Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by picklejuice:
I might watch some Las Vegas games now. I want to see the difference between McDaniels and Kyle's offense.
This is all I want to see. Does he play better in the spread or was Kyle's offense really what was best for him in the end. Or did it even matter? LOL
Define "play better".
There's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy will have success throwing to Devante Adams, arguably the best WR in football. Jimmy's a good QB who's played for McDaniels.
I ask the question what's "play better" mean because for years people have used wins-losses to prove Jimmy's value.
What happens if Jimmy G's stats improve but the Raiders go 6-10?
It will interesting to watch those same posters who used to value winning, now value individual performance over winning… now that he's losing (hypothetically).
Another poster lining up the excuses already 
Yup it was pretty clear what was goin on there
Same crap they were doing before free agency began. Suddenly the bar was raised super high for Jimmy's contract, just so they could say "I told you so." Simply very odd behavior from a group that has tirelessly downplayed and ridiculed everything Jimmy has accomplished; and repeatedly said they can't wait for him to be gone so they don't have to talk about him anymore.
This W/L thing is beyond annoying. It is one of MANY data points that were used to argue Jimmy's worth. Now suddenly it's the only thing that matters; for both his contract and future with the Raiders. Hmm I wonder why they'd try to minimize Jimmy to only his W/L record, going to a crap organization like the Raiders?
For the life of me I will never understand why people would want to spend so much time hoping that a player does poorly, especially one that plays/played for their favorite team.
Furlow… you were just saying before Jimmy signed that you would understand if Jimmy didn't get much money due to him getting injured again this year, but the year before that when he was injured, and wasn't a FA, you bet me $100 Jimmy would be traded for a first round pick. Jimmy was considered injury prone then, and he's considered injury prone now. Nothing changed. Only your stance. 
Talk about excuses. Don't talk about backtracking Furlow unless you wanna finally own up to losing our bet.
Faithful6. You repeatedly used wins and losses to prop up Jimmy. Now you're acting like you haven't? Again, there's a reason everyone calls out your posts. You contradict yourself more than any poster on here. Don't talk to me about consistency.
Me? Ive repeatedly said that wins and losses don't tell you a thing about how great a QB is. Nothing. If you tell me player 1 won 75% of his games and player 2 won 45% of his games, you still have no idea who's the better player.
My stance on wins and losses has not changed and I'm not making excuses. I'm pointing out a future hypocrisy that we're all about to see. I don't even feel the need to respond to Furlow's comment because literally nothing he wrote applies to what I'm saying. Par for the course with that poster.
The bet we made was two 2nd rounders or more for Jimmy. But I did say I could see us getting a 1st. Of course, that was before his surgery in the off season. He had just completed the full 2021 season and taken the team to the NFCCG, so his value was higher than it was this past off-season, coming off an injury. Not sure why that's so hard for you guys to understand. The NFL is "what have you done for me lately." Geno Smith is a PERFECT example of this. As for our bet, he wasn't traded at all, so not sure how we could determine a winner. But I will gladly donate $100 to whatever charity you want, as that was our bet. You can PM me if you don't want to put it out here for everyone to see.
W/L record all by itself doesn't tell much of a story; the same is true of ANY singular stat. Some of you REALLY like air yards, but if you look at the yearly leaders, the ones at the top aren't necessarily the best QB's. The one stat that does have the best correlation to success as a QB (both statistically and team wins/losses) is QB rating. Strange that so many of you reject it though, especially when it comes to Jimmy.
And the "excuse" that you set up was that you wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy had an uptick in production playing for the Raiders "because now he has Devante Adams to throw to." As if the weapons in SF weren't equal to or better than the Raiders? I mean that's all we heard during Jimmy's time, "well he just throws screens to Niners WR's and they get YAC. So you're already setting up the excuse that "well it's because he has Devante Adams."
We don't know if Jimmy will or won't be better with the Raiders; either individually or as a part of the team. What I do know is some of us will be rooting for him to do well, and others of us will be rooting for him to fail. Again, for anyone in the latter group, I simply don't understand why one would waste that kind of time and mental space to root for negative outcomes. That is precisely where the word "hater" comes from.
Why is there always an assumption baked into your responses that I hate Jimmy?
I've always hated the webzone's logic and the hypocrisy over the players themselves. I don't see how it's reasonable at all to hate players on a team you root for or to hate players that just left that team. I also don't understand how anyone can't see how much support Jimmy has had from this fanbase. I'm not on Twitter so I can't speak to the climate on there. But Jimmy has a ton of supporters on this forum. Most wouldn't have traded him for 3 first rounds picks last season which is the poll you created.
I literally said in my post that Jimmy's a good QB. He is. And my hypothetical outcome for his first season with the Raiders was that he performed better individually than he did last year. So because I mentioned Adams and McDaniels, you assume I'm going to use them as an excuse? What kind of reasoning is that? I was describing why I think he will do well. Every QB minus Patrick Mahomes needs pieces to perform at a high level. If I'm wrong so be it, I'm not afraid to be wrong. To suggest I'm rooting for his failure is beyond stupid.
My post was targeting the people who used Jimmy's record as the trump card in any Jimmy debate. I saw a couple analysts on espn use that as one of their main arguments for years, and you saw it used on this forum all the time. I mean… isn't "Jimmy throws touchdowns and wins games " one of the most common posts you see in this thread? Albeit, from one poster. The point remains. It's common to see that being brought up to combat some of the counter arguments about his individual production. It's a very simplistic argument that deserves criticism, especially if the goal is to accurately describe Jimmy as a player.
I really don't care about you paying up on the bet. The point I was making then, is the same point I'm making now. You called me a hater for thinking Jimmy wasn't worth roughly a first round pick last offseason. What does that say about you, if someone you consider so biased against Jimmy, easily wins a bet about his trade value? Maybe, just maybe, you should stop projecting your own bias and insecurities onto other posters.
