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How do you rate Singletary's ability to select and performance manage his staff?
How do you rate Singletary's ability to select and performance manage his staff?
Feb 14, 2010 at 1:00 PM
- 804Niner
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He gets an "A" from me...First of all, I am tired of the O.C. position being a rotating door...There is no need to keep bring in big name guys who will just add to their resume for a year and leave...We do have some veteran coaches too that Sing has selected...Until a MAJORITY of the guys that Sing selects does a crappy job on a CONSISTANT basis, I have no problem with his selections thus far...
Feb 14, 2010 at 1:03 PM
- posterX
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Originally posted by tjd808185:
Raye was far from his first choice, and even though he's average playcaller at least he gets the most out of our playmakers.
So far I give Singletary an B on putting together his coaching staff. Hopefully he turned around the line this offseason with Solari and Ray Brown, he recognized that Martz was a square peg, and he brought in a good young qb coach. Raye's a C- hire but I think his other moves offset it.
WTF, a B?
His hires have been a mix of guys out of football (Johnson), guys nobody would touch in a million years (Raye), family members, and other rejects.... his coaching staff selections have been abominable.... due mostly to his inability to control his ego, as well as, his inability to properly assess what is needed to win in today's game.... he meddles in things he has no idea about.
Feb 14, 2010 at 4:50 PM
- MRNINESEVEN
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Originally posted by Hawksfan81:Originally posted by cubanb:
To me, it seems like he didn't plan and have a staff in mind ahead of time. His few hires have been mediocre. The rest were inherited.
In his defense I dont think that he planned on being the HC in the first place. He got an internal promotion on a temp basis and then it turned into a full time gig.
LOL he knew what was at stake man. He's been wanting to coach for a while & he saw this as an op to get that.
Feb 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM
- Yetiman
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Some guys can coach (read teach), some guys can motivate, some can manage, some can identify talent. Some can do it all, like Bill Walsh.
I think Mike gets an A for motivation and C or less in the other areas. The good thing is that he's still learning and (somewhat) open to change. The bad thing is the Raye and Schottenheimer hires. He does stuff like that and then hires Solari and Brown. Totally schizo...
Jury will be out for a while yet.
I think Mike gets an A for motivation and C or less in the other areas. The good thing is that he's still learning and (somewhat) open to change. The bad thing is the Raye and Schottenheimer hires. He does stuff like that and then hires Solari and Brown. Totally schizo...
Jury will be out for a while yet.
Feb 14, 2010 at 6:18 PM
- jones49
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C. Seems like it might be worse but I'll give him some slack after only 1 year.
Feb 14, 2010 at 6:23 PM
- BigRon
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I give him a D. Not because of his choice of Jimmy Raye but because of his waiting to make changes when they should have been made.
He was ready to move forward with Forester and I believe he would have held on to him. It was only Miami's call that saved us from yet another season of substandard coaching of the Oline.
He was ready to move forward with Forester and I believe he would have held on to him. It was only Miami's call that saved us from yet another season of substandard coaching of the Oline.
Feb 14, 2010 at 8:11 PM
- carlgo
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Sing burst upon the scene with an unworkable offensive scheme, bad hires and his pants on the ground. I thought it was embarrassing. A grade of F was being charitable.
But, Sing proved to be more flexible than most anyone thought. He is a very good leader when he is being realistic.
So, he is up to a C- and that is a big jump. Next year will be easier in that he has the experience, but there are tough issues to deal with if this team is to be more than maybe marginally better and if they are not, then will the organization give him another year?
But, Sing proved to be more flexible than most anyone thought. He is a very good leader when he is being realistic.
So, he is up to a C- and that is a big jump. Next year will be easier in that he has the experience, but there are tough issues to deal with if this team is to be more than maybe marginally better and if they are not, then will the organization give him another year?
Feb 15, 2010 at 10:41 AM
- BigRon
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Originally posted by carlgo:
Sing burst upon the scene with an unworkable offensive scheme, bad hires and his pants on the ground. I thought it was embarrassing. A grade of F was being charitable.
But, Sing proved to be more flexible than most anyone thought. He is a very good leader when he is being realistic.
So, he is up to a C- and that is a big jump. Next year will be easier in that he has the experience, but there are tough issues to deal with if this team is to be more than maybe marginally better and if they are not, then will the organization give him another year?
I think if he shows ANY sign of improvement and if the team shows it as well, regardless of the record, he will be brought back for another season. I don't think he is tied to the failure or success of any one player.
Feb 15, 2010 at 11:02 AM
- toeknee
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Originally posted by BigRon:
I give him a D. Not because of his choice of Jimmy Raye but because of his waiting to make changes when they should have been made.
He was ready to move forward with Forester and I believe he would have held on to him. It was only Miami's call that saved us from yet another season of substandard coaching of the Oline.
It was Washington and I agree, people are giving him credit for Solari but he had been available and Sing still stuck with Foerster,
And I don't know about Raye. Davis and Gore had good years but sometimes the playcalling was horrible. Sing said he and Raye would discuss the direction the offense would be going in so I hope they work it out and cut out all the conservative s**t when we have small leads that cost us games.
