How many games will the Chiefs win PYMWYMI

Easy guys.... No need for personal attacks. Thanks.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

I didn't say he was amazing. I just don't see the reason to downgrade his ability to reason why Alex isn't throwing to him. "He has given Alex reasons..." is another off the wall comment.

Alex is praised for his safe play that helps out the defense and ball control but Bowe is condemned for Alex's same safe play? Pick a side. You can't be proud of a QB for going with shorter targets because they are safer targets and more efficient but then underappreciated a WR who isn't being targeted on the deep ball which is a low percentage plays.

So what are we even bothering to converse about? Who is condemning Bowe? What's yer deal?

Originally posted by Joecool:
Do you guys realize what you are saying about Bowe?

McG: "Bowe can be all these things, he is good, just not special." Bowe's past stats have shown he is a top 10 NFL WR. He has ALREADY shown he is a legit target.

Dark Night: Mario Manningham? Really, you are comparing Bowe to a guy who has never surpassed 1000 yards and never caught more than 60 balls? I am talking about a receiver who is THE primary focus of a secondary. Mario was never this. He benefitted from Toomer or Nicks.

dj: "They threw it up in the desperate hope of a completion." So, the opponent is in prevent and Bowe is going up against 2 defenders at the minimum and he has still put up top 10 numbers yet Alex isn't throwing to him because he isn't as good as advertised?


You guys have brought up things that actually MAKE Bowe a legit deep target. Let's see, he is accustomed to making catches deep vs double teams per dj. McGibblets said Alex spreads the ball and will throw the higher percentage which directly relates to Bowe not having top numbers yet it is actually because he's not good? And he can be a top receiver but doesn't realize Bowe has already proven he IS a top receiver. Another is a comparison to a complimentary receiver who's stats don't even compare?


Look fellas, it is a good thing for KC that Alex is a QB who prefers the shorter routes. That is a GOOD thing. But it doesn't mean Bowe is lazy or not a top level receiver. Why? Because he has proven he is. Why is it that all other positions are not good enough for why their numbers are not top tier type of numbers? Could it possibly have anything to do with the style of the QB?

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Okay Joe... you win, if it makes you happy. Bowe is amazing, and his QB is failing him horribly!

We all happy now?

In truth though, and if you were really watching these games? You would see that Bowe has not been special.. has not been making the tough catches as much as a #1 should. He is a good WR, but plenty of times, he has given Alex reasons to not make throwing to him such an effort.

So we can really just per usual, agree to disagree and move on.

this seems like a conversation the last few years re crabtree--whose better joe, crabtree or bowe?
i have watched bowe alot since smith went to kc...i think crabtree is better---i recall one play vs texans where bowe was open downfield, the pass was behind him a bit but catchable...bowe caught it and had alot of clear field ahead of him, but couldnt keep his feet and went down

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Do you guys realize what you are saying about Bowe?

McG: "Bowe can be all these things, he is good, just not special." Bowe's past stats have shown he is a top 10 NFL WR. He has ALREADY shown he is a legit target.

Dark Night: Mario Manningham? Really, you are comparing Bowe to a guy who has never surpassed 1000 yards and never caught more than 60 balls? I am talking about a receiver who is THE primary focus of a secondary. Mario was never this. He benefitted from Toomer or Nicks.

dj: "They threw it up in the desperate hope of a completion." So, the opponent is in prevent and Bowe is going up against 2 defenders at the minimum and he has still put up top 10 numbers yet Alex isn't throwing to him because he isn't as good as advertised?


You guys have brought up things that actually MAKE Bowe a legit deep target. Let's see, he is accustomed to making catches deep vs double teams per dj. McGibblets said Alex spreads the ball and will throw the higher percentage which directly relates to Bowe not having top numbers yet it is actually because he's not good? And he can be a top receiver but doesn't realize Bowe has already proven he IS a top receiver. Another is a comparison to a complimentary receiver who's stats don't even compare?


Look fellas, it is a good thing for KC that Alex is a QB who prefers the shorter routes. That is a GOOD thing. But it doesn't mean Bowe is lazy or not a top level receiver. Why? Because he has proven he is. Why is it that all other positions are not good enough for why their numbers are not top tier type of numbers? Could it possibly have anything to do with the style of the QB?

nice post JC

Oh, look Joe. You found a friend.

im sure they have a mutual interest--what could it be?

