rams game

Troy was FLUKE! He had one good game.

Anyways, the biggest problem last year was Singletary being our head coach

One good game that was our 1st win

Alex came into the Rams game and turned the ball over.

How is a QB rating over 100 in his first 2 games with 0 TC and 1st team reps a fluke? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It baffles me how coaching was an issue for Alex but not for Troy or Carr.

Because his combined QB ratings the 4 games after was 58


If you don't think that Troy Smith was a fluke there's gotta be something wrong with you.

This, his vision and pocket awareness, hit new lows for 49er QBing.

Originally posted by TheGoldenState:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by TheGoldenState:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
The projected stats for Alex under both Raye and Mike J.

264 of 446 (59%) for 3276 yards, 24 TDs, 10 INTs, 90.6 QBR. (M.J.)

327 of 541 (60.4%) for 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.5 QBR. (Raye)

Imagine what he could do with a legit OC at this point. If Harbaugh and Roman are the real deal... two rookies and then starting LT out with injury... if our OL is even marginally better... expect a 90+ QBR... and that should be plenty enough to get us a winning record. (assuming the D doesn't regress horribly)

How many games was gore out for at the end of last season? Would that have any effect on our QB's Qb rating?

5 games altogether and most of the sixth game... and heck yeah, losing your starting RB can certainly affect QB performance.

Guess Troy and Shaun Hill would have had superior numbers if Gore wasn't injured either.

Haha, yeah... as if the reasons for why Alex will be making 5+ mil this year compared to Hill (HALF of that) and an unemployed Troy is just.... so.... confusing.

Help me out with that.... NFL teams are just so naive, is that right????

No. If you make the excuse for Alex, you should make the excuse for all the other QB's. Every excuse you can make for Alex failing, you can make for all other Qb's failing. So if you're going to say that the absence of Frank contributed to Alex's less than stellar numbers, you must say the same for Troy and Hill

How did Troy come in off the street and put up better numbers against Denver and St. Louis than Alex ever has? That just doesn't make sense.

PS: The only reason why Alex is getting more of a chance than Troy and Hill has more to do with where he was picked and his age than anything else. Troy was a late round pick and is undersized. Hill is old and is a journeyman.

Alex had to come in for Troy in his 2nd rams game

Troy was FLUKE! He had one good game.

Anyways, the biggest problem last year was Singletary being our head coach

One good game that was our 1st win

Alex came into the Rams game and turned the ball over.

How is a QB rating over 100 in his first 2 games with 0 TC and 1st team reps a fluke? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It baffles me how coaching was an issue for Alex but not for Troy or Carr.

Because his combined QB ratings the 4 games after was 58


If you don't think that Troy Smith was a fluke there's gotta be something wrong with you.

This is such a dumb statement I don't even know how to respond. There's a difference between being inconsistent or even bad....and being a fluke.

Got damn, was Alex a fluke in his last game against the Cards posting a 100+ QB rating when he has a career QB rating in the 70s?

Yes, bad QB's can have good games and no...throwing for 300+ yards is not a fluke. It's called having a good game nothing more nothing less. You can cry about throwing that desperation pass to Delanie....why don't people discredit Favre for his ill advised desperation passes? Because, if they're completed that's all that matters. There's no column for "ill advised passes".

It's almost infuriating to me how a QB who came to the team in week 1 is being discredited for having bad games....yet in the same frigging breath people are making excuses for a QB who has played 6 years of mediocre football. I'm told that a simple "workout" is so important for a Qb and receiver to gain chemistry...yet Troy was expected to create chemistry on the fly while learning a playbook without a "workout" or TC or preseason.

It's not that I think Troy is good...it's that Alex fans are walking contradictions...

If Troy's good games are flukes then so are Alex's.

[ Edited by JayBee on Jun 11, 2011 at 21:23:11 ]

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by TheGoldenState:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by TheGoldenState:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
The projected stats for Alex under both Raye and Mike J.

264 of 446 (59%) for 3276 yards, 24 TDs, 10 INTs, 90.6 QBR. (M.J.)

327 of 541 (60.4%) for 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.5 QBR. (Raye)

Imagine what he could do with a legit OC at this point. If Harbaugh and Roman are the real deal... two rookies and then starting LT out with injury... if our OL is even marginally better... expect a 90+ QBR... and that should be plenty enough to get us a winning record. (assuming the D doesn't regress horribly)

How many games was gore out for at the end of last season? Would that have any effect on our QB's Qb rating?

5 games altogether and most of the sixth game... and heck yeah, losing your starting RB can certainly affect QB performance.

Guess Troy and Shaun Hill would have had superior numbers if Gore wasn't injured either.

Haha, yeah... as if the reasons for why Alex will be making 5+ mil this year compared to Hill (HALF of that) and an unemployed Troy is just.... so.... confusing.

Help me out with that.... NFL teams are just so naive, is that right????

No. If you make the excuse for Alex, you should make the excuse for all the other QB's. Every excuse you can make for Alex failing, you can make for all other Qb's failing. So if you're going to say that the absence of Frank contributed to Alex's less than stellar numbers, you must say the same for Troy and Hill

How did Troy come in off the street and put up better numbers against Denver and St. Louis than Alex ever has? That just doesn't make sense.

PS: The only reason why Alex is getting more of a chance than Troy and Hill has more to do with where he was picked and his age than anything else. Troy was a late round pick and is undersized. Hill is old and is a journeyman.

Alex had to come in for Troy in his 2nd rams game

Troy was FLUKE! He had one good game.

Anyways, the biggest problem last year was Singletary being our head coach

One good game that was our 1st win

Alex came into the Rams game and turned the ball over.