Feb 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM
- Shemp
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Originally posted by 804Niner:
He gets an "A" from me...First of all, I am tired of the O.C. position being a rotating door...There is no need to keep bring in big name guys who will just add to their resume for a year and leave...We do have some veteran coaches too that Sing has selected...Until a MAJORITY of the guys that Sing selects does a crappy job on a CONSISTANT basis, I have no problem with his selections thus far...
well, it's easy to stop a revolving door at the OC position by hiring somebody that nobody else would offer a promotion to in order to lure him out of SF (like what happened with many of our other OC's). If that's the strategy - take the leftovers because nobody else will want them down the line - then I don't like it. I never even heard of Jimmy Raye until we interviewed him.
Feb 15, 2010 at 11:59 AM
- ninerfreak
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well he can keep an OC for more than a year thats a plus from the Nolan era lol
Feb 15, 2010 at 2:19 PM
- pasodoc9er
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Your ques about bigMike's ability to select and manage his staff worries me. The foerster thing was such a slam dunk that i was appalled bigmike didn't see it. That was one of the reasons i was very iffy on bigmike's hiring. I would really have liked to see us hire him as DC for his first "in charge" job, but no, we make him a HC. It's like we promoted him before he was ready. Inexperience trumps even motivation, where bigmike is off the board with A+++. He is, however , our coach, and i support him.
It is painfully obvious to me that to keep a great OC around, he needs to be the HC, and that is not happening here...at least for the time being. And it can't just be any OC, it has to be a special one. Cam Cameron of SD fame, flamed out in miami, just a complete bust. But sean Payton...well, obviously, i would love to have had him, or bellicheat, Tom Moore(colts), or a few others. Great OCs don't stay around. They become HCs. We have jimmyrae, and i don't think we are in danger of anyone stealing him. Bigmike's intent to retain foerster was just plain awful, and in addition to not being an Xs and Os type of guy, it seems like he may not be a good talent evaluator. I mean how hard could it be to know our OL just sucked before and after foerster got here? That is my big concern about bigmike, and again, i lay this at the foot of inexperience. I don't mind him learning on us, i am just afraid the gap to close is way too wide. I wish bigMike well, hope for success, but am fearful that is a forlorn hope.
If bigmike watched the SB, and took one thing away from it, i would hope for it to be, Do NOT coach "not to lose", but rather "coach to win". There is a mountain of difference between the two, and since bigmike is learning to be a HC, i sure hope he took note of how to do it from sean payton.
It is painfully obvious to me that to keep a great OC around, he needs to be the HC, and that is not happening here...at least for the time being. And it can't just be any OC, it has to be a special one. Cam Cameron of SD fame, flamed out in miami, just a complete bust. But sean Payton...well, obviously, i would love to have had him, or bellicheat, Tom Moore(colts), or a few others. Great OCs don't stay around. They become HCs. We have jimmyrae, and i don't think we are in danger of anyone stealing him. Bigmike's intent to retain foerster was just plain awful, and in addition to not being an Xs and Os type of guy, it seems like he may not be a good talent evaluator. I mean how hard could it be to know our OL just sucked before and after foerster got here? That is my big concern about bigmike, and again, i lay this at the foot of inexperience. I don't mind him learning on us, i am just afraid the gap to close is way too wide. I wish bigMike well, hope for success, but am fearful that is a forlorn hope.
If bigmike watched the SB, and took one thing away from it, i would hope for it to be, Do NOT coach "not to lose", but rather "coach to win". There is a mountain of difference between the two, and since bigmike is learning to be a HC, i sure hope he took note of how to do it from sean payton.
Feb 15, 2010 at 7:17 PM
- SJniner7
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Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by SJniner7:
C, as of right now. He has not done a whole lot yet. Had Forester stayed, we would still have him on the staff. Sing had no intention of firing the guy. Him bringing in Jimmy Raye is a huge head-scratcher as was seen last year, and he pretty much inherited the rest of the staff...
O, and I forgot about firing Everest. If I recall correctly, the worst aspect of our ST was our punt returns...? All of our coverage units were ranked fairly high, and our kickoff returns were not bad either. Sing fired Everest because of a flub in Seattle (which would not have gotten us into the playoffs) seems like a little much...
Everest was not fired. His contract simply expired and he was not re-hired that was as much a McCloughan decision as it was Mike's. I'm not hanging that squarely around Mike's neck.
~Ceadder
Ya ya, details, details. He was still let go, most likely due to the issue in Seattle, while our ST was ranked high all except our punt returns. You can prove me wrong, since I am too lazy to look up the specific rankings, but our ST was not nearly as badly ranked as our pass D and offense...
Feb 15, 2010 at 8:31 PM
- sincalfaithful
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Originally posted by Hawksfan81:
I gave him a B. He did bring in Solari for your O-line and that is an upgrade. Plus if the Steve Young/Alex Smith thing works out that would be a huge positive for you guys.
He's better than pete caroll though
Feb 16, 2010 at 12:56 AM
- CorvaNinerFan
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I'd give him a "B" now...Schottenheimer was a good hire. He's a vastly experienced NFL coach...any time you can add his resume to your coaching staff, that's a good thing. Solari was arguably an even better hire...he's a McKittrick disciple, and that alone was reason to sign him. Even more, he was largely responsible for KC churning out Pro Bowl OL every season he was there. He and Raye also have some connections. Lastly, one of his trademarks is his ability to coach-up rookies to start and be productive their initial seasons. Finally, bringing Ray Brown back was a great move. RB's a rare guy...played 20 years in the NFL, finally winning Pro Bowl honors as a Niner in 2001. An excellent teacher, he'll help mold our OL into a winning outfit.