Are you happy with Hill's Performance?

Originally posted by backontop:
I hate when people post stats like that. How in the heck am I supposed to read that. It looks like a jumbled mess of numbers.

The point wasn't about the numbers. It was about the company he's in. But, if you care about the numbers, Hill has passed for 700 yards in four games, averaging 175 yards a game. Like I said, people had a fit when Smith put up numbers like that. Hill puts those numbers up, and the people complaining about Smith say Hill is doing just fine.

Hypocrisy at it's best, no?

Originally posted by Squirrel:
If these stats were posted by someone named Smith, half the Zone would be having kittens, claiming he is a bust and totally worthless. Yet, because Hill is putting up these numbers, people are happy. I just don't get it.

FYI, take a look at the bottom of the stats for passing yards:

22 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
23 Matt Ryan ATL QB 60 91 65.9 30.3 648 7.1 216.0 5 1 38 41.8 27 9 0 2 100.4
24 Seneca Wallace SEA QB 74 112 66.1 28.0 645 5.8 161.2 3 2 34 30.4 39T 6 0 8 82.6
25 Jake Delhomme CAR QB 54 91 59.3 30.3 601 6.6 200.3 2 7 31 34.1 32 8 0 7 54.3
26 Byron Leftwich TB QB 58 107 54.2 35.7 594 5.6 198.0 4 3 27 25.2 47 7 2 2 71.2
27 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
28 JaMarcus Russell OAK QB 43 108 39.8 27.0 506 4.7 126.5 1 4 25 23.1 57T 4 1 8 42.4
29 Matt Cassel KC QB 53 89 59.6 29.7 458 5.1 152.7 5 2 24 27.0 43 4 1 10 82.5
30 Chad Pennington MIA QB 51 74 68.9 24.7 413 5.6 137.7 1 2 27 36.5 21 3 0 6 76.0
31 Brady Quinn CLE QB 45 74 60.8 24.7 400 5.4 133.3 1 3 21 28.4 26T 3 0 10 62.9
32 Derek Anderson CLE QB 37 67 55.2 33.5 361 5.4 180.5 1 4 20 29.9 30 5 0 3 50.7
33 Marc Bulger STL QB 35 68 51.5 22.7 339 5.0 113.0 1 0 17 25.0 45 2 1 5 70.6


Look at the names below our boy Hill. With the exception of Favre and Ryan, I wouldn't want to be listed anywhere near those chumps.

Who cares about passing yards. It's not like Shaun gets to call the plays. It's all about how well a QB can execute the plays that are called for him. Check the QB rate....

6 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 104 142 73.2 35.5 1,193 8.4 298.2 5 4 59 41.5 51 14 2 10 98.1
7 Kyle Orton DEN QB 69 117 59.0 29.2 906 7.7 226.5 5 0 38 32.5 87T 13 3 6 97.7
8 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 51 90 56.7 30.0 714 7.9 238.0 4 0 31 34.4 53 11 4 12 97.2
9 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
10 Joe Flacco BAL QB 95 151 62.9 37.8 1,103 7.3 275.8 8 3 66 43.7 72T 12 1 5 94.3
11 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
12 Philip Rivers SD QB 88 150 58.7 37.5 1,245 8.3 311.2 6 3 58 38.7 81T 16 4 10 90.6
13 Jay Cutler CHI QB 83 129 64.3 32.2 901 7.0 225.2 8 5 44 34.1 68 13 1 8 89.3
14 David Garrard JAC QB 82 138 59.4 34.5 941 6.8 235.2 5 1 42 30.4 34 10 0 7 89.1
15 Kevin Kolb PHI QB 62 96 64.6 32.0 741 7.7 247.0 4 3 31 32.3 71T 8 3 3 88.9

[ Edited by D_Niner on Oct 5, 2009 at 13:42:22 ]

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Squirrel:
If these stats were posted by someone named Smith, half the Zone would be having kittens, claiming he is a bust and totally worthless. Yet, because Hill is putting up these numbers, people are happy. I just don't get it.