Keep winning KC! We need that 2nd round pick

Originally posted by hofer36:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Do you guys realize what you are saying about Bowe?

McG: "Bowe can be all these things, he is good, just not special." Bowe's past stats have shown he is a top 10 NFL WR. He has ALREADY shown he is a legit target.

Dark Night: Mario Manningham? Really, you are comparing Bowe to a guy who has never surpassed 1000 yards and never caught more than 60 balls? I am talking about a receiver who is THE primary focus of a secondary. Mario was never this. He benefitted from Toomer or Nicks.

dj: "They threw it up in the desperate hope of a completion." So, the opponent is in prevent and Bowe is going up against 2 defenders at the minimum and he has still put up top 10 numbers yet Alex isn't throwing to him because he isn't as good as advertised?


You guys have brought up things that actually MAKE Bowe a legit deep target. Let's see, he is accustomed to making catches deep vs double teams per dj. McGibblets said Alex spreads the ball and will throw the higher percentage which directly relates to Bowe not having top numbers yet it is actually because he's not good? And he can be a top receiver but doesn't realize Bowe has already proven he IS a top receiver. Another is a comparison to a complimentary receiver who's stats don't even compare?


Look fellas, it is a good thing for KC that Alex is a QB who prefers the shorter routes. That is a GOOD thing. But it doesn't mean Bowe is lazy or not a top level receiver. Why? Because he has proven he is. Why is it that all other positions are not good enough for why their numbers are not top tier type of numbers? Could it possibly have anything to do with the style of the QB?

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Okay Joe... you win, if it makes you happy. Bowe is amazing, and his QB is failing him horribly!

We all happy now?

In truth though, and if you were really watching these games? You would see that Bowe has not been special.. has not been making the tough catches as much as a #1 should. He is a good WR, but plenty of times, he has given Alex reasons to not make throwing to him such an effort.

So we can really just per usual, agree to disagree and move on.

this seems like a conversation the last few years re crabtree--whose better joe, crabtree or bowe?
i have watched bowe alot since smith went to kc...i think crabtree is better---i recall one play vs texans where bowe was open downfield, the pass was behind him a bit but catchable...bowe caught it and had alot of clear field ahead of him, but couldnt keep his feet and went down

I think Bowe is better because he can be effective on more parts of the field. Look at how reliable Crabs became when he had a QB who wasn't afraid to throw to him (Kap) when the coverage was tight. Bowe has been putting up better numbers under worse conditions. Once he gets a QB who isn't afraid to throw those types of balls and his targeted increases to 170, Bowe would easily be a top 5 receiver.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Keep winning KC! We need that 2nd round pick

They need to lose. Our 2nd round pick is going to be really late. They could limp their way to 1 more win. We need some losses here now.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I think Bowe is better because he can be effective on more parts of the field. Look at how reliable Crabs became when he had a QB who wasn't afraid to throw to him (Kap) when the coverage was tight. Bowe has been putting up better numbers under worse conditions. Once he gets a QB who isn't afraid to throw those types of balls and his targeted increases to 170, Bowe would easily be a top 5 receiver.

This was more about Kaep being young and OVERLY reliant on Crabtree... to the point of forcing passes his way. Aside from that, it was at the expense of Vernon Davis.. whose numbers and targets took quite a hit when Kaep came in.

Let's not play this game anymore... it's SO old and done with.

impressive win against a 3rd string QB.

Originally posted by Dino:
impressive win against a 3rd string QB.

Too bad they didn't have Schaub to throw them a pick six out of the gate.

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by Joecool:

I think Bowe is better because he can be effective on more parts of the field. Look at how reliable Crabs became when he had a QB who wasn't afraid to throw to him (Kap) when the coverage was tight. Bowe has been putting up better numbers under worse conditions. Once he gets a QB who isn't afraid to throw those types of balls and his targeted increases to 170, Bowe would easily be a top 5 receiver.

This was more about Kaep being young and OVERLY reliant on Crabtree... to the point of forcing passes his way. Aside from that, it was at the expense of Vernon Davis.. whose numbers and targets took quite a hit when Kaep came in.

Let's not play this game anymore... it's SO old and done with.

