No Shotgun Offense Please: Colts a perfect reason why.

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's simple:

Both teams have offensive talent at WR and RBs.

Only one team is actually a threat to use all of its talent.

When a predictable team plays agianst a top level team, the predictable team loses more often than wins which is why the Colts only have 1 SB win in 10+ years when they should have had more by now.

It's simpler than that:

Their 1 Super Bowl and multiple playoff wins every year are better than our 1 playoff win in the last 10 years. Obviously what they're doing is far better than what we're doing.

I'd love it if we could complain about losing the Super Bowl, but we're too busy looking at Mock Drafts in November.

Originally posted by WheresWaldo:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
What an awesome idea! Make Alex play all snaps from under center. He'll definitely succeed that way.

NO, let's just run an offense that will pad his stats so you can say he isn't a bust and let the team sort out the losses.

Teams model their offenses around the quarterbacks strengths, not weaknesses. Our organization has been so bad the past 5 or 6 years that nobody realized Alex can only play in the spread.

But first, the team incorporates a winning philopsophy and with this team, it's running the ball, playaction, and throwing to it's running back.

Alex is an NFL QB and I'm sure he has enough skill to learn to drop back. He will be a much better QB for doing so. His stats have better potential if he can do that.

Specialist offenses such as Shotgun or Spread in the NFL are more effectively used for "winning time" situations in a game. If used too often, they get figured out by top level teams.

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's simple:

Both teams have offensive talent at WR and RBs.

Only one team is actually a threat to use all of its talent.

When a predictable team plays agianst a top level team, the predictable team loses more often than wins which is why the Colts only have 1 SB win in 10+ years when they should have had more by now.

It's simpler than that:

Their 1 Super Bowl and multiple playoff wins every year are better than our 1 playoff win in the last 10 years. Obviously what they're doing is far better than what we're doing.

I'd love it if we could complain about losing the Super Bowl, but we're too busy looking at Mock Drafts in November.

We won more games when we got away from the Raye Gun. It helps in parts of a game, but it hurts when that's all you got.

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Yes, let's not be like a team that could've gone undefeated if they wanted to, and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.

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Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's simple:

Both teams have offensive talent at WR and RBs.

Only one team is actually a threat to use all of its talent.

When a predictable team plays agianst a top level team, the predictable team loses more often than wins which is why the Colts only have 1 SB win in 10+ years when they should have had more by now.

It's simpler than that:

Their 1 Super Bowl and multiple playoff wins every year are better than our 1 playoff win in the last 10 years. Obviously what they're doing is far better than what we're doing.

I'd love it if we could complain about losing the Super Bowl, but we're too busy looking at Mock Drafts in November.

We won more games when we got away from the Raye Gun. It helps in parts of a game, but it hurts when that's all you got.

You're arguing against a perennial Super Bowl contender.

I'm not saying the shotgun offense is right for us, but I don't think there's anything wrong with what the Colts are doing offensively.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Colts passed 45 times
Saints passed 39 times
Saints threw the ball way more then the Colts all game, Colts didn't catch up until the last 5 mins.

This game was only close because of costly drops by the colts and poor defensive performance. Games like this show why the colts need Bob Sanders

Joe Cool, you do know the colts have won a SB recently right?

You do know they are usually the favorites every year but keep getting knocked out except for one time, right? They rely too much on one style. If they were able to set up more misdirection with the run, Manning would be unstoppable. Unfortunately, everyone knows the Colts will never be a threat to run so the defenses will never be fooled.

The problem with that statement is that regardless of how how much of a run game they have (or don't have), the Colts play action plays are still very, very effective. The experts always talk about how one would think the Colts couldn't run play action without having a running attack, yet they are very effective with it, week in and week out. So to say that defenses will never be fooled is not an accurate statement. True, especially in the first half, the Saints pretty much sold out to the pass and ignored the possibility of a run, which would make the play action ineffective. But that's when Manning went under center and handed it to Addai who ran straight up the middle for 10+ yards per carry. That doesn't seem one dimensional to me.

Originally posted by mrgneissguy:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Colts passed 45 times
Saints passed 39 times
Saints threw the ball way more then the Colts all game, Colts didn't catch up until the last 5 mins.

This game was only close because of costly drops by the colts and poor defensive performance. Games like this show why the colts need Bob Sanders

Joe Cool, you do know the colts have won a SB recently right?

