Respect and Trust are earned not given blindly

Originally posted by Joecool:
This is my only concern. We are hiring a coach, as good as he may be, with zero NFL experience and pairing him with a GM, with practically zero experience as a GM.

It would have been nice to have a seasoned GM to guide a first year NFL coach to iron out the little things that most new coaches forget to take in when they get "advice".

However, if getting seasoned GM meant no Harbaugh, then I'm satisfied with Baalke.

If Harbaugh (rookie HC that he is or will be) really does take issue with having a seasoned GM over him, to me that sends up a red flag. Really, Jim? Power-hungry already?

I'm uncomfortable with this "Baalke had to be the choice or else we don't get Harbaugh" package deal.

Stop being such a whiner, the decisions have already been made....deal with it.

Originally posted by AJ_Larrea954:

oh no. we are going to suck forever.

Originally posted by Joecool:
This is my only concern. We are hiring a coach, as good as he may be, with zero NFL experience and pairing him with a GM, with practically zero experience as a GM.

It would have been nice to have a seasoned GM to guide a first year NFL coach to iron out the little things that most new coaches forget to take in when they get "advice".

However, if getting seasoned GM meant no Harbaugh, then I'm satisfied with Baalke.

I see your point, but I am preying that this no a rerun of Nolan, McCoughan offensive style.

It's a business. Operating within a professional sports environment. What do you expect?

It's not a religion. And much of the "information" on which you base your grievances and prejudices is actually third hand rumour and pure invention deseminated by media.

Jed has not slept with your wives (if I am wrong, please provide photographs), cast you out of Eden or sold your children into slavery.

This sport thing is a pastime. It is time for some of you to stop taking it so seriously. You are supposed to enjoy it.

People are enjoying the potential in the current situation. Why not let them? Nothing we say or do on the zone has any impact on the team. Perhaps those of you who are so completely negative about the team, the situation, the owners etc should ask themselves why they are doing it to themselves. And perhaps consider stopping trying to inflict it on everyone else.

Misery loves company.

Originally posted by longtime49erfan:

Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

All you York haters are ridiculous, because there is absolutely nothing you can do about the ownership of a team, except to stop supporting that team completely.

It is a waste of time and space for you to whine incessantly about the bad ownership.

It would show some intelligence, however, if despite the sad history of the York ownership, you acknowledge and dare I say it, even applaud the good steps taken by Jed York. Getting Harbaugh is a good step. If Baalke can accomplish it (and I think it is already a done deal), then hiring him was a good step.

If you want credibility when you criticize the team, then you have to also acknowledge the good things it does. Otherwise, you are nothing more than a spoiled whiny complainer.

These kinds of posts I do not understand at all. Here are the facts, the Yorks for as bad as they are, are public relations savvy, and do make changes when they feel there is a chance they are going to loose ticket sales.

But if I were to follow your logic, lets belly up for some more slop and go along with the program because our leader says that what we need. That is a huge load of BS!!

Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

Quote:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)

Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

Quote:
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)

Quote:
He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

Quote:
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks

Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

Quote:
Mike Nolan (Yorks)

Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

Quote:
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)

wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

Quote:
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)

This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

Quote:
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

Get that level-headed thinking the hell out of NT!

I, one of the unwashed optimists, bow to those who withhold their trust and demonstrate perpetual skepticism until shown clear evidence of competent progress. You are all better people than I am.

You're welcome . . .

GO NINERS !

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Respect and Trust are earned not given blindly

That's what my girlfriend used to tell me when she wouldn't let me jizz on her face at first.

Pics or your post becomes null and void.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

Quote:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)

Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

Quote:
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)

Quote:
He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

Quote:
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks

Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

Quote:
Mike Nolan (Yorks)

Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

Quote:
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)

wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

Quote:
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)

This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

Quote:
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

Disagree slightly on Martz, because when Nolan hired him he was told by Jed, that he disagreed with the hire.

Originally posted by mike49ersgo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

Quote:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)

Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

Quote:
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)

Quote:
He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

Quote:
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks

Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

Quote:
Mike Nolan (Yorks)

Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

Quote:
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)

wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

Quote:
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)

This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

Quote:
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

Disagree slightly on Martz, because when Nolan hired him he was told by Jed, that he disagreed with the hire.

Can't tell who's saying what, but is someone actually defending the Yorks decsions (too many to count) and trying to deflect blame, and saying bulls**t like "Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL."

Please stop.

Originally posted by nooj:

Originally posted by mike49ersgo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

Quote:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)

Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

Quote:
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)

Quote:
He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

Quote:
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks

Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

Quote:
Mike Nolan (Yorks)

Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

Quote:
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)

wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

Quote:
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)

This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

Quote:
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

Disagree slightly on Martz, because when Nolan hired him he was told by Jed, that he disagreed with the hire.

Can't tell who's saying what, but is someone actually defending the Yorks decsions (too many to count) and trying to deflect blame, and saying bulls**t like "Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL."

Please stop.

That quote was in regards to the OP blaming the Yorks for Mike Nolan. What exactly would you blame the Yorks for as far as Mike Nolan goes?

Originally posted by AJ_Larrea954:

Dont lose faith brother or hulka mania is gonna run wild on you!!