FYI, take a look at the bottom of the stats for passing yards:

22 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
23 Matt Ryan ATL QB 60 91 65.9 30.3 648 7.1 216.0 5 1 38 41.8 27 9 0 2 100.4
24 Seneca Wallace SEA QB 74 112 66.1 28.0 645 5.8 161.2 3 2 34 30.4 39T 6 0 8 82.6
25 Jake Delhomme CAR QB 54 91 59.3 30.3 601 6.6 200.3 2 7 31 34.1 32 8 0 7 54.3
26 Byron Leftwich TB QB 58 107 54.2 35.7 594 5.6 198.0 4 3 27 25.2 47 7 2 2 71.2
27 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
28 JaMarcus Russell OAK QB 43 108 39.8 27.0 506 4.7 126.5 1 4 25 23.1 57T 4 1 8 42.4
29 Matt Cassel KC QB 53 89 59.6 29.7 458 5.1 152.7 5 2 24 27.0 43 4 1 10 82.5
30 Chad Pennington MIA QB 51 74 68.9 24.7 413 5.6 137.7 1 2 27 36.5 21 3 0 6 76.0
31 Brady Quinn CLE QB 45 74 60.8 24.7 400 5.4 133.3 1 3 21 28.4 26T 3 0 10 62.9
32 Derek Anderson CLE QB 37 67 55.2 33.5 361 5.4 180.5 1 4 20 29.9 30 5 0 3 50.7
33 Marc Bulger STL QB 35 68 51.5 22.7 339 5.0 113.0 1 0 17 25.0 45 2 1 5 70.6


Look at the names below our boy Hill. With the exception of Favre and Ryan, I wouldn't want to be listed anywhere near those chumps.

Who cares about passing yards. I'ts not like Shaun gets to call the plays. It's all about how well a QB can execute the plays that are called for him. Check the QB rate....

6 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 104 142 73.2 35.5 1,193 8.4 298.2 5 4 59 41.5 51 14 2 10 98.1
7 Kyle Orton DEN QB 69 117 59.0 29.2 906 7.7 226.5 5 0 38 32.5 87T 13 3 6 97.7
8 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 51 90 56.7 30.0 714 7.9 238.0 4 0 31 34.4 53 11 4 12 97.2
9 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
10 Joe Flacco BAL QB 95 151 62.9 37.8 1,103 7.3 275.8 8 3 66 43.7 72T 12 1 5 94.3
11 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
12 Philip Rivers SD QB 88 150 58.7 37.5 1,245 8.3 311.2 6 3 58 38.7 81T 16 4 10 90.6
13 Jay Cutler CHI QB 83 129 64.3 32.2 901 7.0 225.2 8 5 44 34.1 68 13 1 8 89.3
14 David Garrard JAC QB 82 138 59.4 34.5 941 6.8 235.2 5 1 42 30.4 34 10 0 7 89.1
15 Kevin Kolb PHI QB 62 96 64.6 32.0 741 7.7 247.0 4 3 31 32.3 71T 8 3 3 88.9

And, I don't give a flying f$(k about the rating when I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW FEW YARDS HE HAS THROWN.

700 yards in four games. People would $h!t themselves if the name on the back of the jersey were Smith.

I don't know what you guys want out of the guy. Big numbers? Has he even been in a situation this year to need big numbers? Maybe Minn or Arizona. With Seattle and St. Louis, the defense played so well, he wasn't called on to do anything.

You guys are basically blaming his stats on something he has not had the opportunity to compete for. He has not needed to have a big yet thus far, so how can you blame the guy? That is like saying "I want a divorce because i THINK you are cheating." with no substantial proof, your claim just makes you like an... well... you know...

Originally posted by Squirrel:

Originally posted by backontop:
I hate when people post stats like that. How in the heck am I supposed to read that. It looks like a jumbled mess of numbers.

The point wasn't about the numbers. It was about the company he's in. But, if you care about the numbers, Hill has passed for 700 yards in four games, averaging 175 yards a game. Like I said, people had a fit when Smith put up numbers like that. Hill puts those numbers up, and the people complaining about Smith say Hill is doing just fine.

Hypocrisy at it's best, no?

