Espn just on--Regular Season Record

Originally posted by Moonshae_D:

Originally posted by alanbeez22:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Just watching ESPN and heres what they said,

1. Our division was the worst in the NFL and our teams struggled mightily outside the division. Best part of the division, Arizona made it to the Super Bowl.

2. More than 9 wins by Arizona, Seattle wins more than 7 and they, if not Arizona will win the division. Rams no more than 5 wins

3. 7 or less wins for us from Jaws and Gruden,

Jaws: 7 is just the right number, Frank will get the running game goin and pound the football, but the inability to get the explosive plays from the QB will hurt us.

Gruden said: We have a ton of first rounders that really havent come in San Fran and played good in recent years. WE need to see more of Kentwan Balmer, he said again thats why i think even less wins than 7 this year. (During his rant when he talked about first rounders, they showed Lawson, Davis, and Smith, and Balmer)

Speak on it, if a Mod doesnt close it, do you guys agree, regardless of bias's?

i could care less what they think. that's their opinion! and what's funny is alot of you will agree! you guys want to agree that we'll be a 7 win team? you guys are ridiculous! whats up with that niners? might as well call it a season and not even show up to the games. what's the point of watching if we think we're gonna lose most of our games? i look at it this way. Jon Gruden is out of a job for a reason. he prolly thought he would win with what he had but he was wrong. just like how i feel he's wrong for calling us a 7 win team. we have shaun hill starting for us who last year made us winners! and no body is giving us a chance especially our OWN FANS! the WEBZONERS are even calling us a 7 win team. wtf is wrong with you guys! i dunno about you but i'm pulling for us to win 16 games. and i expect 16 wins! not "well the analyst say we're 7 wins so i'll agree with them". I SEE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH OUR FANS!

i'm assuming you think we should win 7 games too then?

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
I heard some dude on some radio show say we will win the west, cool.

In such a mediocre and up in the air division, anybody can win it. Well, maybe not the Rams, but stranger things have happened.

Uuuhhh OK

I trust that dude too cause I think he's the guy related to that other guy who's on TV a lot.

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:

Originally posted by alanbeez22:
PRETTY UPSET WEBZONERS! NOT WITH WHAT SOMEONES OPINION IS... BUT THAT OUR OWN FANS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SHAUN HILL WAS 7-3 LAST YEAR AS OUR STARTER. WHY CAN'T YOU CLAIM HIM AS A WINNER?

How many of those wins were against legit teams? & by legit I mean playoff teams

Wins R Wins right? Well Imma wait & C. Time reveals all.

i understand people saying i'm overreacting by saying we should win 16 games... i mean for all it matters it could happen! but to be stuck on 7 wins is bogus. and to agree with a persons opinion just cause they're on tv actually means something. just like back when nolan was coach everyone was saying we'd make the playoffs right? then people were all happy back then cause they agree'd. webzoners i'd be mad if anyone lowballed us from the media. but for you guys to agree upsets me! say i'm overreacting. i guess i just have better standards then you guys!

Originally posted by alanbeez22:
PRETTY UPSET WEBZONERS! NOT WITH WHAT SOMEONES OPINION IS... BUT THAT OUR OWN FANS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SHAUN HILL WAS 7-3 LAST YEAR AS OUR STARTER. WHY CAN'T YOU CLAIM HIM AS A WINNER?

You must have had a big sip of the Koolaid. There is being a fan, and then there is being a fanatic. A fan can actually process that something isn't altogether right within the kingdom.

In the 80 and early 90s we had talented FAs begging to hitch their wagon's to the 49ers. Can you tell me the last time someone wanted to do that?

Ask yourself why?

- We consider it a good thing when we have a "competent" game manager at qb,
who just doesn't give the game away. That's a success?

- We don't have any true 1 WRs. Yes, we have an old "former" all pro. That's
right we have Morgan, but our qb can't "shotput" the ball far enough with
accuracy.

- Our O-line is good at run blocking, but can't seem to keep defenses away from
our qb long enough to throw a longer pass.

- Our defense prides itself on allowing opposing QBs lunch break on obvious pass
patterns.

- Our offensive game plan is great for consuming time off the clock, and our best
offensive weapon appears to be our place kicker. Our offensive game plan is
equivalent to the Saints of the late 80s. Hey 3 points is good.

- We are all abuzz about a DE that is very fast (Ice) but never seems to get to the
QB on time. Now apparently we will have to blitz to get any pass rush.

- Our most valuable player over the past couple of years is a punter, because he
hasn't "f***ed" up that often.

