Tim Kawakami's interview with 49ers HC Jim Harbaugh

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

He's better than those guys. He's still here. They are gone. And Harbaugh wants him back for more... Plus he took a pay cut too. So your financial investment argument doesn't hold water. Further his contract is now done. So why does Harbaugh want him back? The "financial investment" is done. But he wants him back for more.

I find it funny how you are the most negative person on this board and always find something to complain about regarding this team, but you still this loser Alex Smith. And btw, Alex was better than JTO, but not Hill.

I've seriously spent time pondering this....of course, being that he is from SD maybe there is a family tie or friendship connection....

P.S.. maybe that explains his bitterness towards the over all team.

Crap, posting this made me miss the O'Reilly Factor monologe.

I also thought about the SD connection. But it's definitely fishy b/c for a guy who complains about the smallest of things, to support a loser like Alex Smith, is.....odd, to the say the least.

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

We can only guess that the "investment" was the reason. Besides, Smith agreed to cut his salary and he still started.

Yeah, after losing the comp to Hill.

In reality, and this has been verified by Matt today, Smith really didn't lose that competition. Hill was going in to the season as the no.1 and Smith had to un-seat him in order to take it. Hill and Smith both played about the same in pre-season and then Smith got hurt in the third pre-season game (I believe.. maybe it was the second). At that point it was over. There was no reason to continue the competition, as Smith wouldn't be back until the season started.

This is typical. You guys look at a situation in such black and white terms that it doesn't matter to you what vital facts led to certain events. It makes you sound really ignorant.

The fact of the matter is that Hill wasn't getting it done, and was beaten out by Smith who came in and played much better during the latter portion of that season. Hill was severely limited, and once teams keyed in on that he was extremely ineffective.

You guys can spin all this any way you want, but you are blinded by frustration about the team that you are placing on A. Smith.

The reality is that Harbaugh thinks Smith can be a good QB. He is echoing the well-reasoned statements of many posters here. He knows much more than you guys, and instead of just accepting that fact and adjusting your opinion your pride will not allow you to see the obvious truth in his words. You make up all kinds of ulterior motives that he might have when the obvious truth is right in front of you.

I said it, and none of the haters wanted to hear it...

Maiocco says it and they don't wanna read it.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/02/21/11/How-Smith-has-fared-in-49ers-QB-competit/landing_niners.html?full_args=02/21/11/How-Smith-has-fared-in-49ers-QB-competit/landing_niners&blockID=414844&feedID=5936


Not saying Alex is the solution, but you don't need to recreate history because you don't like the guy. There's a word for that....fiction.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
I said it, and none of the haters wanted to hear it...

Maiocco says it and they don't wanna read it.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/02/21/11/How-Smith-has-fared-in-49ers-QB-competit/landing_niners.html?full_args=02/21/11/How-Smith-has-fared-in-49ers-QB-competit/landing_niners&blockID=414844&feedID=5936


Not saying Alex is the solution, but you don't need to recreate history because you don't like the guy. There's a word for that....fiction.

What are you trying to prove with this article? All it shows me is that Alex lost 3 competitions to journeymen QBs...

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

We can only guess that the "investment" was the reason. Besides, Smith agreed to cut his salary and he still started.

Yeah, after losing the comp to Hill.

In reality, and this has been verified by Matt today, Smith really didn't lose that competition. Hill was going in to the season as the no.1 and Smith had to un-seat him in order to take it. Hill and Smith both played about the same in pre-season and then Smith got hurt in the third pre-season game (I believe.. maybe it was the second). At that point it was over. There was no reason to continue the competition, as Smith wouldn't be back until the season started.

This is typical. You guys look at a situation in such black and white terms that it doesn't matter to you what vital facts led to certain events. It makes you sound really ignorant.

The fact of the matter is that Hill wasn't getting it done, and was beaten out by Smith who came in and played much better during the latter portion of that season. Hill was severely limited, and once teams keyed in on that he was extremely ineffective.

You guys can spin all this any way you want, but you are blinded by frustration about the team that you are placing on A. Smith.

The reality is that Harbaugh thinks Smith can be a good QB. He is echoing the well-reasoned statements of many posters here. He knows much more than you guys, and instead of just accepting that fact and adjusting your opinion your pride will not allow you to see the obvious truth in his words. You make up all kinds of ulterior motives that he might have when the obvious truth is right in front of you.

Hill was not limited. He had only 1 bad half of football in 2009 against the Texans. He was 10-6 as a starter and very accurate and had great instincts.

People want to make excuses for Smith, but refuse to make the same ones for guys like Troy Smith or Shaun Hill. And I'll say it right now: Troy Smith is not a good QB and isn't starter material, but Shaun Hill definitely is IMO.

