Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by Chief:
Him and Vic Fangio are both scrubs...
I love the Jim Harbaugh hire but his defensive staff is growing into a group of failures.
Before we've played one game.
Looking at the history and reading about both of these guys, yes before we have played a game. We let a defensive cord go that kept our team in the top half of the league with the worst offense ever on a 49ers roster. We hired Fangio who has ruined 3 defenses in the NFL, all of them being in the bottom 5 before getting fired all three times. Jim Leavitt is not as bad, his only real downside is he punched a player.. I can understand emotion getting the best of a two men and fist flying. I just used this chance to vent about Fangio, who will ruin our defense and have us in the bottom of the league 2 yeras from now.
I wanted to keep manusky as well, but I'm not going to call Fangio a failure before we played any games.
One good argument against Fangio's track record is the guy was DC for two expansion franchises. Those teams were building from scratch.
exactly, how can you expect top 5 defenses with expansion teams and crappy players
How does that argument work? He started out well and then took his defense into the ground all 3 times.
The argument about lack of player talent would only hold water if he never got out of the dungeon. Outside of Stanford, he has NEVER improved a defense.
-9fA
Complicated. Very complicated.
For example, in Carolina he had an old veteran defense that either moved on or retired.
Outside that example, I haven't looked closely at the statistics.
However, total yardage allowed is not the only factor or even the best factor in determining the performance of a defense.
For example, our defense performed terribly this season, except against the run. Bad pass defense, poor tackling, poor pass rush, poor turnovers, poor discipline in general. Yet, we were middle of the pack in total yards because of our run defense, which we emphasized in our scheme.
You really need to have watched the games and followed the team in order to get a complete picture. You also need to have a good understanding of defensive schemes... coverages, gap assignments,... etc.
That said, there's nothing wrong with being worried. Those statistics do look bad.
We won't know for sure until we get to watch a couple seasons.
If you want something to help you feel a little better, it looks to me like we've got an experienced defensive coaching staff. Every position coach has been a defensive coordinator or head coach. If Fangio or anyone else is doing something that is hurting the team, there will be many experienced minds to point it out to Jim Harbaugh. I get the impression that people respect Jim Harbaugh. So, the problems will get fixed.
Greg Manusky on the other hand, had five years experience as a linebackers coach before we hired him as defensive coordinator. That's it... no other coaching experience.
We'll see how things work out. I'm excited about our potential on defense. Vic Fangio runs Dom Caper's scheme, but he also spent the four years before Stanford as "special assistant to head coach" with the Ravens... while Rex Ryan was running the defense for two of them. I'm sure he's learned some new tricks.