Yes, we hired coach "nutcracker", but if your offense can't stay on the field, your
defense is going to be worn out.

Oh, and I just touched on some of our division rivals. We play two games against
a division foe that probably has one of the most prolific passing games seen in
recent years. Guess what, they just added a quality running back to go with that.
Mr. Warner's going to get fat "having all that time to each lunch".

Another of our division foes has a stout defense that's pretty good at stopping the
run.

Then we get to play the AFC South, and the NFC North. Let's see who's in these
divisions:

Indy Colts - Hmm, Peyton Manning, Wayne, Gonzalez, and a couple of RBs.
But....all their defense has is Bob Sanders you say. Who needs
a defense when you've got Peyton Manning and his offensive cast,
against a non-existant pash rush

Jaguars - They were bad last year, but they made improvements.

Titans - But, NVNinerfan they lost Haynesworth. Right, keep thinking that
way.

Texans - They only have the 2nd best receiver (Johnson), a good tight end
(Daniels) and a pretty good RB (Slaton). Let's forget about
them.


Packers - Well there rebuilding their defense (3-4). Sorry, it appears they
only start this, but are about 3 to 4 years ahead of us. Offense,
they actually have a qb that can throw deep.

Bears - Oh, heck Cutler's not that good, and their defense is getting old.
Right.

Vikings - Hey didn't that old qb sign with them? Hey we beat him last year.
But....the jets didn't have AP, Taylor, Berrien and a TE that can get
open and catch the ball. Oh, and should we talk about the Williams
and their defense. Oh, you mean the best run defense in the NFL?

Lions - Finally God smiles on us. Not so fast, there may be some suprises.

Yup, I just see us going 10-6 all day.

[ Edited by nvninerfan1 on Sep 1, 2009 at 11:46:40 ]

Originally posted by alanbeez22:

Originally posted by Moonshae_D:

Originally posted by alanbeez22:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Just watching ESPN and heres what they said,

1. Our division was the worst in the NFL and our teams struggled mightily outside the division. Best part of the division, Arizona made it to the Super Bowl.

2. More than 9 wins by Arizona, Seattle wins more than 7 and they, if not Arizona will win the division. Rams no more than 5 wins

3. 7 or less wins for us from Jaws and Gruden,

Jaws: 7 is just the right number, Frank will get the running game goin and pound the football, but the inability to get the explosive plays from the QB will hurt us.

Gruden said: We have a ton of first rounders that really havent come in San Fran and played good in recent years. WE need to see more of Kentwan Balmer, he said again thats why i think even less wins than 7 this year. (During his rant when he talked about first rounders, they showed Lawson, Davis, and Smith, and Balmer)

Speak on it, if a Mod doesnt close it, do you guys agree, regardless of bias's?

i could care less what they think. that's their opinion! and what's funny is alot of you will agree! you guys want to agree that we'll be a 7 win team? you guys are ridiculous! whats up with that niners? might as well call it a season and not even show up to the games. what's the point of watching if we think we're gonna lose most of our games? i look at it this way. Jon Gruden is out of a job for a reason. he prolly thought he would win with what he had but he was wrong. just like how i feel he's wrong for calling us a 7 win team. we have shaun hill starting for us who last year made us winners! and no body is giving us a chance especially our OWN FANS! the WEBZONERS are even calling us a 7 win team. wtf is wrong with you guys! i dunno about you but i'm pulling for us to win 16 games. and i expect 16 wins! not "well the analyst say we're 7 wins so i'll agree with them". I SEE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH OUR FANS!

i'm assuming you think we should win 7 games too then?

Nope. Just that you over-react. And assume.

Originally posted by Moonshae_D:

Originally posted by alanbeez22:

Originally posted by Moonshae_D:

Originally posted by alanbeez22:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Just watching ESPN and heres what they said,

1. Our division was the worst in the NFL and our teams struggled mightily outside the division. Best part of the division, Arizona made it to the Super Bowl.

2. More than 9 wins by Arizona, Seattle wins more than 7 and they, if not Arizona will win the division. Rams no more than 5 wins

3. 7 or less wins for us from Jaws and Gruden,

Jaws: 7 is just the right number, Frank will get the running game goin and pound the football, but the inability to get the explosive plays from the QB will hurt us.

