The most overrated team in the NFL

Originally posted by Apples:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Begs to differ:

So a guy holding up three fingers changes the fact that there coach illegally filmed other teams?

Originally posted by valrod33:
Cowboys, havent won in the playoffs since the late 90s

The Cardinals are way overrated. If there was 18 games in a season they wouldn't have even made the playoffs. They have major turmoil in the locker room. Between Edge and Boldin who want out and now they have 2 new coordinators. They got lucky lat year, but mark my words they will be fighting for the last spot with the Rams in the NFC West next season.

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Tom Brady is the man

Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!

Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man

Bitter no, just stating facts.

If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.

1- Was that comment really worth it ? That's gonna cost you 25% I bet.

2- The SB loss to the Giants had nothing to do with not being able to cheat. The Giants were outstanding in the post season and Eli took his game to a whole new level. They already had a great defense and as we all know "any given Sunday". The Pats simply were beaten by a team that relied heavily on it's solid defense and that were on fire going into the SB.

3- Without Tom Brady, BB still managed to win 11 games last year.

4- Without Scott Pioli, on paper the Pats had another good draft.

haha, when you say Eli took his game to a whole new level, you mean he's figured out how to become an average qb finally! I'm sorry he will never be as good as his dad or half as good as his brother. kid won the superbowl alright why watching brady eat dirt.

What do Peyton & Archie Manning have to do with this ? And FWIW Eli is above average whether you choose to see that or not.

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Tom Brady is the man

Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!

Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man

Bitter no, just stating facts.

If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.

maybe you should look up the definition of "facts"

The definition of "facts": A thing done.

You are right though, they were never convicted of filming practices, any evidence was destroyed buy the comish. On the the other hand the did cheat, that is fact.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
"Belichick, however, accepted full responsibility "for the actions""

It funny how even Bill Belichick can except the "facts", but you guys cant.

I know the Pats are a very good team, and its not that I don't like the Pats I just don't like cheaters.

And it's funny how you fail to acknowledge my response to you. Is it that you can't accept those facts ? Did they really lose their last SB because they could not cheat the Giants ? Seems the SB wins and one loss under BB have all been extremely close games, so was the cheating REALLY the difference in those SB wins ? That's a question that will never be answered so it is all speculation that they won because they cheated. There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments their oppents were making in those SB wins, and like him or not Tom Brady did a fantastic job of leading his team when it mattered most to put them in a position to have a chance at winning.

I hope (for our sake) its the Panthers.

Originally posted by adrenaline:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Cowboys, havent won in the playoffs since the late 90s

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Tom Brady is the man

Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!

Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man

Bitter no, just stating facts.

If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.

maybe you should look up the definition of "facts"

The definition of "facts": A thing done.

You are right though, they were never convicted of filming practices, any evidence was destroyed buy the comish. On the the other hand the did cheat, that is fact.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
"Belichick, however, accepted full responsibility "for the actions""

It funny how even Bill Belichick can except the "facts", but you guys cant.

I know the Pats are a very good team, and its not that I don't like the Pats I just don't like cheaters.

And it's funny how you fail to acknowledge my response to you. Is it that you can't accept those facts ? Did they really lose their last SB because they could not cheat the Giants ? Seems the SB wins and one loss under BB have all been extremely close games, so was the cheating REALLY the difference in those SB wins ? That's a question that will never be answered so it is all speculation that they won because they cheated. There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments their oppents were making in those SB wins, and like him or not Tom Brady did a fantastic job of leading his team when it mattered most to put them in a position to have a chance at winning.

I didn't acknowledge that because it makes no sense,

Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.

When you say " That's a question that will never be answered", you are right. The comish destroyed all evidence. Now let me ask you, why would he do this if there was no other offenses? Does it not seem more plausible that the Comish was covering his and the NFL's a$$ by making sure no one would ever find out that a supposed dynasty won because they cheated. If that got out it would tarnish the entire NFL's image.

"There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments" lol this just shows how much you actually know about football. Adjustment are often signaled from the side line. This is what the Patriots were caught filming!!!!