How is a QB rating over 100 in his first 2 games with 0 TC and 1st team reps a fluke? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It baffles me how coaching was an issue for Alex but not for Troy or Carr.

Because his combined QB ratings the 4 games after was 58


If you don't think that Troy Smith was a fluke there's gotta be something wrong with you.

This is such a dumb statement I don't even know how to respond. There's a difference between being inconsistent or even bad....and being a fluke.

Got damn, was Alex a fluke in his last game against the Cards posting a 100+ QB rating when he has a career QB rating in the 70s?

Yes, bad QB's can have good games and no...throwing for 300+ yards is not a fluke. It's called having a good game nothing more nothing less. You can cry about throwing that desperation pass to Delanie....why don't people discredit Favre for his ill advised desperation passes? Because, if they're completed that's all that matters. There's no column for "ill advised passes".

It's almost infuriating to me how a QB who came to the team in week 1 is being discredited for having bad games....yet in the same frigging breath people are making excuses for a QB who has played 6 years of mediocre football. I'm told that a simple "workout" is so important for a Qb and receiver to gain chemistry...yet Troy was expected to create chemistry on the fly while learning a playbook without a "workout" or TC or preseason.

It's not that I think Troy is good...it's that Alex fans are walking contradictions...

If Troy's good games are flukes then so are Alex's.

You're right Jaybee the double-standards are clearly obvious. Hang in there!

Originally posted by skynet907:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
The projected stats for Alex under both Raye and Mike J.

264 of 446 (59%) for 3276 yards, 24 TDs, 10 INTs, 90.6 QBR. (M.J.)

327 of 541 (60.4%) for 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.5 QBR. (Raye)

Imagine what he could do with a legit OC at this point. If Harbaugh and Roman are the real deal... two rookies and then starting LT out with injury... if our OL is even marginally better... expect a 90+ QBR... and that should be plenty enough to get us a winning record. (assuming the D doesn't regress horribly)

How many games was gore out for at the end of last season? Would that have any effect on our QB's Qb rating?

5 games altogether and most of the sixth game... and heck yeah, losing your starting RB can certainly affect QB performance.

Guess Troy and Shaun Hill would have had superior numbers if Gore wasn't injured either.

Haha, yeah... as if the reasons for why Alex will be making 5+ mil this year compared to Hill (HALF of that) and an unemployed Troy is just.... so.... confusing.

Help me out with that.... NFL teams are just so naive, is that right????

The fact that we can only compare Alex to journeyman QBs is the real joke. He's a first overall pick and playing like one are my expectations for him this season... no less no excuses!

It isn't his fault he was drafted where he was, he hasn't and never will play on that level and will likely be an average QB at most. Please lower your expectations and try to make the best of what you see as a s**tty situation, instead of giving yourself fuel to incessantly complain about.

Are you serious lower my expectations? My expectations for Alex are the same as any of the other 1st round picks on the team. Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Manny Lawson, Etc.

As far as Alex being just an average Qb is not good enough in my book but apparently it's good enough for you and Harbaugh. For me to spend my hard earn money to be at the games Alex's play better come close to first overall pick since the team will be giving him another year. I don't care what he does in June talk to me in December.

Oh yeah just to keep things on topic coaching was the the biggest problem but not the only problem.

[ Edited by JustaFan45 on Jun 11, 2011 at 22:04:32 ]

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by skynet907:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
The projected stats for Alex under both Raye and Mike J.

264 of 446 (59%) for 3276 yards, 24 TDs, 10 INTs, 90.6 QBR. (M.J.)

327 of 541 (60.4%) for 3418 yards, 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.5 QBR. (Raye)

Imagine what he could do with a legit OC at this point. If Harbaugh and Roman are the real deal... two rookies and then starting LT out with injury... if our OL is even marginally better... expect a 90+ QBR... and that should be plenty enough to get us a winning record. (assuming the D doesn't regress horribly)

How many games was gore out for at the end of last season? Would that have any effect on our QB's Qb rating?

5 games altogether and most of the sixth game... and heck yeah, losing your starting RB can certainly affect QB performance.

Guess Troy and Shaun Hill would have had superior numbers if Gore wasn't injured either.

Haha, yeah... as if the reasons for why Alex will be making 5+ mil this year compared to Hill (HALF of that) and an unemployed Troy is just.... so.... confusing.

Help me out with that.... NFL teams are just so naive, is that right????

The fact that we can only compare Alex to journeyman QBs is the real joke. He's a first overall pick and playing like one are my expectations for him this season... no less no excuses!

It isn't his fault he was drafted where he was, he hasn't and never will play on that level and will likely be an average QB at most. Please lower your expectations and try to make the best of what you see as a s**tty situation, instead of giving yourself fuel to incessantly complain about.

Are you serious lower my expectations? My expectations for Alex are the same as any of the other 1st round picks on the team. Vernon Davis, Joe Staley, Manny Lawson, Etc.

As far as Alex being just an average Qb is not good enough in my book but apparently it's good enough for you and Harbaugh. For me to spend my hard earn money to be at the games Alex's play better come close to first overall pick since the team will be giving him another year. I don't care what he does in June talk to me in December.

Oh yeah just to keep things on topic coaching was the the biggest problem but not the only problem.

Aex has been average yes
is it disapointing for a #1 pick also yes

however we have to keep in mind that alex has been average with singetary as HC singeltary is a great motivator but he has no idea how to put together a gameplan and he is also in able to make in game adjustments


so to be honest the fact that a qb can perform average whie having an HC that cant put together a gameplan itself is pretty good

i mean how many teams have made the playoffs or done well in the nfl that has had an HC that cant put together a gameplan