I agree with you 100% about the hypocracy. I just hate when people post stats like That I feel like I am looking at a damn word search without the list of words of wha to look at. I can care less about how many passing yards he has honestly. What I care about is winning games. Right now Hill isn't winning the games the defense is. Then again Hill isn't doing anything to lose the games either. I never had a problem with Smith's stats. A QB doesn't need to throw for 300+yards a game if they can win it with him only throwing 175. If Smith had this defense when he was the starter then I have a feeling he would still be the starter now.

To answer the thread title, I'm not happy with his performance, but it's tough to complain when we're winning so I'll leave it at that.

Originally posted by Squirrel:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Squirrel:
If these stats were posted by someone named Smith, half the Zone would be having kittens, claiming he is a bust and totally worthless. Yet, because Hill is putting up these numbers, people are happy. I just don't get it.

FYI, take a look at the bottom of the stats for passing yards:

22 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
23 Matt Ryan ATL QB 60 91 65.9 30.3 648 7.1 216.0 5 1 38 41.8 27 9 0 2 100.4
24 Seneca Wallace SEA QB 74 112 66.1 28.0 645 5.8 161.2 3 2 34 30.4 39T 6 0 8 82.6
25 Jake Delhomme CAR QB 54 91 59.3 30.3 601 6.6 200.3 2 7 31 34.1 32 8 0 7 54.3
26 Byron Leftwich TB QB 58 107 54.2 35.7 594 5.6 198.0 4 3 27 25.2 47 7 2 2 71.2
27 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
28 JaMarcus Russell OAK QB 43 108 39.8 27.0 506 4.7 126.5 1 4 25 23.1 57T 4 1 8 42.4
29 Matt Cassel KC QB 53 89 59.6 29.7 458 5.1 152.7 5 2 24 27.0 43 4 1 10 82.5
30 Chad Pennington MIA QB 51 74 68.9 24.7 413 5.6 137.7 1 2 27 36.5 21 3 0 6 76.0
31 Brady Quinn CLE QB 45 74 60.8 24.7 400 5.4 133.3 1 3 21 28.4 26T 3 0 10 62.9
32 Derek Anderson CLE QB 37 67 55.2 33.5 361 5.4 180.5 1 4 20 29.9 30 5 0 3 50.7
33 Marc Bulger STL QB 35 68 51.5 22.7 339 5.0 113.0 1 0 17 25.0 45 2 1 5 70.6


Look at the names below our boy Hill. With the exception of Favre and Ryan, I wouldn't want to be listed anywhere near those chumps.

Who cares about passing yards. I'ts not like Shaun gets to call the plays. It's all about how well a QB can execute the plays that are called for him. Check the QB rate....

6 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 104 142 73.2 35.5 1,193 8.4 298.2 5 4 59 41.5 51 14 2 10 98.1
7 Kyle Orton DEN QB 69 117 59.0 29.2 906 7.7 226.5 5 0 38 32.5 87T 13 3 6 97.7
8 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 51 90 56.7 30.0 714 7.9 238.0 4 0 31 34.4 53 11 4 12 97.2
9 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
10 Joe Flacco BAL QB 95 151 62.9 37.8 1,103 7.3 275.8 8 3 66 43.7 72T 12 1 5 94.3
11 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
12 Philip Rivers SD QB 88 150 58.7 37.5 1,245 8.3 311.2 6 3 58 38.7 81T 16 4 10 90.6
13 Jay Cutler CHI QB 83 129 64.3 32.2 901 7.0 225.2 8 5 44 34.1 68 13 1 8 89.3
14 David Garrard JAC QB 82 138 59.4 34.5 941 6.8 235.2 5 1 42 30.4 34 10 0 7 89.1
15 Kevin Kolb PHI QB 62 96 64.6 32.0 741 7.7 247.0 4 3 31 32.3 71T 8 3 3 88.9

And, I don't give a flying f$(k about the rating when I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW FEW YARDS HE HAS THROWN.

700 yards in four games. People would $h!t themselves if the name on the back of the jersey were Smith.

Ummm, yeah... Let it go man. Smith hasn't performed well enough to be our starter and Shaun has. So, relax and let it go.