Also I never bashed Brady, just people that are all over his jock. The fact is when Brady went down, a back up won 11 games. So is Brady really as great of a QB as some people think. Are the patriots a very good team, yes. But they are overrated as a dynasty, when it is a fact that they cheated.

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Tom Brady is the man

Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!

Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man

Bitter no, just stating facts.

If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.

maybe you should look up the definition of "facts"

The definition of "facts": A thing done.

You are right though, they were never convicted of filming practices, any evidence was destroyed buy the comish. On the the other hand the did cheat, that is fact.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
"Belichick, however, accepted full responsibility "for the actions""

It funny how even Bill Belichick can except the "facts", but you guys cant.

I know the Pats are a very good team, and its not that I don't like the Pats I just don't like cheaters.

And it's funny how you fail to acknowledge my response to you. Is it that you can't accept those facts ? Did they really lose their last SB because they could not cheat the Giants ? Seems the SB wins and one loss under BB have all been extremely close games, so was the cheating REALLY the difference in those SB wins ? That's a question that will never be answered so it is all speculation that they won because they cheated. There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments their oppents were making in those SB wins, and like him or not Tom Brady did a fantastic job of leading his team when it mattered most to put them in a position to have a chance at winning.

I didn't acknowledge that because it makes no sense,

Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.

When you say " That's a question that will never be answered", you are right. The comish destroyed all evidence. Now let me ask you, why would he do this if there was no other offenses? Does it not seem more plausible that the Comish was covering his and the NFL's a$$ by making sure no one would ever find out that a supposed dynasty won because they cheated. If that got out it would tarnish the entire NFL's image.

"There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments" lol this just shows how much you actually know about football. Adjustment are often signaled from the side line. This is what the Patriots were caught filming!!!!

Also I never bashed Brady, just people that are all over his jock. The fact is when Brady went down, a back up won 11 games. So is Brady really as great of a QB as some people think. Are the patriots a very good team, yes. But they are overrated as a dynasty, when it is a fact that they cheated.

Just got back from Toms house, and yeah he is still the Man

Dude seriously right before this happened and got leaked the commish sent out a memo to all the teams about video taping illegally, so they were aware that teams were doing this not just the patriots, the patriots just happened to get caught publicly

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Tom Brady is the man

Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!

Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man

Bitter no, just stating facts.

If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.

maybe you should look up the definition of "facts"

The definition of "facts": A thing done.

You are right though, they were never convicted of filming practices, any evidence was destroyed buy the comish. On the the other hand the did cheat, that is fact.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
"Belichick, however, accepted full responsibility "for the actions""

It funny how even Bill Belichick can except the "facts", but you guys cant.

I know the Pats are a very good team, and its not that I don't like the Pats I just don't like cheaters.

And it's funny how you fail to acknowledge my response to you. Is it that you can't accept those facts ? Did they really lose their last SB because they could not cheat the Giants ? Seems the SB wins and one loss under BB have all been extremely close games, so was the cheating REALLY the difference in those SB wins ? That's a question that will never be answered so it is all speculation that they won because they cheated. There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments their oppents were making in those SB wins, and like him or not Tom Brady did a fantastic job of leading his team when it mattered most to put them in a position to have a chance at winning.

I didn't acknowledge that because it makes no sense,

Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.

When you say " That's a question that will never be answered", you are right. The comish destroyed all evidence. Now let me ask you, why would he do this if there was no other offenses? Does it not seem more plausible that the Comish was covering his and the NFL's a$$ by making sure no one would ever find out that a supposed dynasty won because they cheated. If that got out it would tarnish the entire NFL's image.

"There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments" lol this just shows how much you actually know about football. Adjustment are often signaled from the side line. This is what the Patriots were caught filming!!!!

Also I never bashed Brady, just people that are all over his jock. The fact is when Brady went down, a back up won 11 games. So is Brady really as great of a QB as some people think. Are the patriots a very good team, yes. But they are overrated as a dynasty, when it is a fact that they cheated.

