Many of you seriously underrate our defense

You mean overrate?

Patrick Willis has 147 tackles (109 solo), 4 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and 3 ints, and 1 defensive td on the year.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Patrick Willis has 147 tackles (109 solo), 4 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and 3 ints, and 1 defensive td on the year.

That dudes amazing!

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by krizay:
good teams

Cards 16
Cards 9
Colts 18

only 3 games versus good teams our D played good. As you see 2 versus division rival. A team we know very well. Didn't see the Colts game but to hear everyone talk on this board. Manning was just off but people open all day.

Vikes 27
ATL 45
HOU 24
Tenn 34
GB 30

Not to mention the Seattle game in which the Niners defense couldn't get them off the field and pretty much sealed the deal on making the playoffs. The defense is solid but so far on the road they don't play the same. I think they are a middle of the pack defense.

Yes but in the Seattle game Keith Smith gave up the ultimate play to lose the game and in no way should he have been on the field in that situation. May have been a personnel problem.

I agree, in a big situation you put in your 5th string db.. then decide to not give him safety help on that play?

Yea I agree on that but from my understanding he's somebody that apparently Manusky knows from elsewhere and he trusted him out there. to this day i'm still trying to figure out who that guy was. this defense has good components but against good offenses that know exactly how to attack they have problems. Besides the Cards I haven't seen the Niner pass rush play well against any other top tier teams they have played. Of course it looks great when you play Seattle, and STL, twice, and Detroit. what the defense is missing is that one scary pass rusher that is good ot the point where offense focus on him and the other guys come up with big plays. I think a good safety and the return of Nate makes the secondary more stable. Not great but better. Add in a serious pass rusher and this is a top 10 defense.

The problem with the defense is that they can't stop anybody between the 20s. The truth of this is that the defense give up big yardage (especially through the air) but tightens once they're in the red zone.

It truly is a bend-but-don't-break defense.

-9fA

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
The problem with the defense is that they can't stop anybody between the 20s. The truth of this is that the defense give up big yardage (especially through the air) but tightens once they're in the red zone.

It truly is a bend-but-don't-break defense.

-9fA

exactly. Atleast versus good teams anyway.

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
It just sucks that at critical times our D can't get off the field, that's why it seems like our D sucks

but they have done a good job overall

That is the same problem we have had the last 2-3 years. Our offense has way too many 3 and outs.

That leaves the defense tired in crunch time.

It all leads back to the offense. Overall this defensive squad has done a decent and sometimes great job. They will be much better when the offense becomes more consistant completing 3rd downs. That will rest the defense and make them much more effective.

The offense needs to reward the defense's hard work by scoring after the takeover......

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
The problem with the defense is that they can't stop anybody between the 20s. The truth of this is that the defense give up big yardage (especially through the air) but tightens once they're in the red zone.

It truly is a bend-but-don't-break defense.

-9fA

exactly. Atleast versus good teams anyway.

As evidence:
* 18th in yardage allowed
* 6th in points allowed

I'm not quite sure you can keep saying that "the offense puts the defense in bad positions." If this were true, wouldn't the yardage total be LOWER and the point total, HIGHER?

-9fA

Originally posted by krizay:
good teams

Cards 16
Cards 9
Colts 18

only 3 games versus good teams our D played good. As you see 2 versus division rival. A team we know very well. Didn't see the Colts game but to hear everyone talk on this board. Manning was just off but people open all day.

Vikes 27
ATL 45
HOU 24
Tenn 34
GB 30

If the Niners lost only those five games, they'd be 10-5 going into St. Lous and winning the division.

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by krizay:
good teams

Cards 16
Cards 9
Colts 18

only 3 games versus good teams our D played good. As you see 2 versus division rival. A team we know very well. Didn't see the Colts game but to hear everyone talk on this board. Manning was just off but people open all day.

Vikes 27
ATL 45
HOU 24
Tenn 34
GB 30

You have a good point but if you take it a little further...

Ten game Alex smith gave them the damn ball. (result.. Defense was put in a bad position.)

Hou- Defense played ok mostly (except TE coverage) Shaun Hill couldn't move the team, so it was 3 and out city. (again keeping the d on teh field)

GB- The D played bad, but I still blame the offense here.. especially that bad first half.