You do know they are usually the favorites every year but keep getting knocked out except for one time, right? They rely too much on one style. If they were able to set up more misdirection with the run, Manning would be unstoppable. Unfortunately, everyone knows the Colts will never be a threat to run so the defenses will never be fooled.

The problem with that statement is that regardless of how how much of a run game they have (or don't have), the Colts play action plays are still very, very effective. The experts always talk about how one would think the Colts couldn't run play action without having a running attack, yet they are very effective with it, week in and week out. So to say that defenses will never be fooled is not an accurate statement. True, especially in the first half, the Saints pretty much sold out to the pass and ignored the possibility of a run, which would make the play action ineffective. But that's when Manning went under center and handed it to Addai who ran straight up the middle for 10+ yards per carry. That doesn't seem one dimensional to me.

Yes but even after the run was working, they still went to shotgun more often when it was a passing play. The offense failed because they should have called on more playaction from that success of running. It just seems like they think they must have an obvious passing formation in order for them to have success passing the ball, which was their downfall.

Overreaction monday and the Niners didn't even play? Is this a first? Congrats Joe, you made history.

How about hope Niners get an elite qb soon, so they can get back to the Super Bowl.

Your post makes good sense. This was what I was afraid of as well, when the Niners switched to a spread/shotgun offense. It only works so much; when you are a 1 dimensional offense, you will run into a defense that can stop that. The bend but don't break mentality that Saints used last night worked; ya, they blitzed, played man to man, but on half those plays you couldn't even see the safety on the screen pre-snap.

Not only that, you have one of the greatest QB's leading that offense, some of those passes that Manning made in the first half were flat out amazing (the pass to Clark with 3 around him, the back-peddling laser he threw to Collie). I don't see Alex doing the same thing with this offense, we need to be more balanced.

Ya, he's been to the SB twice, and he beat a good Bears defense the first time, but lets face it, he was facing Grossman...and Peyton didn't have that good of a game either. In big games, against GREAT teams, being 1 dimensional will not work most of the time.

If Manning doesn't throw that pick 6, and the Colts went on to win the game, something tells me that there would be a thread here on the zone about how the Spread is the best offense.

I disagree with your logic 110%

There was nothing wrong with the Colts offense. It moved the ball when it was on the field. The problem was, they weren't on the field much. Plus Addai had like 76 yards on just 9 carries at one point.

The Colts loss bc there defense couldn't get off the field.

The Colts offense is > 95% of the rest of the league.

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Yes, let's not be like a team that could've gone undefeated if they wanted to, and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.

lol

Who says we are going to a Shotgun Offense? We did it for 2 games last season (against Jags and Seahawks).

Expect a much more balanced offense.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Your post makes good sense. This was what I was afraid of as well, when the Niners switched to a spread/shotgun offense. It only works so much; when you are a 1 dimensional offense, you will run into a defense that can stop that. The bend but don't break mentality that Saints used last night worked; ya, they blitzed, played man to man, but on half those plays you couldn't even see the safety on the screen pre-snap.

Not only that, you have one of the greatest QB's leading that offense, some of those passes that Manning made in the first half were flat out amazing (the pass to Clark with 3 around him, the back-peddling laser he threw to Collie). I don't see Alex doing the same thing with this offense, we need to be more balanced.

Ya, he's been to the SB twice, and he beat a good Bears defense the first time, but lets face it, he was facing Grossman...and Peyton didn't have that good of a game either. In big games, against GREAT teams, being 1 dimensional will not work most of the time.

Thanks for clearifying my point of being one-dimensional. Yes, the Colts ran the ball effectively but as most of the posters on this thread don't understand is that they didn't use that success in running the ball to be more efficient in passing the ball. With rushing 70+ yards on 9 carries, they rarely ran a misdirection pass play because Manning is so "great" he doesn't need it, which resulting in more predictable passing formations and the Saints knowing exactly when the pass was coming.

The Colts offensive plan failed. Some keep talking about the onside kick being the momentum changer forgot that the Colts took the lead right back after that. Yeah, what a momentum changer.

The big difference was that when the Colts were passing, everyone and their momma knew they were passing. They should have worked with more misdirection passing plays rather than relying on the utter fail of Manning and the Tunnel Vision that happens with a great passer like him.