Just got back from Toms house, and yeah he is still the Man

Dude seriously right before this happened and got leaked the commish sent out a memo to all the teams about video taping illegally, so they were aware that teams were doing this not just the patriots, the patriots just happened to get caught publicly

LOL I love the excuse, "well, everybody ells was doing it". Sounds like the reasoning of a 5th grader. Although you may find it hard to believe, some people and teams understand the meaning of right and wrong and have enough respect for the game to not cheat.

And just because the comish sent out a memo doesn't mean that anybody ells was doing it, thats just standard procedure in most corporate run business's.

Lastly, yes Tom Brady is the man, check out his wife. But is he as great of a QB as you and other give him credit for, no. A back up won 11 games,it is the team around him, and there coach that will do anything it takes to win, including cheat.

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Tom Brady is the man

Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!

Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man

Bitter no, just stating facts.

If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.

maybe you should look up the definition of "facts"

The definition of "facts": A thing done.

You are right though, they were never convicted of filming practices, any evidence was destroyed buy the comish. On the the other hand the did cheat, that is fact.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
"Belichick, however, accepted full responsibility "for the actions""

It funny how even Bill Belichick can except the "facts", but you guys cant.

I know the Pats are a very good team, and its not that I don't like the Pats I just don't like cheaters.

And it's funny how you fail to acknowledge my response to you. Is it that you can't accept those facts ? Did they really lose their last SB because they could not cheat the Giants ? Seems the SB wins and one loss under BB have all been extremely close games, so was the cheating REALLY the difference in those SB wins ? That's a question that will never be answered so it is all speculation that they won because they cheated. There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments their oppents were making in those SB wins, and like him or not Tom Brady did a fantastic job of leading his team when it mattered most to put them in a position to have a chance at winning.

I didn't acknowledge that because it makes no sense,

Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.

When you say " That's a question that will never be answered", you are right. The comish destroyed all evidence. Now let me ask you, why would he do this if there was no other offenses? Does it not seem more plausible that the Comish was covering his and the NFL's a$$ by making sure no one would ever find out that a supposed dynasty won because they cheated. If that got out it would tarnish the entire NFL's image.

"There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments" lol this just shows how much you actually know about football. Adjustment are often signaled from the side line. This is what the Patriots were caught filming!!!!

Also I never bashed Brady, just people that are all over his jock. The fact is when Brady went down, a back up won 11 games. So is Brady really as great of a QB as some people think. Are the patriots a very good team, yes. But they are overrated as a dynasty, when it is a fact that they cheated.

Just got back from Toms house, and yeah he is still the Man

Dude seriously right before this happened and got leaked the commish sent out a memo to all the teams about video taping illegally, so they were aware that teams were doing this not just the patriots, the patriots just happened to get caught publicly

LOL I love the excuse, "well, everybody ells was doing it". Sounds like the reasoning of a 5th grader. Although you may find it hard to believe, some people and teams understand the meaning of right and wrong and have enough respect for the game to not cheat.

And just because the comish sent out a memo doesn't mean that anybody ells was doing it, thats just standard procedure in most corporate run business's.

Im not saying that what they did was okay, obviously they cheated, some other teams probably cheated as well probably not all of them, we will never know, and if you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices, than i dont know what to tell you.

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Tom Brady is the man

Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!

Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man

Bitter no, just stating facts.

If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.

maybe you should look up the definition of "facts"

The definition of "facts": A thing done.

You are right though, they were never convicted of filming practices, any evidence was destroyed buy the comish. On the the other hand the did cheat, that is fact.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
"Belichick, however, accepted full responsibility "for the actions""

It funny how even Bill Belichick can except the "facts", but you guys cant.

I know the Pats are a very good team, and its not that I don't like the Pats I just don't like cheaters.

And it's funny how you fail to acknowledge my response to you. Is it that you can't accept those facts ? Did they really lose their last SB because they could not cheat the Giants ? Seems the SB wins and one loss under BB have all been extremely close games, so was the cheating REALLY the difference in those SB wins ? That's a question that will never be answered so it is all speculation that they won because they cheated. There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments their oppents were making in those SB wins, and like him or not Tom Brady did a fantastic job of leading his team when it mattered most to put them in a position to have a chance at winning.