My biggest problem is not so much his lack of yards, but his inability to convert on 3rd down. That has to improve if we hope to compete with the upper echelon of the NFL. The onus on that falls on Hill. I don’t care if it is 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 10; he is the one that should be making things happen. The good/great QBs have a tendency to do just that.

I also just have to say that I find it amusing as well the hypocrisy regarding Hill and Smith. Reality is that Hills numbers are not much better then Smiths in 06. I am not saying that Smith should be our starter nor am I hating on Hill, I am only pointing out that their production is very similar. The only thing that Hill does better so far is protecting the ball, though perhaps that is because he rarely goes down the field.

YUS!

Let's look at more interesting stats...

After 4 games, he ranks..
-roughly 14th in completion %
-roughly 22nd in pass attempts
-roughly 23rd in passing yards
-roughly 23rd in yards/attempt
-2nd in sacks (13 total)
-roughly 11th in QB rating
-roughly 9th in TDs
-roughly 6th in fewest INTs (only counting QB's with >50 attempts)

Besides his minimal attempts at throwing the ball, he basically ranks in the top ten QB's in the league. I do not know what else you guys could be so unhappy with especially considering his total passing yards are a direct result of his attempts.

If we took his average of 6.6 yards per attempt, and multiplied it by 150 attempts, that would give a total of 990 yards, placing him in the top ten ranks. What more could you ask for?

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by 9ermj:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by 9ermj:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:
Damn what does Hill have to do to get some of your guys respect? Look, he did real crappy in the first half but got his s*it together in the second. Enough said the guy gets it done.

On to Atlanta.

There are a few posters on the webzone that will never like Hill.

I think we know who they are.

What?!? I don't think ANYONE here ever said they "hated" the guy.

At risk of speaking for others, I just realize what he is. And THAT is not a good thing. What is the point of both Hill and Morgan becoming better players LAST season only to be stunted by having a weak arm delivery service under Center? I think that if this is to be Smith's last season or Davis's future then THEY should be "game managing" under Center instead. At least they would have gotten a chance to prove themselves to either the team or future teams. But nope we have to be subjected to a season(or more) of a backup pretending to be a Starter. Sounds harsh, but then again reality is a harsh woman.

It's not about hating it's about LOGIC, and that seems to be missing around here alot lately.

~Ceadder

Exactly , heaven forbid logic should enter into the discussion , Hill is not good , he's not bad he just is , it's not hating , I'm not sure but I think Davis or Smith could make the throws that Hill is being asked to make , his stats for the day were barely better than Jamarcus Russell , come on people open your eyes , I know it's been a long time since the team has been fun to watch but the only thing missing for them to be really good is a QB

History and logic disagree with you on this one...

Maybe History would disagree with Smith , but at this point Davis has no history. Did you see that throw to Morgan if the Rams had anybody who could play corner that is a pick.Just so I'm clear with the logic of your argument any inconsistencies in Hill's game are a) The O Line's fault b) receivers suck c) Jimmy Raye just won't turn him loose so we can all witness the greatness that is Shaun Hill d) all of the above

Wow, when did I ever say "a) The O Line's fault b) receivers suck c) Jimmy Raye just won't turn him loose so we can all witness the greatness that is Shaun Hill d) all of the above?" Is your argument so weak that you have to start making s**t up? Looks like it!

Your logic fails because Davis is a rookie who looked decent in the preseason against 3's; but, struggled against 2's... The history on Smith shows us that he can't make those throws as good as Hill.

Fair enough , it wasn't you who said those things, after a while all the posts run together,but just take a look at the posts following and see the cascade of excuses begin. Look I just don't think Hill is any kind of long term solution , I think the team could be down right scary if ANYONE was concerned about Hill beating them. A win is a win as they say and I'd take that over the crap we've seen the last 5-6 years regardless of who's QB

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by P-52ENFORCER:

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by B650:

Originally posted by redrathman:
Of the two players below, which would you rather have Quarterbacking the 49ers?

Player A - 2 Wins, 1 Loss - 50 of 75 (66.6%), 3 TD, 1 INT, 705 Yards
Player B - 2 Wins, 1 Loss - 52 of 82 (63.4%), 3 TD, 1 INT, 548 Yards

Answer: JT O'Sullivan played incredible well through three games last year. I'm not comparing Hill to O'Sullivan, but it's far too early to judge Hill.