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

He's better than those guys. He's still here. They are gone. And Harbaugh wants him back for more... Plus he took a pay cut too. So your financial investment argument doesn't hold water. Further his contract is now done. So why does Harbaugh want him back? The "financial investment" is done. But he wants him back for more.

I find it funny how you are the most negative person on this board and always find something to complain about regarding this team, but you still this loser Alex Smith. And btw, Alex was better than JTO, but not Hill.

I've seriously spent time pondering this....of course, being that he is from SD maybe there is a family tie or friendship connection....

P.S.. maybe that explains his bitterness towards the over all team.

Crap, posting this made me miss the O'Reilly Factor monologe.

I also thought about the SD connection. But it's definitely fishy b/c for a guy who complains about the smallest of things, to support a loser like Alex Smith, is.....odd, to the say the least.

If he's the best option for next year it makes sense. Do you want Carr?

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

He's better than those guys. He's still here. They are gone. And Harbaugh wants him back for more... Plus he took a pay cut too. So your financial investment argument doesn't hold water. Further his contract is now done. So why does Harbaugh want him back? The "financial investment" is done. But he wants him back for more.

I find it funny how you are the most negative person on this board and always find something to complain about regarding this team, but you still this loser Alex Smith. And btw, Alex was better than JTO, but not Hill.

I've seriously spent time pondering this....of course, being that he is from SD maybe there is a family tie or friendship connection....

P.S.. maybe that explains his bitterness towards the over all team.

Crap, posting this made me miss the O'Reilly Factor monologe.

I also thought about the SD connection. But it's definitely fishy b/c for a guy who complains about the smallest of things, to support a loser like Alex Smith, is.....odd, to the say the least.

If he's the best option for next year it makes sense. Do you want Carr?

Of course not. If there is no CBA, then obviously I'd rather have Smith. But that doesn't mean he is the best option out there if a FA is available. Smith is the best option when there are no other options, which is pretty pathetic, IMO.

And anyway, you seem to really defend Smith quite a lot, which I find funny and odd b/c of your no nonsense and negative mindset when it comes to the 49ers.

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

He's better than those guys. He's still here. They are gone. And Harbaugh wants him back for more... Plus he took a pay cut too. So your financial investment argument doesn't hold water. Further his contract is now done. So why does Harbaugh want him back? The "financial investment" is done. But he wants him back for more.

I find it funny how you are the most negative person on this board and always find something to complain about regarding this team, but you still this loser Alex Smith. And btw, Alex was better than JTO, but not Hill.

I've seriously spent time pondering this....of course, being that he is from SD maybe there is a family tie or friendship connection....

P.S.. maybe that explains his bitterness towards the over all team.

Crap, posting this made me miss the O'Reilly Factor monologe.

I also thought about the SD connection. But it's definitely fishy b/c for a guy who complains about the smallest of things, to support a loser like Alex Smith, is.....odd, to the say the least.

If he's the best option for next year it makes sense. Do you want Carr?

Of course not. If there is no CBA, then obviously I'd rather have Smith. But that doesn't mean he is the best option out there if a FA is available. Smith is the best option when there are no other options, which is pretty pathetic, IMO.

And anyway, you seem to really defend Smith quite a lot, which I find funny and odd b/c of your no nonsense and negative mindset when it comes to the 49ers.

When you stop talking about the topic and talk about each other, you lose the right.

Jr. Mod

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

We can only guess that the "investment" was the reason. Besides, Smith agreed to cut his salary and he still started.

Yeah, after losing the comp to Hill.

In reality, and this has been verified by Matt today, Smith really didn't lose that competition. Hill was going in to the season as the no.1 and Smith had to un-seat him in order to take it. Hill and Smith both played about the same in pre-season and then Smith got hurt in the third pre-season game (I believe.. maybe it was the second). At that point it was over. There was no reason to continue the competition, as Smith wouldn't be back until the season started.

This is typical. You guys look at a situation in such black and white terms that it doesn't matter to you what vital facts led to certain events. It makes you sound really ignorant.

The fact of the matter is that Hill wasn't getting it done, and was beaten out by Smith who came in and played much better during the latter portion of that season. Hill was severely limited, and once teams keyed in on that he was extremely ineffective.

You guys can spin all this any way you want, but you are blinded by frustration about the team that you are placing on A. Smith.

The reality is that Harbaugh thinks Smith can be a good QB. He is echoing the well-reasoned statements of many posters here. He knows much more than you guys, and instead of just accepting that fact and adjusting your opinion your pride will not allow you to see the obvious truth in his words. You make up all kinds of ulterior motives that he might have when the obvious truth is right in front of you.

