Jerry Sullivan (WR Coach)

He came in here with a great reputation, but he hasn't done anything with the 49ers. Frankly, I think he has been a big disappointment.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
Going further & further down the line on position coaches to find blame for the 49ers losing seems overly petty. The buck stops with the head coach. He hires the coaching staff.

He brought in Rathman, our OC and QB coach. I think he's going to slowly replace some guys. Sullivan is living on his past reputation of developing some already freakishly talented receivers and that's it.

Assistants I would keep:
TE coach
RB coach
DB coach
DC coach
DL coach

Still in question:
Pass Rush coach
OL coach
QB coach
OC
LB coach

Need to be fired:
WR coach

Why is Scott not being questioned on the fact that the WR position is not producing? Read my above posts.....However some of that falls back to Nolan as well when he was GM. But Scott had Limas Sweed rated higher than Eddie Royal, Desean Jackson and Donnie Avery (based off of the fact that Martz was asked who he wanted the OL in Rachal or the WR in Sweed). Martz obviously made the right call.

Brandon Freaking Lloyd had a career year under Sully. The only other talent they have brought in (outside of MC) is Antonio Bryant who was a head case. Everyone else was either picked from the 3rd round on which if you note my above post in like looking for a needle in a haystack or WR's who are past their prime (Bruce although he did have a solid year for his age, Conway, Morton, DJack who was on his downside obviously). Oh and we brought in Ashley Lelie who spent most of his time nursing his hammy or quad) and has failed to catch on or produce elsewhere.

If you want good production at WR you have to bring in some talent and not rely on a bunch of past there primes, journeymen and late round picks.

We can also put some blame on the lack of WR production on the OL and it's inability to keep the QB upright and the lack of a decent option at QB.

Sully however does not belong at the top of the list of position coaches to be fired.

That was Lloyd's 3rd year where just about almost any 3rd year receiver could have produced 700 yards. I'm talking about rookie players. Even the Eagles who cut Basket or whatever known draft pick got some decent production out of him in regular season his rookie year. We refuse to do even that.

I'm not expecting a worldbeater, just SOME decent production out of a rookie in spots.

I think Sully is getting in the way of these guys getting a chance to at least try to see if they can make a 15 yard catch per game.

That's a bit far fetched. But WR's usually begin to come into their own in year 3.

Baskett had 22 and 16 catches respectively his first 2 years. He was the #4 receiver his rookie year (behind Brown, Stallworth & Lewis) and his production can also be attributed to Andy Reid's pass 60% of the time and use of multiple receiver sets more often than we have employed. The Eagles also have had a QB who can make reads and an OL who kept their QB clean compared to what we have going on here. We have had a hard time employing multiple receiver formations because
we have had to keep extra men in to help block. Kwame Harris required help, Jonas Jennings couldn't stay healthy so we had a few different players occupy the LT spot.

Again look at the rookie WR's we brought in and where they are now. None are cracking other teams rosters.

Josh Morgan is tired from the rigors of training camp but was given chances as a rookie. Jason Hill saw little ot no time as a rookie due to hammy and groin injuries. Last year he finally saw some action and showed some flashes however I can understand why Battle is above him on the depth chart, Battle is a better blocker (we want to be a run 1st team) and Battle has proven to be clutch. What we don't know about Hill is what went on in TC and practices that led Spurlock to be ahead of him on the depth chart.

Originally posted by fzrdave:
He came in here with a great reputation, but he hasn't done anything with the 49ers. Frankly, I think he has been a big disappointment.

Points are being made, if you care to refute them feel free however your claim doesn't show much in way of why ?

In short: Sully feels the same way about whoever the qb scout evaluater is on our team as you do about him!

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
Going further & further down the line on position coaches to find blame for the 49ers losing seems overly petty. The buck stops with the head coach. He hires the coaching staff.

He brought in Rathman, our OC and QB coach. I think he's going to slowly replace some guys. Sullivan is living on his past reputation of developing some already freakishly talented receivers and that's it.

Assistants I would keep:
TE coach
RB coach
DB coach
DC coach
DL coach

Still in question:
Pass Rush coach
OL coach
QB coach
OC
WR coach
LB coach

I am not going to argue for or against a position coach, I just don't know. But I do wonder if fans who are pissed about WR development are really technical enough, and watch practices to know if issues are due to either bad position coach, or player talent not being as good as they would like to see, despite players getting good coaching.

I would think only an insider would have the knowledge to know what the real deal is.

I don't know. To Martz, Hill had no fundamentals what-so-ever. Does that mean he can't play QB well? I think it's different with young players. Some personalities in coaching refuse to give a guy a chance because of that coach's ego in the player doing what he says to the tee or esle no playing time or a negative report to the HC.