I didn't acknowledge that because it makes no sense,

Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.

When you say " That's a question that will never be answered", you are right. The comish destroyed all evidence. Now let me ask you, why would he do this if there was no other offenses? Does it not seem more plausible that the Comish was covering his and the NFL's a$$ by making sure no one would ever find out that a supposed dynasty won because they cheated. If that got out it would tarnish the entire NFL's image.

"There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments" lol this just shows how much you actually know about football. Adjustment are often signaled from the side line. This is what the Patriots were caught filming!!!!

Also I never bashed Brady, just people that are all over his jock. The fact is when Brady went down, a back up won 11 games. So is Brady really as great of a QB as some people think. Are the patriots a very good team, yes. But they are overrated as a dynasty, when it is a fact that they cheated.

Just got back from Toms house, and yeah he is still the Man

Dude seriously right before this happened and got leaked the commish sent out a memo to all the teams about video taping illegally, so they were aware that teams were doing this not just the patriots, the patriots just happened to get caught publicly

LOL I love the excuse, "well, everybody ells was doing it". Sounds like the reasoning of a 5th grader. Although you may find it hard to believe, some people and teams understand the meaning of right and wrong and have enough respect for the game to not cheat.

And just because the comish sent out a memo doesn't mean that anybody ells was doing it, thats just standard procedure in most corporate run business's.

Im not saying that what they did was okay, obviously they cheated, some other teams probably cheated as well probably not all of them, we will never know, and if you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices, than i dont know what to tell you.

"you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices,"

Did I ever say that?

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Tom Brady is the man

Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!

Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man

Bitter no, just stating facts.

If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.

maybe you should look up the definition of "facts"

The definition of "facts": A thing done.

You are right though, they were never convicted of filming practices, any evidence was destroyed buy the comish. On the the other hand the did cheat, that is fact.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
"Belichick, however, accepted full responsibility "for the actions""

It funny how even Bill Belichick can except the "facts", but you guys cant.

I know the Pats are a very good team, and its not that I don't like the Pats I just don't like cheaters.

And it's funny how you fail to acknowledge my response to you. Is it that you can't accept those facts ? Did they really lose their last SB because they could not cheat the Giants ? Seems the SB wins and one loss under BB have all been extremely close games, so was the cheating REALLY the difference in those SB wins ? That's a question that will never be answered so it is all speculation that they won because they cheated. There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments their oppents were making in those SB wins, and like him or not Tom Brady did a fantastic job of leading his team when it mattered most to put them in a position to have a chance at winning.

I didn't acknowledge that because it makes no sense,

Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.

When you say " That's a question that will never be answered", you are right. The comish destroyed all evidence. Now let me ask you, why would he do this if there was no other offenses? Does it not seem more plausible that the Comish was covering his and the NFL's a$$ by making sure no one would ever find out that a supposed dynasty won because they cheated. If that got out it would tarnish the entire NFL's image.

"There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments" lol this just shows how much you actually know about football. Adjustment are often signaled from the side line. This is what the Patriots were caught filming!!!!

Also I never bashed Brady, just people that are all over his jock. The fact is when Brady went down, a back up won 11 games. So is Brady really as great of a QB as some people think. Are the patriots a very good team, yes. But they are overrated as a dynasty, when it is a fact that they cheated.

Just got back from Toms house, and yeah he is still the Man

Dude seriously right before this happened and got leaked the commish sent out a memo to all the teams about video taping illegally, so they were aware that teams were doing this not just the patriots, the patriots just happened to get caught publicly

LOL I love the excuse, "well, everybody ells was doing it". Sounds like the reasoning of a 5th grader. Although you may find it hard to believe, some people and teams understand the meaning of right and wrong and have enough respect for the game to not cheat.

And just because the comish sent out a memo doesn't mean that anybody ells was doing it, thats just standard procedure in most corporate run business's.

Im not saying that what they did was okay, obviously they cheated, some other teams probably cheated as well probably not all of them, we will never know, and if you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices, than i dont know what to tell you.

"you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices,"

Did I ever say that?

"Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls."

