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The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!
There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!
This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.
Tom Brady is the man
Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!
Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man
Bitter no, just stating facts.
If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.
maybe you should look up the definition of "facts"
The definition of "facts": A thing done.
You are right though, they were never convicted of filming practices, any evidence was destroyed buy the comish. On the the other hand the did cheat, that is fact.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
"Belichick, however, accepted full responsibility "for the actions""
It funny how even Bill Belichick can except the "facts", but you guys cant.
I know the Pats are a very good team, and its not that I don't like the Pats I just don't like cheaters.
And it's funny how you fail to acknowledge my response to you. Is it that you can't accept those facts ? Did they really lose their last SB because they could not cheat the Giants ? Seems the SB wins and one loss under BB have all been extremely close games, so was the cheating REALLY the difference in those SB wins ? That's a question that will never be answered so it is all speculation that they won because they cheated. There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments their oppents were making in those SB wins, and like him or not Tom Brady did a fantastic job of leading his team when it mattered most to put them in a position to have a chance at winning.
I didn't acknowledge that because it makes no sense,
Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.
When you say " That's a question that will never be answered", you are right. The comish destroyed all evidence. Now let me ask you, why would he do this if there was no other offenses? Does it not seem more plausible that the Comish was covering his and the NFL's a$$ by making sure no one would ever find out that a supposed dynasty won because they cheated. If that got out it would tarnish the entire NFL's image.
"There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments" lol this just shows how much you actually know about football. Adjustment are often signaled from the side line. This is what the Patriots were caught filming!!!!
Also I never bashed Brady, just people that are all over his jock. The fact is when Brady went down, a back up won 11 games. So is Brady really as great of a QB as some people think. Are the patriots a very good team, yes. But they are overrated as a dynasty, when it is a fact that they cheated.
Just got back from Toms house, and yeah he is still the Man
Dude seriously right before this happened and got leaked the commish sent out a memo to all the teams about video taping illegally, so they were aware that teams were doing this not just the patriots, the patriots just happened to get caught publicly
LOL I love the excuse, "well, everybody ells was doing it". Sounds like the reasoning of a 5th grader. Although you may find it hard to believe, some people and teams understand the meaning of right and wrong and have enough respect for the game to not cheat.
And just because the comish sent out a memo doesn't mean that anybody ells was doing it, thats just standard procedure in most corporate run business's.
Im not saying that what they did was okay, obviously they cheated, some other teams probably cheated as well probably not all of them, we will never know, and if you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices, than i dont know what to tell you.
"you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices,"
Did I ever say that?
Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.
No one can say for sure that they would have won had they filmed the Giants. That's speculation period. Obviously your taking a lot away from the Giants team that year and you've already decided what would have happened had they been able to even though there is no way to ever truly know. Believe what you will but if you can't prove it then it doesn't mean it's necessarily true.
Adjustments aren't just signals from the sideline. Adjustments are also made on the sidelines, during halftime as to how your going to attack or defend your opponents and by the HC, OC or DC in their playcalling depending on how your opponent is reacting to what you are doing and trying to do so I guess you are the one that does not know much about football.
Said backup you are referring to netted a 2nd round pick, and if you watched him play he got better as the season wore on (and there were moments in his first few games as starter that he looked rough). He also spent 3 seasons behind Tom Brady being groomed by one of the best coaching staffs in the league, but obviously you don't want to acknowledge that just like you choose not to acknowledge how good of a QB Brady truly is. Brady has been solid despite whatever WR's he has had (how good were David Givens and Deion Branch once they left the Pats ? And yes I am aware that Givens suffered a serious injury in Tennessee however int he few games he played he caught very few passes).
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Although you may find it hard to believe, some people and teams understand the meaning of right and wrong and have enough respect for the game to not cheat.
And just because the comish sent out a memo doesn't mean that anybody ells was doing it, thats just standard procedure in most corporate run business's.
And we will probably never know if and how many other teams possibly did tape other teams, Maybe everyone else wasn't doing it however MAYBE THEY WERE. With no way of knowing either or can be right but it's obvious you choose to believe that most if not all other teams were not doing it.
You can personally take away all the credit you want from BB but at the end of the day he is still a brilliant football mind and you can never take that from him.