Gruden said: We have a ton of first rounders that really havent come in San Fran and played good in recent years. WE need to see more of Kentwan Balmer, he said again thats why i think even less wins than 7 this year. (During his rant when he talked about first rounders, they showed Lawson, Davis, and Smith, and Balmer)

Speak on it, if a Mod doesnt close it, do you guys agree, regardless of bias's?

i could care less what they think. that's their opinion! and what's funny is alot of you will agree! you guys want to agree that we'll be a 7 win team? you guys are ridiculous! whats up with that niners? might as well call it a season and not even show up to the games. what's the point of watching if we think we're gonna lose most of our games? i look at it this way. Jon Gruden is out of a job for a reason. he prolly thought he would win with what he had but he was wrong. just like how i feel he's wrong for calling us a 7 win team. we have shaun hill starting for us who last year made us winners! and no body is giving us a chance especially our OWN FANS! the WEBZONERS are even calling us a 7 win team. wtf is wrong with you guys! i dunno about you but i'm pulling for us to win 16 games. and i expect 16 wins! not "well the analyst say we're 7 wins so i'll agree with them". I SEE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH OUR FANS!

i'm assuming you think we should win 7 games too then?

Nope. Just that you over-react. And assume.

why you hating for? or putting names on people? so i could agree with you on a 7 win season. get real man. i'm saying if we were a 7 win team i wouldn't waste my 80 dollars to go watch them lose! optimism is what you guys need instead of listening to some coach that has no job... especially coming from a coach that was a raider.

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:

Originally posted by alanbeez22:
PRETTY UPSET WEBZONERS! NOT WITH WHAT SOMEONES OPINION IS... BUT THAT OUR OWN FANS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SHAUN HILL WAS 7-3 LAST YEAR AS OUR STARTER. WHY CAN'T YOU CLAIM HIM AS A WINNER?

You must have had a big sip of the Koolaid. There is being a fan, and then there is being a fanatic. A fan can actually process that something isn't altogether right within the kingdom.

In the 80 and early 90s we had talented FAs begging to hitch their wagon's to the 49ers. Can you tell me the last time someone wanted to do that?

Ask yourself why?

- We consider it a good thing when we have a "competent" game manager at qb,
who just doesn't give the game away. That's a success?

- We don't have any true 1 WRs. Yes, we have an old "former" all pro. That's
right we have Morgan, but our qb can't "shotput" the ball far enough with
accuracy.

- Our O-line is good at run blocking, but can't seem to keep defenses away from
our qb long enough to throw a longer pass.

- Our defense prides itself on allowing opposing QBs lunch break on obvious pass
patterns.

- Our offensive game plan is great for consuming time off the clock, and our best
offensive weapon appears to be our place kicker. Our offensive game plan is
equivalent to the Saints of the late 80s. Hey 3 points is good.

- We are all abuzz about a DE that is very fast (Ice) but never seems to get to the
QB on time. Now apparently we will have to blitz to get any pass rush.

- Our most valuable player over the past couple of years is a punter, because he
hasn't "f***ed" up that often.

Yes, we hired coach "nutcracker", but if your offense can't stay on the field, your
defense is going to be worn out.

Oh, and I just touched on some of our division rivals. We play to games against
a division foe that probably has one of the most prolific passing games seen in
recent years. Guess what, they just added a quality running back to go with that.
Mr. Warner's going to get fat "having all that time to each lunch".

Another of our division foes has a stout defense that's pretty good at stopping the
run.

Then we get to play the AFC South, and the NFC North. Let's see who's in these
divisions:

Indy Colts - Hmm, Peyton Manning, Wayne, Gonzalez, and a couple of RBs.
But....all their defense has is Bob Sanders you say. Who needs
a defense when you've got Peyton Manning and his offensive cast,
against a non-existant pash rush

Jaguars - They were bad last year, but they made improvements.

Titans - But, NVNinerfan they lost Haynesworth. Right, keep thinking that
way.

Texans - They only have the 2nd best receiver (Johnson), a good tight end
(Daniels) and a pretty good RB (Slaton). Let's forget about
them.


Packers - Well there rebuilding their defense (3-4). Sorry, it appears they
only start this, but are about 3 to 4 years ahead of us. Offense,
they actually have a qb that can throw deep.

Bears - Oh, heck Cutler's not that good, and their defense is getting old.
Right.

Vikings - Hey didn't that old qb sign with them? Hey we beat him last year.
But....the jets didn't have AP, Taylor, Berrien and a TE that can get
open and catch the ball. Oh, and should we talk about the Williams
and their defense. Oh, you mean the best run defense in the NFL?

Lions - Finally God smiles on us. Not so fast, there may be some suprises.