The QB who played the best, regardless of stats. If the 1st QB's INT cost us the game, but he threw for 705 yards, while the INT by the QB who only had 548 yards was just a dropped ball in the 1st quarter, for example, I might go with the 2nd QB.

the difference is the 3rd game of the first 3. they both played the cards and seahawks, but hill had to play arguably the best D in the league in his 3rd game. JT? he played the 0-16 lions.

and it's not like this is hills first 3 games. he has already proven to be a consistent winner. somehow there's always an excuse as to WHY he won the game, but he just keeps winning.

You can't call FACTS excuses.

These are two facts of our season record to date.

1)The Defense.

2)Frank's 2 scores

Oh and guess what fact one actually bites Hill in the keester. The Defense didn't take the game over like they did the 1st two games. Coupled with bad officiating Hill couldn't overcome it. So we lost. Granted it was last minute but if Sing is spot on(I have to believe that he is) about Hill's ability to audible when he needs to, then it's time to find another excuse as to why Hill ain't getting it done.

You might look "Fact" up in the dictionary btw.

~Ceadder

What do you mean by not getting it done? We were down, he drove down the field and scored a TD. At that point the game was completely taken out of his hand. Or are you suggesting that when Sing and Reye say "run down the middle to run the time" Hill is allowed to Audible to a pass play??? I'm pretty sure that's not an audible situation.

So you're telling us that he IS getting it done?

What about all the damn 3 and OUTS?!? You're telling us that it's the fault of the coaches?

Now granted I think that we should run a bit less but the play calls are just about 50/50 difference. No way that is the fault of the coaching staff in any way shape or form. It's balanced. Shaun just can't hit the broad side of a barn when he throws deep and that is NOT a good thing.

Oh and that pass to Davis in the end zone? You don't throw that s4/t against teams that have a solid DB corps. That will come back to bite us in the bum in hardcore fashion.

We got away with yet another in a long line of oops. It's crazy how people can continue to believe that he's playing well. He's not. He's just the luckiest sumbeyotch I've seen in a long time. I've got a mind to ask him to buy my lottery tix from now on.

We're winning. Great. But it's not cause of Hill. We're winning in spite of the guy. It's high time that people drop the hate and discontent towards Smith and just look at HILL as QB1. No way you can HONESTLY with a straight face, tell me that his play is better than any QB we have on the roster. Luckier? Yes. Better? No.

~Ceadder

Hahahahahah is this guy serious?

The sad thing is that he is serious .

Oh well, let the haters hate .

Who's hating? I'm DISPLEASED with all the damn 3 and outs. You fix that with a QB change more often than not. I don't give a rats furry @$$ who the QB is so long as he can do the F'N job. So far Hill has ridden the coattails of the Defense and the 2 scores by Gore. Otherwise instead of 2-1, we'd be 0-3 on the season.

Funny how people literally TRASH Smith and call themselves realistic fans. But when people criticize Hill, they're haters. Nevermind that NOBODY(to my knowledge) who has criticized the man, has evenmade a derogatory remark at his expense.

It's nice to know that hypocrisy is alive and well on the Zone.

~Ceadder

Don't get your panties in a bunch sweetheart. I just call em how I see em.

We're winning games, and this team is leaps and bounds above anything we've seen in years and all you guys can do is b*tch about it. I firmly beleive y'all would b*tch about not having anything to b*tch about. It's no wonder we're called the forty whiners with fans like y'all. Give it a rest and enjoy the wins. WTF!

[ Edited by P-52ENFORCER on Oct 5, 2009 at 14:39:33 ]

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Squirrel:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Squirrel:
If these stats were posted by someone named Smith, half the Zone would be having kittens, claiming he is a bust and totally worthless. Yet, because Hill is putting up these numbers, people are happy. I just don't get it.

