VD still has stone hands

Well, he does drop some, but he's our biggest receiving threat...so I'd temper any criticism with that fact. Had it not been for Vernon, we wouldn't have had a TD today. I realize that's little consolation, but VD's not the reason we lost. It was an overall team effort...

Originally posted by ianna:

Originally posted by mastahyee:

Originally posted by matt49er:
VD drops passes every now and again but is easily the #2 TE in the league and a top 10 WR/TE playmaker in the NFL.

It's a pity, really, that the catches that he DOES drop are the ones that are on critical downs or in critical situations--otherwise we wouldn't be so critical of his performance.

His drop will not make a difference in the game. Our defense can't make a critical stop when needed. How about that play against the RAMS that was called back because of holding penalty? Give the guy a break!

I am trying to give him a break--he's one of the few players on the offense who can actually catch and run when the opportunity is presented to him. I just think that the "critical situation" drops are why people spotlight him for not having "good" hands.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Well, he does drop some, but he's our biggest receiving threat...so I'd temper any criticism with that fact. Had it not been for Vernon, we wouldn't have had a TD today. I realize that's little consolation, but VD's not the reason we lost. It was an overall team effort...

Did the film tell you that. We lost today because are head coach is a idiot. Why they rest of the league is playing chess he's playing checkers... just a few more games and sing's gone, at least we have hope... i wish we would have lost more games so we could get luck dammit screwing us over any way he can.

I remember the good old days when we could put davis as a wr and go wait this is a mismatch against any cb with his size and speed combo. I don't care if he drops it if that means we can drop sing.

lmfao he drops one pass and magically he has stone hands Morgan and Crabtree have more drops this season than VD does.

Vd is THE man!

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Vd is THE man!

Yea he is but I think his habit of jumping for catches when he doesent have to is hurting him....he had a sure TD that he would have caught in stride but he jumped and the defender knocked it out.

Originally posted by Snider8706:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Vd is THE man!

Yea he is but I think his habit of jumping for catches when he doesent have to is hurting him....he had a sure TD that he would have caught in stride but he jumped and the defender knocked it out.

the ball had already gone through his hands before the defender even touched him.

Probably the least of the Niners' concerned.

Who should be coaching? Who should be QB? or Can the defense not look so out-coached and outsmarted? should be our primary concerns now. I'm sure Crabtree and Davis would be spectacular if Rodgers was throwing to them.

And even though Davis had some drops, the pass he pulled away from the DB was impressive and long TDs are always nice.

VD is our best weapon PERIOD in the passing game. Crabs is second and yet we dont use any of them the best way we can. Now that gore is out we need to get creative with these guys and the rest of the WR. Use ginn and his speed to stretch the field but NOOOOO lets just run HB dive all game.

OMG he dropped one pass PLEASE CUT THIS BUM

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
It's time to trade Vernon (for nothing less than a starter or first round pick).

1. He'll never have more value
2. He leads the league in drops.
3. Alex Smith is inconsisent. We can't afford to have our leading receiver inconsistent as well.
4. Vernon has no 'football" sense. Did you see the way he pulled back from that deep interception Sunday? He didn't change his route, become a defender, or even try to tackler in defensive player. In fact, Vernon got out of his way. TV commentator said he'll learn how to run and catch inside (by rubbing off referees, etc.) He hasn't learned in his four years. He too often has his head turned to the pass, not realizing he is the hot receiver.
5. Delanie Walker can do nearly all VD can except he'll catch more balls.

I agree with you, if the right compensation was presented I would trade him. Yes he has made some plays and has scored a lot of TDs this year. But the TE has to have great hands and now how to find open spaces in the defenses. Its not about being the fastest guy.

If we could get a pro bowl caliber OL, S, CB or pass rusher I would trade VD in a heartbeat.

That's what I'm saying. This off season, VD will not be seen as damaged goods. Other teams will see only his TDs and highlights. Not his lowlights.

With a good to great defense, the Niners need a dependable and consistent offense. Consistent in drive to drive and game to game. The tight end needs to help make the third down plays. How many did we miss Sunday?

All the holes this team is showing and you want to trade our best playmaker in the passing game.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
It's time to trade Vernon (for nothing less than a starter or first round pick).