Yes you did

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 49er4life:
The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!

There coach is a proven cheater, a fact that had a direct affect on them winning the Super Bowl several times. When he was not able to cheat, they lost!

This combined with the spotty investigation and presumed cover up to make sure the NFL didn't come out looking bad, puts the Patriots on a short list of sports all time biggest cheaters and of course makes them entirely over rated.

Tom Brady is the man

Yea it helps when your coach has illegally filmed your opponents practices, gaining valuable insight on defensive formations, audible, personnel packages, strategy's, and oh yea there play's!

Someone is a little bitter, im sure other teams have done this, they jsut didnt get caught so get over it, Tom Brady is the man

Bitter no, just stating facts.

If you weren't to busy blowing Tom Brady you would know that.

maybe you should look up the definition of "facts"

The definition of "facts": A thing done.

You are right though, they were never convicted of filming practices, any evidence was destroyed buy the comish. On the the other hand the did cheat, that is fact.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
"Belichick, however, accepted full responsibility "for the actions""

It funny how even Bill Belichick can except the "facts", but you guys cant.

I know the Pats are a very good team, and its not that I don't like the Pats I just don't like cheaters.

And it's funny how you fail to acknowledge my response to you. Is it that you can't accept those facts ? Did they really lose their last SB because they could not cheat the Giants ? Seems the SB wins and one loss under BB have all been extremely close games, so was the cheating REALLY the difference in those SB wins ? That's a question that will never be answered so it is all speculation that they won because they cheated. There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments their oppents were making in those SB wins, and like him or not Tom Brady did a fantastic job of leading his team when it mattered most to put them in a position to have a chance at winning.

I didn't acknowledge that because it makes no sense,

Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.

When you say " That's a question that will never be answered", you are right. The comish destroyed all evidence. Now let me ask you, why would he do this if there was no other offenses? Does it not seem more plausible that the Comish was covering his and the NFL's a$$ by making sure no one would ever find out that a supposed dynasty won because they cheated. If that got out it would tarnish the entire NFL's image.

"There is no way that they could have cheated to figure out the adjustments" lol this just shows how much you actually know about football. Adjustment are often signaled from the side line. This is what the Patriots were caught filming!!!!

Also I never bashed Brady, just people that are all over his jock. The fact is when Brady went down, a back up won 11 games. So is Brady really as great of a QB as some people think. Are the patriots a very good team, yes. But they are overrated as a dynasty, when it is a fact that they cheated.

Just got back from Toms house, and yeah he is still the Man

Dude seriously right before this happened and got leaked the commish sent out a memo to all the teams about video taping illegally, so they were aware that teams were doing this not just the patriots, the patriots just happened to get caught publicly

LOL I love the excuse, "well, everybody ells was doing it". Sounds like the reasoning of a 5th grader. Although you may find it hard to believe, some people and teams understand the meaning of right and wrong and have enough respect for the game to not cheat.

And just because the comish sent out a memo doesn't mean that anybody ells was doing it, thats just standard procedure in most corporate run business's.

Im not saying that what they did was okay, obviously they cheated, some other teams probably cheated as well probably not all of them, we will never know, and if you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices, than i dont know what to tell you.

"you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices,"

Did I ever say that?

Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls.

How is "you think the patriots only won games because they videotaped some practices" even close to-

"Yes the patriots would have beat the Giants if they filmed the Giants signals! If they cheated they would have won... Just like in past close super bowls."

I stated that if the Patriots would have cheated they would have beat the Giants, just like in the there other close super bowl victory's. Not that every game the Patriots won is because they cheated. Big difference...


Why dont we agree to disagree on this topic, thanks for make my work day a little less boring!!!

The Pats and Steelers are just plain and simple great teams. They're not overrated.

Then there are the really good teams that are expected to probably make the playoffs and might make some noise there also like the Giants, Eagles, and Cowboys.

The Cowboys are the most overrated because they're talked about like one of the great teams, not the really good teams.

Other overrated teams:

Vikings
Saints
Cardinals
Jags

underrated teams:

Seahawks
Falcons
Dolphins
Packers