And didn't Crabs come through for Kap? But I thought Crabs wasn't a dependable WR before all that. Now let's get back to Bowe. So, how do you know Bowe can't come through if Alex must rely on him and force some throws? For some reason, it is Bowes lack of something that is keeping him from being an offensive force he he has already proven he can be that guy in past years? But it must have very little to do with the fact that Alex will go with a safer throw over sending a tougher, deeper throw in Bowes direction right? Your reasoning is because Bowe hasn't shown enough which is false because you are looking for a reason why his numbers are lower but do not want to admit that Smiths style is more about depending on certain areas of the field over others.

This isn't a bad thing about Alex. But, it isn't a great thing either. Had already predicted Bowes numbers will drop this year due to the style of play of his QB. It is okay to accept rthat QBs have specific styles and that a QB cannot or will not do everything and has comfort areas.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I think Bowe is better because he can be effective on more parts of the field. Look at how reliable Crabs became when he had a QB who wasn't afraid to throw to him (Kap) when the coverage was tight. Bowe has been putting up better numbers under worse conditions. Once he gets a QB who isn't afraid to throw those types of balls and his targeted increases to 170, Bowe would easily be a top 5 receiver.

This was more about Kaep being young and OVERLY reliant on Crabtree... to the point of forcing passes his way. Aside from that, it was at the expense of Vernon Davis.. whose numbers and targets took quite a hit when Kaep came in.

Let's not play this game anymore... it's SO old and done with.

And didn't Crabs come through for Kap? But I thought Crabs wasn't a dependable WR before all that. Now let's get back to Bowe. So, how do you know Bowe can't come through if Alex must rely on him and force some throws? For some reason, it is Bowes lack of something that is keeping him from being an offensive force he he has already proven he can be that guy in past years? But it must have very little to do with the fact that Alex will go with a safer throw over sending a tougher, deeper throw in Bowes direction right? Your reasoning is because Bowe hasn't shown enough which is false because you are looking for a reason why his numbers are lower but do not want to admit that Smiths style is more about depending on certain areas of the field over others.

This isn't a bad thing about Alex. But, it isn't a great thing either. Had already predicted Bowes numbers will drop this year due to the style of play of his QB. It is okay to accept rthat QBs have specific styles and that a QB cannot or will not do everything and has comfort areas.

I agree with JC...

just like Green Bay wont be looked at as good running team since they pass all the time..it just their style

Originally posted by Joecool:
And didn't Crabs come through for Kap? But I thought Crabs wasn't a dependable WR before all that. Now let's get back to Bowe. So, how do you know Bowe can't come through if Alex must rely on him and force some throws? For some reason, it is Bowes lack of something that is keeping him from being an offensive force he he has already proven he can be that guy in past years? But it must have very little to do with the fact that Alex will go with a safer throw over sending a tougher, deeper throw in Bowes direction right? Your reasoning is because Bowe hasn't shown enough which is false because you are looking for a reason why his numbers are lower but do not want to admit that Smiths style is more about depending on certain areas of the field over others.

This isn't a bad thing about Alex. But, it isn't a great thing either. Had already predicted Bowes numbers will drop this year due to the style of play of his QB. It is okay to accept rthat QBs have specific styles and that a QB cannot or will not do everything and has comfort areas.

Dude... the strawman doesn't really work for me here. What I said was that so far and on numerous plays, Alex HAS thrown to a tightly covered Bowe.. and that Bowe has either dropped quite a few or they were nicely knocked away from Bowe by a DB. Some strong WRs cling onto these passes better than what Bowe has shown lately. There are also quite a few routes that Bowe has been lazy and less than sharp on... these have led to incomplete passes and in one case, an INT.

Bowe IS a very capable WR... but there have been more times than expected that he has been lazy or ineffective for what he is being paid to do.

These are not attacks on Bowe.. they are fair criticisms that he is capable of better. I hope this finally can conclude this whole conversation.

Originally posted by Joecool:
And didn't Crabs come through for Kap? But I thought Crabs wasn't a dependable WR before all that.

... and is this being deliberately obtuse? As a 49ers fan, you must know that prior to 2011, Crabtree was a mess. VD even had to jump all over him about his efforts and attitude. He was unprepared, M.I.A., and not the Crabtree that he evolved into in 2011 and even more so in 2012 ... and yes, even prior to the QB change.

2 trap games this week. Niners vs Jags. KC vs Browns. There's really no excuse for either Niners or KC to not win.