Hill was not limited. He had only 1 bad half of football in 2009 against the Texans. He was 10-6 as a starter and very accurate and had great instincts.

People want to make excuses for Smith, but refuse to make the same ones for guys like Troy Smith or Shaun Hill. And I'll say it right now: Troy Smith is not a good QB and isn't starter material, but Shaun Hill definitely is IMO.

That isn't true. It was very obvious that Hill wasn't doing much at all. I'm not laying it all on him, as the play calling was ultra conservative. But seriously he was being carried by the defense for the most part.

I remember Hill missing passes all the time. People yell at Smith for being captain checkdown, but Hill was even more like that. He did have pretty good instincts though and he was a gamer. Go back and look at the stats he was only completing 56% of his passes so I don't think you can laud his accuracy given your comments about Smith. He also had a QB rating in the high 70's.

During that time it was obvious to everyone that teams were just stacking the box and begging Hill to throw it deep. He couldn't do that so the drives stalled all over the place. He was averaging 150 yards per game! I mean, come on man.

This is what I am talking about. You want a QB who has been consistently worse over the last few years and it is not logical at all...

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

We can only guess that the "investment" was the reason. Besides, Smith agreed to cut his salary and he still started.

Yeah, after losing the comp to Hill.

In reality, and this has been verified by Matt today, Smith really didn't lose that competition. Hill was going in to the season as the no.1 and Smith had to un-seat him in order to take it. Hill and Smith both played about the same in pre-season and then Smith got hurt in the third pre-season game (I believe.. maybe it was the second). At that point it was over. There was no reason to continue the competition, as Smith wouldn't be back until the season started.

This is typical. You guys look at a situation in such black and white terms that it doesn't matter to you what vital facts led to certain events. It makes you sound really ignorant.

The fact of the matter is that Hill wasn't getting it done, and was beaten out by Smith who came in and played much better during the latter portion of that season. Hill was severely limited, and once teams keyed in on that he was extremely ineffective.

You guys can spin all this any way you want, but you are blinded by frustration about the team that you are placing on A. Smith.

The reality is that Harbaugh thinks Smith can be a good QB. He is echoing the well-reasoned statements of many posters here. He knows much more than you guys, and instead of just accepting that fact and adjusting your opinion your pride will not allow you to see the obvious truth in his words. You make up all kinds of ulterior motives that he might have when the obvious truth is right in front of you.

Hill was not limited. He had only 1 bad half of football in 2009 against the Texans. He was 10-6 as a starter and very accurate and had great instincts.

People want to make excuses for Smith, but refuse to make the same ones for guys like Troy Smith or Shaun Hill. And I'll say it right now: Troy Smith is not a good QB and isn't starter material, but Shaun Hill definitely is IMO.

I do not want to start a Smith vs. Hill conversation, but Shaun Hill was awful against the Atlanta Falcons. ATL had Shaun figured out from the first snap.

The Texans game followed... more bad football. Just sayin. I take no sides in this debate, nor do I care to argue about who will QB the 49ers until we get to the first snap of WEEK 1 of the 2011 season.

I'm friggin spent regarding the QB debate. So not worth it.

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

We can only guess that the "investment" was the reason. Besides, Smith agreed to cut his salary and he still started.

Yeah, after losing the comp to Hill.

In reality, and this has been verified by Matt today, Smith really didn't lose that competition. Hill was going in to the season as the no.1 and Smith had to un-seat him in order to take it. Hill and Smith both played about the same in pre-season and then Smith got hurt in the third pre-season game (I believe.. maybe it was the second). At that point it was over. There was no reason to continue the competition, as Smith wouldn't be back until the season started.

This is typical. You guys look at a situation in such black and white terms that it doesn't matter to you what vital facts led to certain events. It makes you sound really ignorant.

The fact of the matter is that Hill wasn't getting it done, and was beaten out by Smith who came in and played much better during the latter portion of that season. Hill was severely limited, and once teams keyed in on that he was extremely ineffective.

You guys can spin all this any way you want, but you are blinded by frustration about the team that you are placing on A. Smith.

The reality is that Harbaugh thinks Smith can be a good QB. He is echoing the well-reasoned statements of many posters here. He knows much more than you guys, and instead of just accepting that fact and adjusting your opinion your pride will not allow you to see the obvious truth in his words. You make up all kinds of ulterior motives that he might have when the obvious truth is right in front of you.

Hill was not limited. He had only 1 bad half of football in 2009 against the Texans. He was 10-6 as a starter and very accurate and had great instincts.

People want to make excuses for Smith, but refuse to make the same ones for guys like Troy Smith or Shaun Hill. And I'll say it right now: Troy Smith is not a good QB and isn't starter material, but Shaun Hill definitely is IMO.