Yup, I just see us going 10-6 all day.

i'd rather here a 10-6 instead of 7-9. but i guess 7-9 is ok with you guys!

No 7-9 is not okay. And by the way I didn't say we'd be 10-6.

I'll break it down for you. In our division I think we could go 2 and 4.

Against NFC North, I say 1-3 (Thanks Lions)

Against AFC South, maybe 2-2 (at best)

I'm winging this, but think our other two games are against Philly and
Dallas. If we split them (and I think we would be hard pressed to do so)
that means we go 6-10.

Fan, you bet. Realistic, yes.

[ Edited by nvninerfan1 on Sep 1, 2009 at 11:54:21 ]

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
No 7-9 is not okay. And by the way I didn't say we'd be 10-6.

I'll break it down for you. In our division I think we could go 2 and 4.

Against NFC North, I say 1-3 (Thanks Lions)

Against AFC South, maybe 2-2 (at best)

I'm winging this, but think our other two games are against Philly and
Dallas. If we split them (and I think we would be hard pressed to do so)
that means we go 6-10.

Fan, you bet. Realistic, yes.

i just hope we have a record that gets into the post season. and i'm not agreeing with the people saying ya we're a 7 win team. cause i don't wanna see our team ending the season in december.

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
No 7-9 is not okay. And by the way I didn't say we'd be 10-6.

I'll break it down for you. In our division I think we could go 2 and 4.

Against NFC North, I say 1-3 (Thanks Lions)

Against AFC South, maybe 2-2 (at best)

I'm winging this, but think our other two games are against Philly and
Dallas. If we split them (and I think we would be hard pressed to do so)
that means we go 6-10.

Fan, you bet. Realistic, yes.

No, they are against Philly and Atlanta.

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:

Originally posted by alanbeez22:
PRETTY UPSET WEBZONERS! NOT WITH WHAT SOMEONES OPINION IS... BUT THAT OUR OWN FANS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SHAUN HILL WAS 7-3 LAST YEAR AS OUR STARTER. WHY CAN'T YOU CLAIM HIM AS A WINNER?

You must have had a big sip of the Koolaid. There is being a fan, and then there is being a fanatic. A fan can actually process that something isn't altogether right within the kingdom.

In the 80 and early 90s we had talented FAs begging to hitch their wagon's to the 49ers. Can you tell me the last time someone wanted to do that?

Ask yourself why?

- We consider it a good thing when we have a "competent" game manager at qb,
who just doesn't give the game away. That's a success?

- We don't have any true 1 WRs. Yes, we have an old "former" all pro. That's
right we have Morgan, but our qb can't "shotput" the ball far enough with
accuracy.

- Our O-line is good at run blocking, but can't seem to keep defenses away from
our qb long enough to throw a longer pass.

- Our defense prides itself on allowing opposing QBs lunch break on obvious pass
patterns.

- Our offensive game plan is great for consuming time off the clock, and our best
offensive weapon appears to be our place kicker. Our offensive game plan is
equivalent to the Saints of the late 80s. Hey 3 points is good.

- We are all abuzz about a DE that is very fast (Ice) but never seems to get to the
QB on time. Now apparently we will have to blitz to get any pass rush.

- Our most valuable player over the past couple of years is a punter, because he
hasn't "f***ed" up that often.

Yes, we hired coach "nutcracker", but if your offense can't stay on the field, your
defense is going to be worn out.

Oh, and I just touched on some of our division rivals. We play to games against
a division foe that probably has one of the most prolific passing games seen in
recent years. Guess what, they just added a quality running back to go with that.
Mr. Warner's going to get fat "having all that time to each lunch".

Another of our division foes has a stout defense that's pretty good at stopping the
run.

Then we get to play the AFC South, and the NFC North. Let's see who's in these
divisions:

Indy Colts - Hmm, Peyton Manning, Wayne, Gonzalez, and a couple of RBs.
But....all their defense has is Bob Sanders you say. Who needs
a defense when you've got Peyton Manning and his offensive cast,
against a non-existant pash rush

Jaguars - They were bad last year, but they made improvements.

Titans - But, NVNinerfan they lost Haynesworth. Right, keep thinking that
way.

Texans - They only have the 2nd best receiver (Johnson), a good tight end
(Daniels) and a pretty good RB (Slaton). Let's forget about
them.


Packers - Well there rebuilding their defense (3-4). Sorry, it appears they
only start this, but are about 3 to 4 years ahead of us. Offense,
they actually have a qb that can throw deep.