FYI, take a look at the bottom of the stats for passing yards:

22 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
23 Matt Ryan ATL QB 60 91 65.9 30.3 648 7.1 216.0 5 1 38 41.8 27 9 0 2 100.4
24 Seneca Wallace SEA QB 74 112 66.1 28.0 645 5.8 161.2 3 2 34 30.4 39T 6 0 8 82.6
25 Jake Delhomme CAR QB 54 91 59.3 30.3 601 6.6 200.3 2 7 31 34.1 32 8 0 7 54.3
26 Byron Leftwich TB QB 58 107 54.2 35.7 594 5.6 198.0 4 3 27 25.2 47 7 2 2 71.2
27 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
28 JaMarcus Russell OAK QB 43 108 39.8 27.0 506 4.7 126.5 1 4 25 23.1 57T 4 1 8 42.4
29 Matt Cassel KC QB 53 89 59.6 29.7 458 5.1 152.7 5 2 24 27.0 43 4 1 10 82.5
30 Chad Pennington MIA QB 51 74 68.9 24.7 413 5.6 137.7 1 2 27 36.5 21 3 0 6 76.0
31 Brady Quinn CLE QB 45 74 60.8 24.7 400 5.4 133.3 1 3 21 28.4 26T 3 0 10 62.9
32 Derek Anderson CLE QB 37 67 55.2 33.5 361 5.4 180.5 1 4 20 29.9 30 5 0 3 50.7
33 Marc Bulger STL QB 35 68 51.5 22.7 339 5.0 113.0 1 0 17 25.0 45 2 1 5 70.6


Look at the names below our boy Hill. With the exception of Favre and Ryan, I wouldn't want to be listed anywhere near those chumps.

Who cares about passing yards. I'ts not like Shaun gets to call the plays. It's all about how well a QB can execute the plays that are called for him. Check the QB rate....

6 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 104 142 73.2 35.5 1,193 8.4 298.2 5 4 59 41.5 51 14 2 10 98.1
7 Kyle Orton DEN QB 69 117 59.0 29.2 906 7.7 226.5 5 0 38 32.5 87T 13 3 6 97.7
8 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 51 90 56.7 30.0 714 7.9 238.0 4 0 31 34.4 53 11 4 12 97.2
9 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
10 Joe Flacco BAL QB 95 151 62.9 37.8 1,103 7.3 275.8 8 3 66 43.7 72T 12 1 5 94.3
11 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
12 Philip Rivers SD QB 88 150 58.7 37.5 1,245 8.3 311.2 6 3 58 38.7 81T 16 4 10 90.6
13 Jay Cutler CHI QB 83 129 64.3 32.2 901 7.0 225.2 8 5 44 34.1 68 13 1 8 89.3
14 David Garrard JAC QB 82 138 59.4 34.5 941 6.8 235.2 5 1 42 30.4 34 10 0 7 89.1
15 Kevin Kolb PHI QB 62 96 64.6 32.0 741 7.7 247.0 4 3 31 32.3 71T 8 3 3 88.9

And, I don't give a flying f$(k about the rating when I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW FEW YARDS HE HAS THROWN.

700 yards in four games. People would $h!t themselves if the name on the back of the jersey were Smith.

Ummm, yeah... Let it go man. Smith hasn't performed well enough to be our starter and Shaun has. So, relax and let it go.

^^^^

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Squirrel:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Squirrel:
If these stats were posted by someone named Smith, half the Zone would be having kittens, claiming he is a bust and totally worthless. Yet, because Hill is putting up these numbers, people are happy. I just don't get it.

FYI, take a look at the bottom of the stats for passing yards:

22 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
23 Matt Ryan ATL QB 60 91 65.9 30.3 648 7.1 216.0 5 1 38 41.8 27 9 0 2 100.4
24 Seneca Wallace SEA QB 74 112 66.1 28.0 645 5.8 161.2 3 2 34 30.4 39T 6 0 8 82.6
25 Jake Delhomme CAR QB 54 91 59.3 30.3 601 6.6 200.3 2 7 31 34.1 32 8 0 7 54.3
26 Byron Leftwich TB QB 58 107 54.2 35.7 594 5.6 198.0 4 3 27 25.2 47 7 2 2 71.2
27 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
28 JaMarcus Russell OAK QB 43 108 39.8 27.0 506 4.7 126.5 1 4 25 23.1 57T 4 1 8 42.4
29 Matt Cassel KC QB 53 89 59.6 29.7 458 5.1 152.7 5 2 24 27.0 43 4 1 10 82.5
30 Chad Pennington MIA QB 51 74 68.9 24.7 413 5.6 137.7 1 2 27 36.5 21 3 0 6 76.0
31 Brady Quinn CLE QB 45 74 60.8 24.7 400 5.4 133.3 1 3 21 28.4 26T 3 0 10 62.9
32 Derek Anderson CLE QB 37 67 55.2 33.5 361 5.4 180.5 1 4 20 29.9 30 5 0 3 50.7
33 Marc Bulger STL QB 35 68 51.5 22.7 339 5.0 113.0 1 0 17 25.0 45 2 1 5 70.6


Look at the names below our boy Hill. With the exception of Favre and Ryan, I wouldn't want to be listed anywhere near those chumps.

Who cares about passing yards. I'ts not like Shaun gets to call the plays. It's all about how well a QB can execute the plays that are called for him. Check the QB rate....

6 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 104 142 73.2 35.5 1,193 8.4 298.2 5 4 59 41.5 51 14 2 10 98.1
7 Kyle Orton DEN QB 69 117 59.0 29.2 906 7.7 226.5 5 0 38 32.5 87T 13 3 6 97.7
8 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 51 90 56.7 30.0 714 7.9 238.0 4 0 31 34.4 53 11 4 12 97.2
9 Brett Favre MIN QB 61 94 64.9 31.3 566 6.0 188.7 5 1 30 31.9 36 5 0 9 94.5
10 Joe Flacco BAL QB 95 151 62.9 37.8 1,103 7.3 275.8 8 3 66 43.7 72T 12 1 5 94.3
11 Shaun Hill SF QB 66 106 62.3 26.5 700 6.6 175.0 5 1 32 30.2 50 7 1 13 93.3
12 Philip Rivers SD QB 88 150 58.7 37.5 1,245 8.3 311.2 6 3 58 38.7 81T 16 4 10 90.6
13 Jay Cutler CHI QB 83 129 64.3 32.2 901 7.0 225.2 8 5 44 34.1 68 13 1 8 89.3
14 David Garrard JAC QB 82 138 59.4 34.5 941 6.8 235.2 5 1 42 30.4 34 10 0 7 89.1
15 Kevin Kolb PHI QB 62 96 64.6 32.0 741 7.7 247.0 4 3 31 32.3 71T 8 3 3 88.9

And, I don't give a flying f$(k about the rating when I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW FEW YARDS HE HAS THROWN.

700 yards in four games. People would $h!t themselves if the name on the back of the jersey were Smith.

Ummm, yeah... Let it go man. Smith hasn't performed well enough to be our starter and Shaun has. So, relax and let it go.

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Originally posted by Squirrel:

Originally posted by backontop:
I hate when people post stats like that. How in the heck am I supposed to read that. It looks like a jumbled mess of numbers.

The point wasn't about the numbers. It was about the company he's in. But, if you care about the numbers, Hill has passed for 700 yards in four games, averaging 175 yards a game. Like I said, people had a fit when Smith put up numbers like that. Hill puts those numbers up, and the people complaining about Smith say Hill is doing just fine.

Hypocrisy at it's best, no?

Hypocrisy? Are you serious?

Instead of looking at the yardage, take a look at some of the other statistical categories that have far more relevance (especially considering we're a run heavy offense).

Those categories would be:

INT'S: Hill has one. Smith had 16 in his last full season as a starter and has numerous games with multiple INT's.

TD's- Hill hasn't tossed a bunch but they've been enough.

Completion %- Hill is better

Fumbles Hill is better

HOW ABOUT THIS ONE: WINS- Shaun Hill beats the hell out of Smith here. And for that reason alone is why he is better.

Look I could go on and on. All you guys who wanna bang Smith in the backside will consistently turn down solid evidence that proves Hill is better. Hill is certainly no gem of a QB and he has some definite limitations. But the bottomline is that he's the best we've got and he's far better than Smith.

Get it through your head.

Everyone else has.