This seems to be an Alex bash thread, and nothing to do with the subject

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by krizay:
good teams

Cards 16
Cards 9
Colts 18

only 3 games versus good teams our D played good. As you see 2 versus division rival. A team we know very well. Didn't see the Colts game but to hear everyone talk on this board. Manning was just off but people open all day.

Vikes 27
ATL 45
HOU 24
Tenn 34
GB 30

If the Niners lost only those five games, they'd be 10-5 going into St. Lous and winning the division.

I thought this thread was about how underrated our defense was. Which the point you're trying to make have no legs to stand on.

Originally posted by Sjceruti:
We are 6th in the league in points per game with an offense that puts us in terrible positions all the time. Alex throws a int in our own territory or we go 3 and out and give the other team good field position all the time but still our defense only allows the 6th least points.

Obviously our defense isnt perfect and our pass defense could use some help but all you glass half empty people saying our defense isnt legit and who constantly complain look at the most important stat. Points per game.

IMO our O needs to improve across the board; but, at least we're consistent. Our points per game average, that we score, stays about the same regardless if we play above .500 teams or below .500 teams. (18.75 for teams above .500 and 17.86 for teams below .500)

If we apply these same calculations to the D, well, it's a whole different story. For teams below .500 we hold them to an average points per game of 11.28. For teams that are above .500, they score an average of 24.5 points against us. This indicates that the D is a problem.

Our D is great when we play teams that have a losing record; but, there's a reason that these teams are losing.... When we play a team with a winning record (or an even 8-8) the Niners D gets exposed. Point is our D is a major problem and I think you may be overrating it...

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:
We are 6th in the league in points per game with an offense that puts us in terrible positions all the time. Alex throws a int in our own territory or we go 3 and out and give the other team good field position all the time but still our defense only allows the 6th least points.

Obviously our defense isnt perfect and our pass defense could use some help but all you glass half empty people saying our defense isnt legit and who constantly complain look at the most important stat. Points per game.

IMO our O needs to improve across the board; but, at least we're consistent. Our points per game, we score, stays about the same regardless if we play above .500 teams or below .500 teams our average. (18.75 for teams above .500 and 17.86 for teams below .500)

If we apply these same calculations to the D, well, it's a whole different story. For teams below .500 we hold them to an average points per game of 11.28. For teams that are above .500, they score an average of 24.5 points against us. This indicates that the D is a problem.

Our D is great when we play teams that have a losing record; but, there's a reason that these teams are losing.... When we play a team with a winning record (or an even 8-8) the Niners D gets exposed. Point is our D is a major problem and I think you may be overrating it...

The D has shown a lot of improvement this year. They have gotten a lot of turnovers this year, but the Offense(Smith is supposed to be the leader and he isn't getting it done) hasn't taken advantage of them. Not very many points from the many turnovers.
Brook coming on and doing well, Manny right there too and it a more flexible player, Harylson not as successful this year, but helps make a good rotation. Willis always doing his job and just a little short of being a great player. Even Roman, compared to last year, is doing better. He is just filling in and not sure we could get a better backup and that is where he will be back to next season. Defensive line doing pretty good too. Lots of injuries at DB. Spencer look pretty good and Bly is a good backup too. A little tweaking and this D is going places. We need an offense that can take advantage of bonuses that the D is giving them. You know, less 3 and outs and more points off of those turnovers. At least move it down the field and help with field position.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:
We are 6th in the league in points per game with an offense that puts us in terrible positions all the time. Alex throws a int in our own territory or we go 3 and out and give the other team good field position all the time but still our defense only allows the 6th least points.

Obviously our defense isnt perfect and our pass defense could use some help but all you glass half empty people saying our defense isnt legit and who constantly complain look at the most important stat. Points per game.

IMO our O needs to improve across the board; but, at least we're consistent. Our points per game, we score, stays about the same regardless if we play above .500 teams or below .500 teams our average. (18.75 for teams above .500 and 17.86 for teams below .500)

If we apply these same calculations to the D, well, it's a whole different story. For teams below .500 we hold them to an average points per game of 11.28. For teams that are above .500, they score an average of 24.5 points against us. This indicates that the D is a problem.

Our D is great when we play teams that have a losing record; but, there's a reason that these teams are losing.... When we play a team with a winning record (or an even 8-8) the Niners D gets exposed. Point is our D is a major problem and I think you may be overrating it...