Bears - Oh, heck Cutler's not that good, and their defense is getting old.
Right.

Vikings - Hey didn't that old qb sign with them? Hey we beat him last year.
But....the jets didn't have AP, Taylor, Berrien and a TE that can get
open and catch the ball. Oh, and should we talk about the Williams
and their defense. Oh, you mean the best run defense in the NFL?

Lions - Finally God smiles on us. Not so fast, there may be some suprises.

Yup, I just see us going 10-6 all day.

Dude you are funny...

#1. The Chicago defense is getting old and while adapt at rushing the QB...they are having a horrible time against the run and have 2 CB's that are very banged up. Cutler has had just as much success in the win column as Alex Smith and just because he has a rocket arm means absolutely nothing if their receiving situation is 30 times worse than ours.

#2. Tennessee has still not improved their WR situation and while they are adept at running the football...they are pretty much a deadlock with what the 49ers are trying to do as a team.

#3. The Packers are a good team and they do have a QB who can throw it...but they also have issues on the offensive line and their defense in VERY much a work in progress outside of the secondary.

#4. The Vikings will be without Kevin and Pat Williams for the first 4 games of the season and if you think Berrian is anything close to a #1 besides being paid like it...you my friend are a tad delusional. BTW they alos lost their center fielder in Sharper and their pass rush is actually worse than that of the 49ers.

#5. Yeah the Texans do have a great WR, a good RB and a good TE. But their offensive line has never come together since they played their first NFL game...their secondary is terrible outside of Donta Robinson and Demeco Ryans is the only LB they have that makes an impact.

#6. What improvements have the Jaguars made??? They cut their 2nd best runner and never replaced him. Their pass rush is still an enigma. They also signed a "former" all pro (Holt) and it still doesnt make their WR situation any better. Their RT/LT situation is being placed in the hands of 2 rookies (but since they were drafted high that makes them impact players I guess to you). Overall they have not made ANY significant improvements and their coach is on the volcano seat.

#7. The Colts are having a littany of problems right now. Their defense has not improved...they are VERY concerned about Tony Ugoh right now for the long term. They do not have that potent 3rd WR that makes their offense so dangerous and besides Bob Sanders and Bethea their secondary is questionable at best.


You convienently left out that Beanie Wells is already proving his injury prone doubters correct. The Cardinals STILL have not solidified their offensive line and Warner is a year closer to 40.

The Seahawks will be without Walter Jones for I believe 4-6 weeks possibly unless his prognosis has gotten better. The rest of the offensive line is still a question mark and their defense is not any better than it was last year...which isnt saying a whole lot.

The Rams are rebuilding and thats that.


I mean you are hell bent on believing the 49ers arent worth a damn but you are leaving out all of the problems that teams on our schedule are having as well. The 49ers have made some decent improvments to the team but moreso in the stability aspect of the franchise than in the personnel. Sometimes that is really the only boost you need if you have the talent to compete on Sundays.

Maybe you should stop being so damn pessimistic and realize that about 75% of NFL teams have more than one question mark heading into the season.

I understand the last 5 years have made you weary but even you have to admit that the level of stability has risen and it is time to move forward with this team.

6-8 wins

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Absolutely. We are around a .500 team. A lucky break in a game or two is the difference between going 6-10 or 10-6 and anything in-between.

7-9 is not an insult, nor is it giving us the benefit of the doubt in the close ones.

And we have done nothing, on the field, or with any of our off season moves to earn any kind of credit yet.

We still can run and stop the run. We still can't convert or stop the other teams from converting on 3rd and long. No pass rush and no dynamic QB or playmakers means we will struggle against better teams and win or lose close ones against the rest of the league.

It's as simple as that. And until we prove otherwise, we shouldn't expect anyone else to assume differently.

Spot on, I'm just hoping we are blitz happy and learn to bump the WRs because that would make us a better team instantly. Of course that might not happen because we will probably be a field goal bend don't break defense that makes teams earn their points. Blitzing and bump & run can get us off the field on 3rd and longs but it can also give up big yardage plays and TDs. I think I am willing to take the chance with our pass rush.

Originally posted by alanbeez22:
PRETTY UPSET WEBZONERS! NOT WITH WHAT SOMEONES OPINION IS... BUT THAT OUR OWN FANS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SHAUN HILL WAS 7-3 LAST YEAR AS OUR STARTER. WHY CAN'T YOU CLAIM HIM AS A WINNER?

I completly agree, and i think we woulda been 8-8 if hill started against the eagles last year. remember the jto meltdown in the 4th qtr