So many teams actually "try" to put these guys in and use maybe one skill they have. We rarely even try that, especially with our receivers unless they show an abundance of skill like Morgan. Look at Jason Hill. He has come through when it counts but still seems to be in a doghouse.

So far, the one position that we cannot seem to develop at is WR. We have OL and other positions developing and contributing except for receiver.

Confidence, more than anything else, does wonders for a player. So, put them in for a play, give them the ball and let them build if they have success. Much better than them sitting and getting yelled at all the time because one foot is half a yard less than where it should be.

You make some good points that make me wonder about a bigger picture thing...could it be that years of defense specialist head coaches have an influence on the offense stagnation? A guy like Walsh could see in practice the minutia that may be wrong with a player, or how a guy could be utilized well in the offense despite his flaws. Could Nolan? Can Singletary do this? Does even offensive guy Jimmy Raye have the ability? Things that make you go hmmmm.

I remember just reading somewhere where Collingsworth quoting someone else stated that receivers have to be the 2nd smartest player on the field next to the quarterback.

Yeah...we have some dumbass receivers playing for us save for Bruce and oft injured Battle.

Case in point, Josh Morgan, who needed an assistant assigned to him, even actually shadowing him during routes to let him know where to go and what to do when he sees this coverage or that.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
I remember just reading somewhere where Collingsworth quoting someone else stated that receivers have to be the 2nd smartest player on the field next to the quarterback.

Yeah...we have some dumbass receivers playing for us save for Bruce and oft injured Battle.

Case in point, Josh Morgan, who needed an assistant assigned to him, even actually shadowing him during routes to let him know where to go and what to do when he sees this coverage or that.

Got a link?

-9fA

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
I remember just reading somewhere where Collingsworth quoting someone else stated that receivers have to be the 2nd smartest player on the field next to the quarterback.

Yeah...we have some dumbass receivers playing for us save for Bruce and oft injured Battle.

Case in point, Josh Morgan, who needed an assistant assigned to him, even actually shadowing him during routes to let him know where to go and what to do when he sees this coverage or that.

Got a link?

-9fA

Crabtree's curious route

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
I remember just reading somewhere where Collingsworth quoting someone else stated that receivers have to be the 2nd smartest player on the field next to the quarterback.

Yeah...we have some dumbass receivers playing for us save for Bruce and oft injured Battle.

Case in point, Josh Morgan, who needed an assistant assigned to him, even actually shadowing him during routes to let him know where to go and what to do when he sees this coverage or that.

Got a link?

-9fA

Crabtree's curious route

Wow didn't know that. Thanks for the article.

-9fA

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Why hasn't this guy taken any heat?? I thought this guy was a WR guru?? We haven't had a wideout sniff a thousand yards since he's come aboard. Player development is a huge problem for the 9ers. WR's development has been horrible! What's the deal?

Have you seen our Qb play over the past few seasons??? Look at Bryant for example. Almost hit a thousand yards here and gets another shot in TB and goes ballistic. Maybe when our QB and Oline play are up to par our WR's can shine

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
I remember just reading somewhere where Collingsworth quoting someone else stated that receivers have to be the 2nd smartest player on the field next to the quarterback.

Yeah...we have some dumbass receivers playing for us save for Bruce and oft injured Battle.

Case in point, Josh Morgan, who needed an assistant assigned to him, even actually shadowing him during routes to let him know where to go and what to do when he sees this coverage or that.

So rookie WR should come in and digest the playbook instantly and be instant studs. Its called practice for a reason and if any1 else needs a shadow then give it to them if it makes them produce. If anything this is a testament to Morgans intelligence because you don't get smarter by doing things the wrong way.

And as much as I don't like Crabtree right now he should accel in this area since he used to play QB. WRs that have played QB usually have a better understanding of routes and defenses

http://www.49ers.com/team/coaches/jerry-sullivan/6a4eafa5-867d-4e22-86eb-aa6a478d7371

When we going to get a new WR coach? Ever since we recruited this guy, our receivers have dropped more passes ever. He's going to turn our WR corps into the Seahawks receiving corps of the past because we keep dropping passes. He's coached for 18 years and only has two receivers to brag about.

We could replace him & the o-line coach & wouldn't hurt my feelings.

Originally posted by tohara3:
We could replace him & the o-line coach & wouldn't hurt my feelings.

Originally posted by Chico:
http://www.49ers.com/team/coaches/jerry-sullivan/6a4eafa5-867d-4e22-86eb-aa6a478d7371

When we going to get a new WR coach? Ever since we recruited this guy, our receivers have dropped more passes ever. He's going to turn our WR corps into the Seahawks receiving corps of the past because we keep dropping passes. He's coached for 18 years and only has two receivers to brag about.

I can't decide about him, is he a HAS been or a NEVER WAS! I would say he was washed up and the game has passed him by, but I'm not sure he was ever any good!