1. He'll never have more value
2. He leads the league in drops.
3. Alex Smith is inconsisent. We can't afford to have our leading receiver inconsistent as well.
4. Vernon has no 'football" sense. Did you see the way he pulled back from that deep interception Sunday? He didn't change his route, become a defender, or even try to tackler in defensive player. In fact, Vernon got out of his way. TV commentator said he'll learn how to run and catch inside (by rubbing off referees, etc.) He hasn't learned in his four years. He too often has his head turned to the pass, not realizing he is the hot receiver.
5. Delanie Walker can do nearly all VD can except he'll catch more balls.

I agree with you, if the right compensation was presented I would trade him. Yes he has made some plays and has scored a lot of TDs this year. But the TE has to have great hands and now how to find open spaces in the defenses. Its not about being the fastest guy.

If we could get a pro bowl caliber OL, S, CB or pass rusher I would trade VD in a heartbeat.

That's what I'm saying. This off season, VD will not be seen as damaged goods. Other teams will see only his TDs and highlights. Not his lowlights.

With a good to great defense, the Niners need a dependable and consistent offense. Consistent in drive to drive and game to game. The tight end needs to help make the third down plays. How many did we miss Sunday?

All the holes this team is showing and you want to trade our best playmaker in the passing game.

if susweel had his way we would trade away Gore, Willis, VD, Crabtree, Clements, J. Smith and any other player we have that he considers has "trade value"

I'm beating a dead horse here but I'll say it anyways. It bothers me so much how our not good coaching staff under utilized VD. We have wasted this guy's talent for so long. He is a guy that can give you 1000 yards receiving every year if targeted more times every game. Gore is good but I think the offense would be a lot better if we focus more on VD instead of Gore. Watching the Packers game, the guy is unstopable. Imagine what he would do if he has Brady, Rogers or Manning throwing to him. To me, he is as explosive as Randy Moss. A threat to score anytime he touches the ball. Just my two cents.

Actually Davis doesn't drop many Passes. He has the occasional miss a game but if you look at the overall picture, instead of focusing on the occasional; you will see that it's a chemistry issue for the most part. No Pass comes out of Troy's hand the same way twice. Receivers are best when they don't have to come off their feet to make the completion. Troy has them up in the air more often than not.

Now this is not me making an issue of the QB. It's just pointing out that he's still young and has a ways to go. Hell he and Ginn probably have the best chemistry going back to their days at the OSU, and even Ginn has trouble getting the completion. That Sideline toss was too high for most Receivers. Ginn stuck with it but the momentum was against him.

But seriously, I don't get the idea that the Stone hands have returned. Davis is our most consistent Receiver on the field. If he tips a ball it's not likely to end up in the hands of a Defender the way a Tree tipped Pass does. Unfortunately he only has so many looks from Troy so when he does have a drop it's noticeable.

I say he gets maybe 3 looks a game from Troy. Someone stated that it's 6. So let's say he gets 3 to 6 looks a game. He averages 1.3 drops a game. That's not bad when you stop to consider that his grabs are generally big.

I could see this thread about Morgan and Tree. Not Davis. That's jmho on this subject since Ginn doesn't see many Passes to get called out for anything.

I really and truly hope that if nothing else happens to the coaching staff going into next season, that Sullivan is escorted off the premises at shotgun point. I could do a better job than that guy. None of our Receivers run good routes. Even slow Receivers can get separation when they run solid routes and put in the effort to run their routes cleanly. When they get jammed they make up for it with crisp footwork. Jerry was not the fastest guy on the field at the snap but his routes were crisp and when he had the ball he knew where to run to take the angle away from the Defenders. Not one of our Receivers has this awareness or if they do they don't know where to run when being pursued. Hell even Frank is bad in this. When he has one guy to beat and a blocker in front of him he tries to bounce to the outside but then ultimately runs right back to his blocker. Instead he should cross up that guy and leave him hung up with the blocker. He would get more yardage this way and probably score from longer distances as well. This is obviously not Sully's fault where Gore is concerned, but it's a footwork issue and it should be taught to all our Offensive personnel. I'm tired of seeing our guys take inferior paths to the end zone.

~Ceadder

wasting VD's career like we wasted franks