That isn't true. It was very obvious that Hill wasn't doing much at all. I'm not laying it all on him, as the play calling was ultra conservative. But seriously he was being carried by the defense for the most part.

I remember Hill missing passes all the time. People yell at Smith for being captain checkdown, but Hill was even more like that. He did have pretty good instincts though and he was a gamer. Go back and look at the stats he was only completing 56% of his passes so I don't think you can laud his accuracy given your comments about Smith. He also had a QB rating in the high 70's.

During that time it was obvious to everyone that teams were just stacking the box and begging Hill to throw it deep. He couldn't do that so the drives stalled all over the place. He was averaging 150 yards per game! I mean, come on man.

This is what I am talking about. You want a QB who has been consistently worse over the last few years and it is not logical at all...

This is not true. But we will agree to disagree.

hill>>>Smith

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

We can only guess that the "investment" was the reason. Besides, Smith agreed to cut his salary and he still started.

Yeah, after losing the comp to Hill.

In reality, and this has been verified by Matt today, Smith really didn't lose that competition. Hill was going in to the season as the no.1 and Smith had to un-seat him in order to take it. Hill and Smith both played about the same in pre-season and then Smith got hurt in the third pre-season game (I believe.. maybe it was the second). At that point it was over. There was no reason to continue the competition, as Smith wouldn't be back until the season started.

This is typical. You guys look at a situation in such black and white terms that it doesn't matter to you what vital facts led to certain events. It makes you sound really ignorant.

The fact of the matter is that Hill wasn't getting it done, and was beaten out by Smith who came in and played much better during the latter portion of that season. Hill was severely limited, and once teams keyed in on that he was extremely ineffective.

You guys can spin all this any way you want, but you are blinded by frustration about the team that you are placing on A. Smith.

The reality is that Harbaugh thinks Smith can be a good QB. He is echoing the well-reasoned statements of many posters here. He knows much more than you guys, and instead of just accepting that fact and adjusting your opinion your pride will not allow you to see the obvious truth in his words. You make up all kinds of ulterior motives that he might have when the obvious truth is right in front of you.

Hill was not limited. He had only 1 bad half of football in 2009 against the Texans. He was 10-6 as a starter and very accurate and had great instincts.

People want to make excuses for Smith, but refuse to make the same ones for guys like Troy Smith or Shaun Hill. And I'll say it right now: Troy Smith is not a good QB and isn't starter material, but Shaun Hill definitely is IMO.

That isn't true. It was very obvious that Hill wasn't doing much at all. I'm not laying it all on him, as the play calling was ultra conservative. But seriously he was being carried by the defense for the most part.

I remember Hill missing passes all the time. People yell at Smith for being captain checkdown, but Hill was even more like that. He did have pretty good instincts though and he was a gamer. Go back and look at the stats he was only completing 56% of his passes so I don't think you can laud his accuracy given your comments about Smith. He also had a QB rating in the high 70's.

During that time it was obvious to everyone that teams were just stacking the box and begging Hill to throw it deep. He couldn't do that so the drives stalled all over the place. He was averaging 150 yards per game! I mean, come on man.

This is what I am talking about. You want a QB who has been consistently worse over the last few years and it is not logical at all...

This is not true. But we will agree to disagree.

hill>>>Smith

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

He's better than those guys. He's still here. They are gone. And Harbaugh wants him back for more... Plus he took a pay cut too. So your financial investment argument doesn't hold water. Further his contract is now done. So why does Harbaugh want him back? The "financial investment" is done. But he wants him back for more.

That is some sound logic.

Lol, I don't get it. Smith has an abundant amount of excuses made for him, but when Hill has a bad game or two, it was always the 'defenses figured him out'

So defenses haven't figured Smith out? Pressure him and force him to roll out to the right and he will throw it away. Sounds like a plan to me.

This is so laughable. Smith has a bad game, and its either the team sucks, the cheerleaders weren't exposing as much cleavage, the fans, the playcalling, the boos, Sing, Raye, etc.

But didn't Hill have the same playcalling from Raye during the Falcons games? Or is that excuse only valid when Smith is in the game?

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
hmmm....

I dont Smith has ever won a QB competition....^

He's lost to Rattay, JTO and Shaun Hill.

Actually he beat all those guys out. He's the starter and they aren't around anymore.

Starter only because of the financial investment the team made him, not because of his own merit.

He's better than those guys. He's still here. They are gone. And Harbaugh wants him back for more... Plus he took a pay cut too. So your financial investment argument doesn't hold water. Further his contract is now done. So why does Harbaugh want him back? The "financial investment" is done. But he wants him back for more.

That is some sound logic.

I haz lulz